On Wed, 06 Jan 2016 00:03:31 +0100, Philipp Kern
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>On 2016-01-04 11:30, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:30:24 +0100, Eric Valette
>> wrote:
>>> System admins do like using absolute path
>>> for security reasons...
>> Please also notice tha
On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 14:48:56 -0800, Russ Allbery
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>Marc Haber writes:
>> Unfortunately, it's emotions that take vendor decisions. Your attitude
>> is driving big users towards the paid-for Enterprise Linuxes, be it
>> logical or not, be it good engineering or not
package?
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isions. Your attitude
is driving big users towards the paid-for Enterprise Linuxes, be it
logical or not, be it good engineering or not.
Do care about people, at least partially. Sound logic and technical
decisions are not always the right thing to do.
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>Do you mean overlayfs? If so can you or anyone vouch for its quality?
I am using Overlayfs for mini-buildd and sbuild systems, overlaying an
ext4fs with an tmpfs for build chroots.
Works like a charm, so far.
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>On 2016-01-04 12:03:07, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:15:18 +0100, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
>> >Anyway, if you think that the merged /usr scheme is about systemd then
>> >you are automa
On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 12:01:46 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt
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>Marc Haber writes:
>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 13:28:14 -0800, Russ Allbery
>> wrote:
>>>But I don't get why people who are using non-embedded UNIX systems
>>>particularly care.
>>
>> I,
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itization." We can't
>fix every wishlist bug. Is this one actually worth the effort?
So it is a wishlist bug to keep things as broken as they were always
been?
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t;with only the rootfs anymore.
And it is a disadvantage of a distributed project like Debian that we
have given up on this gradually without thinking about it.
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in
the past to find the root cause for any initramfs issues I had in the
past.
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But I have been wrong in the past, the last time when I said that the
wheezy => jessie update would be painful. It isn't.
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obably lead to a wave of
code refactoring upstream-side so that maintaining such patches will
be harder.
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t has /usr split
off? Will it just stop being bootable after upgrading?
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tter then accepting a historic
>decission"
>* "just because we can"
>* "others doing also"
Amen.
>In other words: I don't yet see a _good_ reason for "TheUsrMerge".
Seconded.
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merged
>/usr system.
Please consider keeping support for separate /usr as it is done today.
Mounting /usr in initrd is an acceptable workaround.
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fortunately, the "we're all volunteers"
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On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:47:33 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
>> I advocate doing things exactly the other way roud. Give package
>> maintainers the power!
>
>Why would merging ucf into dpkg remove the power from maintainers?
Nowa
On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 20:29:48 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
>> I am aware of that. That's one of my reasons for advocating giving the
>> needed love to ucf and to deprecate dpkg's conffile functions in favor
>> of ucf
enhanced ucf can replace dpkg with a lot less
work than would be necessary to bring dpkg's conffile handling into
the 2020ies decade.
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 23:10:11 +0100, Wouter Verhelst
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>On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 05:47:41PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Regarding dpkg, its conffile handling is IMO beyond repair, it should
>> be deprecated and later removed.
>
>Could you explain why?
- It does not give
ucf is already the right tool
to maintain systemd and friends the Debian way if the Debian packaging
team would be willing to.
Regarding dpkg, its conffile handling is IMO beyond repair, it should
be deprecated and later removed.
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On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:24:48 -0800, Nikolaus Rath
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>On Nov 11 2015, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Once and for all we're doing _SOMETHING_ right, let's keep it that
>> way.
>
>I think what Debian is doing right is that it tracks and notifies about
>changes in con
On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:58:13 +0100, Jean-Christophe Dubacq
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>[ ? 11/11/2015 18:14 ] [ ? Marc Haber ]
>> Once and for all we're doing _SOMETHING_ right, let's keep it that
>> way.
>I do not agree that we are doing something exactly right. I would like
>/etc to
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stems - but systemd used to
>modify, at least, kernel.sysrq in older systemd versions in this way.
I didn't know that and would have been severely surprised. But, alas,
it's empty on all my systems as well.
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:38:42 +, Ian Jackson
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>Anyway, that systemd.deb does it wrong, definitely doesn't mean that
>we should repeat the same mistake for other programs.
Agreed.
