Re: fakeroot with chroot.

2003-04-10 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, http://people.debian.org/~dexter/fakeroot/ Have a good fun! Nice. Very nice. Will you put that into the official fakeroot? Why do you comment out the mount calls in debootstrap? Much nicer to just wrap the mount(2) syscall... -- Matthias

Re: Fakeroot to obsolete DESTDIR

2003-04-11 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 12:26:38 +, Wesley W. Terpstra wrote: What I propose to do is to slightly extend fakeroot to also intercept open/diropen. If the open call would create a file, redirect it to /.../debian/tmp or some such location. If the call would open a file, first check

Database-specificisms considered harmful

2003-04-11 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, * Package name: exim-mysql Personally, I do not like all those -mysql, -pgsql, -whatever packages. Whatever happened to the idea of using a common database access library like iODBC? It's reasonably small, Not A Burden if you happen to not require any database lookup features, and it

Re: curl, testing and gcc-3.2 (?) (was Re: Debian curl package depends on gcc-3.2?)

2003-04-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:56:48 +, Domenico Andreoli wrote: i don't really know where that gcc-3.2 is coming from. as you can see curl doesn't depend on it explicitly. If it is built with gcc-3.2 and it needs a symbol from libgcc-3.2, then the resulting package will depend on gcc-3.2. I

Re: Database-specificisms considered harmful

2003-04-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:42:07 +, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-04-11 14:34]: Whatever happened to the idea of using a common database access library like iODBC? It's reasonably small, Not A Burden if you happen to not require any database lookup

Re: curl, testing and gcc-3.2 (?) (was Re: Debian curl package depends on gcc-3.2?)

2003-04-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
-shlibdeps (what else??) thinks so. -- Matthias Urlichs|noris network AG|http://smurf.noris.de/ -- My dungeon cell decor will not feature exposed pipes. While they add to the gloomy atmosphere, they are good conductors of vibrations and a lot of prisoners know Morse code

Re: curl, testing and gcc-3.2 (?) (was Re: Debian curl package depends on gcc-3.2?)

2003-04-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, I'll go and check why dpkg-shlibdeps (what else??) thinks so. Well, it doesn't. Not on i386 and ppc, anyway. As aj wrote, though, apparently it does on arm. :-/ -- Matthias Urlichs|noris network AG|http://smurf.noris.de/ -- We learn from history that we learn nothing

Re: curl, testing and gcc-3.2 (?) (was Re: Debian curl package depends on gcc-3.2?)

2003-04-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Through the shlibdeps system. Probably, the libgcc and libc packages decided that on ARM they should have those versioned dependencies. The libcurl2 package needs not do anything by itself to pick them up. Note that the version shown is simply the current libgcc.so version.

Re: Why is only the latest unstable package considered for testing?

2003-04-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:54:06 +, Michael Banck wrote: Guess what people are trying to do. It's hunting season guys. It's bug-squashing *year*, OK? We can only release sarge if we start working on RC-bugs *NOW*, like asuffield does. Oh, I don't know, we could start by re-classifying

Re: Why is only the latest unstable package considered for testing?

2003-04-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:36:56 +, Samuli Suonpaa wrote: Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ straight to DELAYED/7-day ] Hmm. If I wanted to do something like that (not too sure yet) I'd have to go through a sponsor. That doesn't sound like a net reduction of work... No, you

New virtual package: festival-voice (bug#112565)

2003-04-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
The festival speech syntesizer needs at least one voice file. I'd like to use a virtual package named festival-voice so that people cannot install it without one, which is a problem (see the above bug). Policy requires discussing new virtual packages on d-d... -- Matthias

Re: Managing bug reports

2003-04-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:03:37 +, Jérôme Marant wrote: Err, it requires some non-free software, jre 1.4 that is. Too bad. Even worse, the blackdown people seem somewhat nonresponsive when people ask whether there's going to be a LinuxPPC port of 1.4 any time soon (or even at all). On

Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-25 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:13:08 +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: I could live with that, but I think it'd be a shame. Hmm. Did anybody measure the performance increase in a typical userspace-CPU-intensive program when built with i586-only options (as opposed to optimize for i586+ but generate

Re: PostgreSQL lexer changes needed [Re: Bug#190329: postgresql depends on flex]

2003-04-25 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:09:27 +, Oliver Elphick wrote: All that patch does is to stop configure thinking that flex 2.5.31 is 2.5.3 On a semi-unrelated note, did anybody ask flex-upstream what the *CENSORED* they were thinking? Incompatible changes on that order, IMHO, require a version

Re: i386 compatibility libstdc++

2003-04-25 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:59:19 +, Matthew Palmer wrote: For the original problem, it surely should be possible to build 386 and 486+ versions of libstdc++ and include both in the distro, with linker magic (or installer magic) to tell the difference? Different ABI. Doesn't work. See

RE: Non-debian running DD's (Was: Re: stop abusing debconf alread y)

2003-04-26 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 04:12:25 +, Milanuk, Monte wrote: I guess 'normal' people don't subscribe to mailing-lists, where threading is *essential*. Depends on the mailing list, I'd say. Most non-technical mailing lists have so many people who use brain-dead webmail accounts that threading

Re: Time to package simpleinit?

