Re: removal of dhcp-beta?

1998-06-17 Thread Michael Stone
the dist lose functionality. (A real bummer if there are no problems with dhcp-beta other than the name.) -- Michael Stone, Sysadmin, ITRI PGP: key 1024/76556F95 from mit keyserver, [EMAIL PROTECTED]finger, or email with Subject: get pgp key -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: perl version depends

1998-10-08 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Before this screwup I didn't realize that most but not all modules are placed in /usr/lib/perl5/$version/$arch-linux/$dir while plain /usr/lib/per5 would be sufficient, too. We should have made it policy that modules have to omit the versioned

Re: perl version depends

1998-10-08 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Michael Stone wrote: Except that this isn't what's happening; the new perl is ignoring /usr/lib/perl5. (E.g., I couldn't install netstd the other day because That's the main cause of this thread... it couldn't find DebianNet.pm--which

Re: The freeze and IMMINENT 2.2.0p1!!

1998-10-09 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting J.H.M. Dassen Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I'm not aware of any software in slink that must be updated to work with 2.2 properly (with the exception of pcmcia-cs); slink currently runs fine with 2.1.x (which I suspect quite a few developers run). Things like smbfsx that have 2.0 and 2.1

Re: The freeze and IMMINENT 2.2.0p1!!

1998-10-11 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Avery Pennarun ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Slink is a badly-needed cleanup release. Don't hold it back for any package. What needs to be cleaned up? Hamm's running fine here. Slink definately adds value, but I don't think it's something we desperately need _now_. Mike Stone

Re: The freeze and IMMINENT 2.2.0p1!!

1998-10-11 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Buddha Buck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Quoting Avery Pennarun ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Slink is a badly-needed cleanup release. Don't hold it back for any package. What needs to be cleaned up? Hamm's running fine here. Slink definately adds value, but I don't think it's something we

.xsessions

1998-10-15 Thread Michael Stone
I keep seeing questions about getting .xsession's to work, the common problem being failure to set +x. Wasn't someone going to tweak the Xsession script to allow non-executable .xsessions? Mike Stone

Re: Deleting uncompressed Info/Doc files at upgrades

1998-10-15 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Stephane Bortzmeyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Yes, the current Debian system is really inconvenient. Each time you want to do something useful with a documentation (print it, grep it, glimpse it, vi it, remember that not every program is able to read compressed files and zcat file.gz |

Re: gdselect alpha 3

1998-10-16 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Jason Gunthorpe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I think this idea of 'lets quickly do something fast' is ill concieved and is ultimately going to hurt our image. I've looked at the latest version, it looks rather pretty, it's slightly more functional than dselect but that's about it.. It doesn't

Re: gdselect alpha 3

1998-10-16 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Michael == Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Quoting Jason Gunthorpe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I think this idea of 'lets quickly do something fast' is ill concieved and is ultimately going to hurt our image. I've looked at the latest

Re: Deleting uncompressed Info/Doc files at upgrades

1998-10-16 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): This should be fixed. The default lessopen script does indeed set it up so. ?. Less doesn't decode gz's on any of my systems. Mike Stone

Re: 1FA: problem still in hamm disks

1998-10-17 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Tom Lees ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): While I'm at it, *PLEASE* drop the dependency of lilo on mbr. I don't want a new mbr eg if I want to install LILO to use on a floppy ONLY (I use GRUB on my HD). Change it to Recommends. mbr being a high priority and/or essential (can't remember if it is)

Re: Emacs addon packages--compile upon install?

1998-10-18 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Ben Pfaff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I'm not sure what you mean by this. With w3-el, I just set it up to build each flavor in a separate subdirectory; i.e., mkdir e19; cd e19; ../configure --with-emacs=emacs19; make mkdir e20; cd e20; ../configure --with-emacs=emacs20; make

Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Robert Woodcock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): P.S.: From where is /bin/domainname standard? I can see it's purpose in an app env standard, so I'm curious... NIS/yp. You'll find it in the nis package. Mike Stone

Re: the Great X Reorganization, package splits, and renaming

1999-01-25 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Branden Robinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [snip more discussion of xfnt packages] I'd still rather we explored alternatives. For how much longer? I don't think I've heard of anything else that has a chance of working. (Did I miss something?) Alternatives have been talked about for a while

Re: Why /var/www? (Was: Where does 'www-data' come from?)