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:04:01 +0100, Alec Leamas
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>On 11/11/15 10:37, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:24:52 -0800, Josh Triplett
>> wrote:
>>> Vincent Danjean wrote:
>
>> I violently disagree. We have always done it the other way, and had
&
do not have systemd for long enough to see the fallout of this bad
setup.
>I would suggest that the problem here isn't moving defaults out of /etc
>into /usr, but rather the lack of widespread tools for managing that
>configuration. That's a fixable problem.
Why do we cause prob
ged to migrate console-log to a systemd unit, I
intend to drop daemon.
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guring the package
harder and non-intuitive.
Checking for a config file with at least one non-comment line in the
systemd-unit is ugly.
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[module-assistant]
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:24:54 +0200, Gianfranco Costamagna
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>Hi, confirmed: it is still there.
The Question is: Is it still supported?
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On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 21:14:13 +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf
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>On Wed, 2015-09-23 at 15:02 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Do we now require DKMS, which requires a fully-blown build system on
>> the target box? Wouldn't it be much better to be able to build a
>> virtualbox-
h requires a fully-blown build system on
the target box? Wouldn't it be much better to be able to build a
virtualbox-modules-$KERNELFLAVOUR.deb? What was so bad with
module-assistant?
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sni-qt is one of the big problems in the KDE transition since it needs
to be rewritten for Plasma 5. There is, to my knowledge, no way to
keep it while staying current with KDE in unstable and stretch.
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formed decision about whether to
>update immediately, or perhaps wait until they get to a cheaper network,
>or wait until after the important presentation they're about to give.
Amen.
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>Marc Haber wrote (30 Aug 2015 11:43:09 GMT) :
>> You reasoning again resembles what Microsoft says.
>
>I may be misunderstanding, but given what immediately follows ("I
>don't know whether [...]) it seems to
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 11:27:02 +0200, Michael Banck
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>On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 10:53:17AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Yes, Windows 10 has _exactly_ the same issue. I am astonished that we
>> managed to copy that epic fuckup in such a short time span.
>
>This is getting ri
even
if it's from the same ecosystem, to fix issues that were caused by a
terrible misfeature in your own software.
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what is g-s-d? gnome-software-?
>
>kibi@arya:~$ apt-file search /usr/bin/g*-s*-d*
>gnome-settings-daemon: /usr/bin/gnome-settings-daemon
Yes, that is easy to do when one knows what to search for.
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Yes, Windows 10 has _exactly_ the same issue. I am astonished that we
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"apt do anything as
you wish including bad things and non-interactively", which is an
unacceptable choice.
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be considered a snowflake once a person has been root on them.
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>Thank you, Mike.
Amen. Packaging Mozilla software surely is hard work just for its
obiquity, and the work is done just splendidly.
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mething I needed only last week. Having said that, I think that
>This looks like a job for systemd.
How do I have that functionality on Debian/kFreeBSD?
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> Description : tool to run a command as a daemon
Other than being alive upstream, does that have advantages over
daemon(1)?
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>are always ready to propose solutions.
Do you ever come without insults?
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ependency on the correct wget
version. Is that a problem?
btw, please read up on bug severities. I consider filing this bug as
"grave" quite short of being offensive.
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o depend on that
target/unit with one's own units, and they will of course be able to
call scripts.
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On Wed, 13 May 2015 17:16:07 +0200, Vincent Lefevre
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>On 2015-05-12 22:31:43 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 May 2015 17:08:33 +0200, Vincent Lefevre
>> wrote:
>> >On 2015-05-11 18:04:14 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> >> In IPv6, routers advertise
On Tue, 12 May 2015 17:08:33 +0200, Vincent Lefevre
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>On 2015-05-11 18:04:14 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> In IPv6, routers advertise prefixes. If a new prefix comes, end
>> systems configured for SLAAC will allocate an IP address in this
>> prefix and begin to use it.
&g
On Mon, 11 May 2015 22:37:40 +1000, Russell Stuart
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>On Mon, 2015-05-11 at 09:29 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> For example, it doesn't know dependencies between Interfaces, which is
>> rather common for a server jockey (consider a VLAN on a bridge which
>> is conn
On Mon, 11 May 2015 09:29:43 +0200, Marc Haber
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>On Mon, 11 May 2015 10:18:18 +1000, Russell Stuart
> wrote:
>>I get the distinct feeling some people posting here consider ifup/down
>>"old fashioned". Granted it doesn't have a nice GUI, but from the point
modify than ifupdown, which has a
_very_ flexible script interface.