2003-04-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 18:23:34 +, Theodore Ts'o wrote: Ignoring a dependency is probably bettter than a deadlock which makes the system unusable, to be sure There's a third option. Make need exit with nonzero status if it's called recursively. Then the script just says set -e need foo

Re: New virtual package: festival-voice (bug#112565)

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 07:26:11 +, Andrew Pollock wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 05:15:44PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: The festival speech syntesizer needs at least one voice file. I'd like to use a virtual package named festival-voice so that people cannot install it without one

Re: New virtual package: festival-voice (bug#112565)

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 04:16:42 +, Matthew Palmer wrote: Policy requires discussing new virtual packages on d-d... Unless the virtual package is only to be used amongst a group of cooperating packages (Policy section 2.3.5). I think this would qualify. I don't know whether the voice

Re: libstdc++... Help please

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 09:22:33 +, Jesus Climent wrote: I had the idea that stopping the upgrades, rebuilding *all* the packages with the new version of the compilers and reinitiating the upgrades could solve the problem which otherwise has caused a great deal of delay. If I understood

Re: Announcing Debian Package Tags

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:38:30 +, Emile van Bergen wrote: people tend to have a lot larger memory for words than for images and unpronounceable hieroglyphs (icons, and -- shudder -- tool bars). Not to nitpick, but people, and indeed entire cultures, for which this isn't true -- because

Re: libstdc++... Help please

2003-04-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:06:11 +, Björn Stenberg wrote: Matthias Urlichs wrote: The current tools don't allow programs of arch X into testing if they fail to build on arch Y. I think that in general this is a good idea. I disagree. The net effect is that the program gets less testing

Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
send an autoreply with the information how to bypass the thing, is rather stupid. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- You Go Yahweh - and I'll go Mine!

Re: Please notify the maintainers when removing packages

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Richard Braakman wrote: On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 11:15:44PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: They will complain about Debian, not about their package's maintainer, when they upgrade to Sarge and the program they've been using is irretrievably auto-deinstalled. :-( Does this happen a lot

Bug marked as done messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
' confirmation. I think that's wrong. Unless there's a strong preference to keep things the way they are, I'd like to prepare a patch to change that -- so speak up now. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really

Re: Bug marked as done messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Colin Watson wrote: Yes, and also it causes nasty problems with character sets. There's at least one bug filed, and I've been meaning to change it for a while now. True. Color me embarrassed for not checking the bug list before posting. (#131881, for reference) -- Matthias Urlichs

Re: Bug marked as done messages to-be-MIMEified?

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
going to be a problem. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Murphy's Last Law: If nothing went wrong today, you're probably dead.

Re: Debian MIA check

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Branden Robinson wrote: Is there a mnemonic for that? I.e., does wat stand for something? Is that email address an alias for [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? (ObTLA: mia == missing in action) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
to do security updates for testing... -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Deliver yesterday, code today, think tomorrow.

Re: DebConf 3 for New Maintainers

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
; the school holiday here starts sometime late July. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Few people now believe in the devil; but very many enjoy behaving as their ancestors

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
concise list of package attributes turns into an unwieldy mess when translated to French or German. :-/ -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Someone on IRC was very sad about

Re: Do not touch l10n files (was Re: DDTP issue)

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
, for instance, if nothing else.) They may be bad style (see my other email on that), but they're not actually _forbidden_ by anybody. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- A paranoid

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
approaching (until the time Debian dies, of course...) -- the question is how far away it is. ;-) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Disc space -- the final frontier!

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
current in unstable, and is buildable by the other software in testing, it is scheduled for building. - If the build is successful, it's available for apt-getting from testing-updates; otherwise the maintainer gets a helpful ;-) email. Thoughts? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u

Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Clay Crouch wrote: Five percent failure, eh? Try zero percent, with zero false positives. This may be a stupid question, but how do you KNOW that you have zero false positives (i.e. mail classified as spam which isn't) if you redirect it to /dev/null? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U

Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)

2003-05-14 Thread Matthias Urlichs
a short confirmation to the address my name-abqux at domain so that and your mails will be whitelisted. Sorry about this, but there's no other way. I fail to see how a text like that can be called obnoxious, but that's just me. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
something like that, I'd need to be accepted as DD. (b) Before I do something like that, I'd like to get some sort of rough consensus that this is in fact a good idea, i.e. nobody has serious problems with the approach. Take your pick. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL

Re: Returning from vacation. (MIA?)

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
emails. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Consulting @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Let a fool hold his tongue and he will pass for a sage.

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
or so. I assume debian-admin are the correct people to talk further. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- If you are shooting under 80 you are neglecting your business; over 80

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
misconceptions about how Things Are Done. (That wouldn't be the first time...) So I'd rather ask first than to step on somebody's toes. Besides, somebody might have a better idea how to do that. They should have a chance to speak up _before_ I do all the work. ;-) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
. Something to think about for the next step, anyway. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- I'm CONTROLLED by the CIA!! EVERYONE is controlled by the CIA!! -- Zippy

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
how to do this by setting up an autobuilder for m68k (the machine which replaces my broken IIfx (you have no idea how corrosive a run-down-and-leaking battery is -- I'll put some pics on my homepage later today :-/ ) should arrive tomorrow.) and proceed from there. -- Matthias Urlichs

Re: partimage on powerpc

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Sergio Rua wrote: # partimage Error: volume hedaer size != 512 (520) This version has been compiled with an uncompatible version of gcc. I'll check. Sergio: Which source package from where, please? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
pseudo-updates. ;-) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- [End of diatribe. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...] -- Larry Wall in Configure

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
, is a moving target and continuously updated from unstable, without any kind of review. I fail to see why a t-p-o = testing path, or even a separate-testing-updates solution as I've originally proposed, would need a review, but I'm willing to be enlightened. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U

Re: A strawman proposal: testing-x86

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
then. IMHO it's a bug and it should be fixed. Note: I'm not saying that security.d.o should do the same job for testing they're already doing for stable and stable-old -- that wouldn't make much sense, IMHO. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
intervention other than a debian/changelog edit. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Never tell people how to do things. Tell them WHAT to do and they will surprise you

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Matthias Urlichs
. :-/ -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- A pound of salt will not sweeten a single cup of tea.

Re: conflicts-based solution (was Re: security in testing)

2003-05-16 Thread Matthias Urlichs
. the do we need that 'tpu-approved' list at all? question) I'll ask some other time. ;-) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- share, n.: To give in, endure humiliation.

Re: security in testing

2003-05-16 Thread Matthias Urlichs
of your responsibility? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- RoboHak hmm, lunch does sound like a good idea Knghtbrd would taste like a good idea too

Re: security in testing

2003-05-16 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Finding a cure is not a problem: we know what the cure is; do the same thing the security team does for stable. A few other cures have been advocated. I'll not repeat them here. As in medicine, figuring out what the RIGHT cure is is the problem. -- Matthias

Re: Questions regarding utf-8

2003-05-16 Thread Matthias Urlichs
existing samples, which hopefully include a number of non-ASCII characters, recode them to UTF-8, and then try a few encodings -- the German text would typically be in latin-1, latin-15, or one of the Windows or Mac specific charsets for West or Central Europe. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-16 Thread Matthias Urlichs
. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Afternoon, n.: That part of the day we spend worrying about how we wasted the morning.

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-17 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Michael Banck wrote: - sign your response (!) He did. Oops, sorry, my mistake. :-( -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Relax, Julie. Everyone will understand

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-20 Thread Matthias Urlichs
is Not Good. I'd reject this change. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Losing your faith is a lot like losing your virginity you don't realise how irritating it was 'til it's gone

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
make a vote fail simply by not voting. Not good. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Bite off, dirtball. Richard Sexton, [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpJNtCVKEXeq.pgp Description

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Sven Luther wrote: If there is such a lack of participation that even our low quorum requirement is not meet, then is this a bad thing ? Yes -- because it encourages people not to vote in that situation. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-21 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Nick Phillips wrote: If a winning option would be discarded due to quorum requirements, then I think the vote should probably be considered void. That seems to be the best choice. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote

Re: Help wanted for packaging postgresql application

2003-05-26 Thread Matthias Urlichs
to use their own account creation script. You might want to offer a re-enter and retry step if the setup fails (misspelled password?). -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de

Re: Accepted bwidget 1.6.0-1 (all source)

2003-05-28 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Brian Nelson wrote: Is it worthwhile to Cc this stuff to -devel, or should I just give up and let the proliferation of these IMO useless changelogs continue? (serious, not rhetorical, questions) IMHO you should continue. Peer pressure is a powerful concept. ;-) -- Matthias Urlichs

Re: Changelog issues with (among others) tkdiff 1:3.08-4

2003-06-03 Thread Matthias Urlichs
something more productive to do than making these never-ending complaints about people who complain about bad changelog entries. An appropriate filter in your email / news program should help. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote

Re: gcc 3.3 - what problems should I expect?