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me change hasn't
happened in my professional career in more than ten years. Plugging
persistent network naming with -this- imminent danger destroys the
pro-faction's credibility.
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On Fri, 08 May 2015 21:54:11 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors
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>Marc Haber writes:
>> Btw, why the is the only way to configure this the kernel
>> command line and no configuration inside /etc where one would expect
>> it?
>
>Maybe because udev is started fro
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the port it is being plugged in.
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On Fri, 08 May 2015 15:11:06 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen
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>
>> That would mean changing local code to _both_ handle en* and eth*,
>> which is (a) a surprise and (b) unsatisfying in _my_ personal opinion.
>
>By en*, you mean emN, enN, pXpY all, righ
On Fri, 8 May 2015 12:40:39 +0200, Martin Pitt
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>I don't
>know whether it's possible to change the name while the interface is
>up and in use.
It isn't.
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nge should be (a) manually and (b) atomically?
It's fine with me to have net.ifnames=1 by default.
Btw, why the is the only way to configure this the kernel
command line and no configuration inside /etc where one would expect
it?
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>Marc Haber wrote:
>>I have tried this just last week and have found it kind of
>>unsatisfactory that it doesn't work in virtualized environments. For
>>example, in a KVM VM with virtio ethernet, the network dev
have found it kind of
unsatisfactory that it doesn't work in virtualized environments. For
example, in a KVM VM with virtio ethernet, the network devices still
end up in the system as eth0, eth1, eth2.
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>On May 04, Marc Haber wrote:
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>> >Too many releases, no more Plesk.
>> Is not having P(l)est really a bad thing?
>If you sell servers or hosting and want to have customers, then yes.
>(Also,
.
>> Can you give the detailed problem that happened to Fedora?
>Too many releases, no more Plesk.
Is not having P(l)est really a bad thing?
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>I'm thinking the scripts are the buggy ones.
So we should fix hundreds of packages for this instead of adding a
check in systemctl?
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:13:01 -0700, Russ Allbery
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>Marc Haber writes:
>> Thankfully, git is by far the best VCS on the market and the vast
>> majority of people seem to agree. But imagine the outcry if ten years
>> ago Sourceforge had said "our VCS is svn and
our VCS is svn and we don't support anything
else".
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"package". This is in dire need of clarification.
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>Do we really need to have two CLI package management tools installed, is
>this reasonable?
Aptitude is not only a CLI package management tool.
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tes are served from such setups. Yes, using Debian.
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taller is the
>right solution here; I don't think that it is. But I also don't think that
>the release freeze can reasonably be an argument against it.
Amen. With all the technical issues in systemd popping up just now, we
have frozen prematurely.
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>Marc Haber:
>> It's learning and understanding more than just a few bizarre new concepts.
>>
>I learned. I (think I) understand. But I do not think these fancy new
>concepts are bizarre at all. If anything, th
On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:09:19 +0100, Matthias Urlichs
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>Marc Haber:
>> Which significantly changes things in Jessie since the majory of
>> services is still started via the old rcX.d mechanism, and thus
>> starting to runlevels behaves completely different from
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 22:33:08 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt
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>Marc Haber writes:
>> A few hours of reasearch later (which could have been a few minutes if
>> just the community would have been a bit more helpful) it turned out
>> they were right: We start kdm via an i
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 23:49:58 +0100, Matthias Klumpp
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>I think he meant systemd, the PID 1 specifically here.
No.
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 12:28:19 -0800, Nikolaus Rath
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>Marc Haber writes:
>> On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:25:46 -0800, Nikolaus Rath
>> wrote:
>>> Would you stop using (random example) apache if it started shipping with
>>> some often-useful CGI scripts?
>&
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:55:42 +0100, Philipp Kern
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>On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 07:08:09PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>> And this facing a mostly hostile upstream and a Fedora-Centric
>> community.
>
>I have observed a mostly hostile Debian community in recent months. I'
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:30:01 +0100, Matthias Urlichs
wrote:
>Marc Haber:
>> Updating of such systems has always been a pain, but this time it's
>> going to be a gazillion times more painful.
>>
>Why? (Seriously.)
Because this time fixing those things is more than ju
hurting people.
Your way of communicating is hurting people as usual. Please stop.
Greetings
Marc
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