2003-06-19 Thread Matthias Urlichs
if it's not needed, i.e. all usages get inlined. On the other hand, removing the qualifier causes the compiler to write one copy of the inlined function to every object whose source sees them. That's rather non-nice if the inline function is defined in a header file. :-/ -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U

Re: Application files in $HOME

2003-06-30 Thread Matthias Urlichs
it's the default. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Nirvana? That's the place where the powers that be and their friends hang out. -- Zonker Harris

Re: Work-needing packages report for Jul 11, 2003

2003-07-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
kind of notice or update is quite frankly rude and unneeded. AOL. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- To succeed planning alone is insufficient. One must improvise as well

Re: coreutils with acl support

2003-07-23 Thread Matthias Urlichs
: and Provides: coreutils? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- The forest is safe because a lion lives therein and the lion is safe because it lives in a forest. Likewise

Re: Why back-porting patches to stable instead of releasing a new package.

2003-07-23 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Nick Phillips wrote: I believe that when a package is so badly outdated or broken that the version in stable should not or can not be used, it should at least be considered for update, new bugs or no. FWIW, I agree. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL

Re: mplayer 0.90, was Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Matthias Urlichs
you consider that legitimate, or a fib, is up to you, but I'd say that the class of machines where this would be right on the line between real-time performance or not certainly isn't empty. I don't know whether modern CPUs' register aliasing hardware changes that number. -- Matthias Urlichs

Re: mplayer 0.90, was Re: why mplayer not in Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 10:18:22AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Well, when the glibc people had this discussion (the switch to ELF), the performance penalty was found to be on the order of 5%. ... by testing with somewhat typical programs. I don't know whether

Re: Bug#201023: dosemu: purging doesmu wipes out all user data

2003-07-24 Thread Matthias Urlichs
in cases where this isn't so, tracking the names of generated files in a special log file won't be too much of a burden. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- You clever dog!

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Marco d'Itri wrote: some useless architecture like arm or m68k Happy flaming. NOT. Please. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Only Irish coffee provides in a single

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-24 Thread Matthias Urlichs
. If nobody volunteeers to make the crap ready, Umm, using that word puts your mail firmly into the flame category, especially for readers who actually care about Debian supporting these architectures. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-25 Thread Matthias Urlichs
rows of people on different sides of a long table, shouting at each other. to conveniently ignore the real question ... which others have already answered the same way I'd have. Why say/write the same thing twice? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-25 Thread Matthias Urlichs
, not by electrons, anyway. Proof: The computer dies when the smoke escapes. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- I will make you shorter by the head. -- Elizabeth

Re: Future releases of Debian

2003-07-25 Thread Matthias Urlichs
. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- You shall reach the pinnacle of success because of your total lack of ethics.

Re: logging out a ssh-user

2003-07-27 Thread Matthias Urlichs
twice before spawning a shell (I don't know why); the child puts its PID into utmp, and the grandchild controls the communication and spawns the login shell. ssh should probably enter the grandchild's PID. This might be a bug in ssh. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL

Re: logging out a ssh-user

2003-07-27 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 10:30:07AM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Wrong, actually. ssh forks twice before spawning a shell (I don't know why); I think it is related to the priveledge separation code. Probably. It's still a bug. #164797, actually, which

Re: logging out a ssh-user

2003-07-27 Thread Matthias Urlichs
and that was a handy way to separate it out. I suppose I shouldn't do that really. I wouldn't have said anything if the bug had noted that. In that case I don't have a problem with a multi-week pending status. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote

Re: logging out a ssh-user

2003-07-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
that they can check if the bug really is fixed. To that end, if you really have dealt with the bug, why not upload the package? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Understanding

Re: logging out a ssh-user

2003-07-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
and to upload a new .orig.tar.gz. (Assuming that upstream won't do a new release soon.) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- This neurotic pursuit of sanity is driving us all

Re: logging out a ssh-user

2003-07-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
. (Umm, I think I need to emphasize that this is me personally, and not to be construed as a put-down on anybody. OK?) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Today is the first day

Re: More mailing from BTS?

2003-07-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
? (With an additional comment noting how many older and newer bugs there are, probably.) - it is not in any useful order So what would be a useful order? Offhand I can't think of one. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly

Re: should bugs really be closed?

2003-07-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
afterwards: We have a bunch of open bugs against OLD_VERSION. The bugs against NEW_VERSION will be archived, and thus not visible. So what would be the point? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http

Re: package name change (moviemate - mediamate)

2003-07-31 Thread Matthias Urlichs
? -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- BOFH excuse #86: Runt packets

Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria

2003-07-31 Thread Matthias Urlichs
. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- What are fears but voices airy? Whispering harm where harm is not, And deluding the unwary Till the fatal bolt is shot

Re: Bug#203588: acpid: Shell script has nothing to do in /etc

2003-08-01 Thread Matthias Urlichs
by the script. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- A pretty woman is a welcome guest. -- Byron

Re: debconf 2005 in Vienna, Austria

2003-08-03 Thread Matthias Urlichs
by the environmentalists (rightly so, IMHO) because the mid-range trains running on nonelectrified trains sometimes ran with two Diesel locomotives so that the coffee machines in the train bistro could get enough juice. :-/ -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer

Re: libraries being removed from the archive

2003-08-04 Thread Matthias Urlichs
need strace to find a persistent chroot-environment problem. :-/ ) Hmm, if I bind-mount the real arch's /{lib,usr/{bin,lib}} on the server's chroot, that'll be visible only on the server but not on the client, so a chrooted cross-compiler should Just Work... -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design

Re: libraries being removed from the archive

2003-08-05 Thread Matthias Urlichs
to existing software everybody. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- If Columbus had had an advisory committee he would probably still be at the dock

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-06 Thread Matthias Urlichs
the mail, your MUA says Sent, you power down or just close the laptop, and, if your smarthost happens to be a bit slow today, the mail sits there indefinitely. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http

Re: Should MUA only Recommend mail-transfer-agent?

2003-08-06 Thread Matthias Urlichs
/sendmail. Or they could install something tiny like nullmailer or ssmtp and leave it at that. Better idea. ;-) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- :var: /veir/ or /var/ n

Re: Excessive wait for DAM - something needs to be done

2003-08-06 Thread Matthias Urlichs
. ;-) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Truth can wait; he's used to it.

Re: How to install X-Chat in five hours (or more)

2003-08-06 Thread Matthias Urlichs
job keeping them distinct. (The fact that the Apple directory has a distinct icon helps, of course. ;-) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http://smurf.noris.de -- Mythology: The body of a primitive

Re: Should this be filed as grave? Gcc-2.95

2003-08-06 Thread Matthias Urlichs
-2.95. You got gcc-2.95. Whatever else you got should be of no consequence whatsoever. If gcc-2.95 hadn't pulled in gcc which pulled in gcc-3.3, you'd've got _no_ gcc. That strikes me as being singularly unhelpful. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Packaging some Redhat admin tools

2003-08-07 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Francesco Paolo Lovergine wrote: rpm -Uvh estracts in /usr/src/rpm/SOURCES The best idea probably is to use rpm2cpio = extract to the current directory. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http

Re: About NM and Next Release

2003-08-08 Thread Matthias Urlichs
, most mail/news viewers these days can do their own line breaks when showing articles. (I do know that 80chars/line still make sense for quite a few reasons.) -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http

Re: Building kernel with framebuffer support (was: Re: GCC for kernel compilation)

2003-08-08 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Otto Wyss wrote: I'd be good if warnings and error where duplicated into a log file. Were. The solution is 'make 21 | less' or similar. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http

Re: Zeroconf Debian?

2003-08-08 Thread Matthias Urlichs
. The large-office admin, on the other hand, might want the reverse, i.e. to have printers NOT show up when they're NOT there. ZC can help with that, too. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The quote was selected randomly. Really. | http

Re: get together at torcon3? Toronto, Aug 28-Sep 1

2003-08-08 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Blars Blarson wrote: I'm going to the World Science Fiction Convention, torcon3, (http://www.torcon3.on.ca) in Toronto, Onterio, Canada at the end of the month. Is there any interest in a get-togther there or nearby? Ontario. Me too. Yes. -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u

Re: If ATI and nVidia don't support their own products, who does?

2004-10-05 Thread Matthias Urlichs
, you're legally required here to provide schematics so that people can, theoretically these days, repair their VCRs if they break), and giving away the design files for the chips so that others can go to their own fab and recreate one (which is what open hardware ultimately means). -- Matthias

Re: about volatile.d.o/n

2004-10-12 Thread Matthias Urlichs
not to do that, for a while at least. ... well, except for the fact that I'm already a happy user of spamassassin 3 ... -- Matthias Urlichs | {M:U} IT Design @ m-u-it.de | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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