1999-01-26 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Juergen A. Erhard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I personally thing either the ftp hierarchy should go to /var/ftp, or the www data should move to /home/www (the latter I'd prefer). /home/(ftp|www) is just plain ugly. (It's a real pain when you're trying to share nfs home dirs between web

Re: Uploaded util-linux 2.9g-6 (source i386) to master

1999-01-27 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Jason Gunthorpe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): We also need working DHCP and BOOTP support in Slink otherwise those people cannot use 2.2 kernels - potatos DHCP package has support for 2.2 (and 2.0) but I don't know about bootp. dhcp-beta has worked on 2.1* as long as I can remember. Unless

Re: Uploaded util-linux 2.9g-6 (source i386) to master

1999-01-27 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Mark Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 07:14:04PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: dhcp-beta has worked on 2.1* as long as I can remember. Unless you're talking about dhcpcd? I couldn't get either to work when I started using the -pre series. However, ISTR

Re: List of bugs that *must* be fixed before releasing Slink

1999-01-31 Thread Michael Stone
Well, let's see what's holding up slink. :) apache32204 user directories allow symlinks to other files [0] (Johnie Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED]) There's a suggested fix in the bug report. Is it problematic? autoconf 32391 Autoconf patches for slink [0] (Ben Pfaff [EMAIL

Re: List of bugs that *must* be fixed before releasing Slink

1999-01-31 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Wichert Akkerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Previously Michael Stone wrote: perl-suid 31904 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Secuity hole with perl (suidperl) and nosuid mounts on Linux] [13] (Darren Stalder [EMAIL PROTECTED]) I'm not sure there's much we can do about this one--it's

Re: List of bugs that *must* be fixed before releasing Slink

1999-01-31 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting David Starner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): No. The maintainer needs to get the new license (or clarification of the old, depending on how you split your hairs) from the LyX website and change the copyright file. Being more or less error-proof, it seems to call for a simple NMU. I thought I

Re: List of bugs that *must* be fixed before releasing Slink

1999-01-31 Thread Michael Stone
All right, here's the revised list (removing anything that someone confirmed as almost done.) Quoting Michael Stone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): apache32204 user directories allow symlinks to other files [0] (Johnie Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED]) There's a suggested fix in the bug report

Re: Mail Being Lost Again

1999-01-31 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting John Goerzen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): At the beginning of January, I reported that mutt was losing mail. This behavior *appeared* to disappear with a certain kernel upgrade, but again it persists. Losing mail is a very serious system failure. IIRC, you were using a mix of kernel

Re: suid-perl

1999-01-31 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Chip Salzenberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): According to Michael Stone: Quoting Wichert Akkerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): What perl-suid should do is check the mountoptions for the filesystem on which the script resides and abort if that was mounted with nosuid. Should be quite simple

Re: List of bugs that *must* be fixed before releasing Slink

1999-02-01 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Oscar Levi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Sun, Jan 31, 1999 at 10:11:54PM -0600, Jonel Rienton wrote: Slink's latest lprng is broken, it's give me a problem about permission or something'. Best to submit a bug. Make sure to make it important. 32628 was submitted 30 Jan. It could be

Re: Freeze date for potato?

1999-05-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, May 08, 1999 at 09:31:32PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote: Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that's a good reason. Is there a plan for this? Is any help needed/desired? Everyone is welcome. Join [EMAIL PROTECTED] I notice that this list isn't listed on the mailing list page

Re: Perl 5.005 in potato

1999-05-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, May 09, 1999 at 05:23:01PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Also, FWIW, my major complaint about the release process is that we spend far too much time in `freeze'. Shortening the freeze is one way to fix this, although I, personally, don't think any of this `just wait until next time!' is

Re: Perl 5.005 in potato

1999-05-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, May 09, 1999 at 10:47:16AM -0400, Zephaniah E. Hull wrote: IMHO we should not freeze until we have a number of things working, including fully functional boot disks, a cdrom generation setup, etc.. I agree with this. These are important things, and you can't do a dist without them. Perl

Re: Perl 5.005 in potato AND why freeze?

1999-05-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, May 09, 1999 at 11:11:21AM -0500, Mr. Christopher F. Miller wrote: What are the reasons for freezing in the first place? Distribution versioning is not something I know much about! Help me out. 1) A known (re)starting point. 2) Bandwidth conservation - offload from mirrors to

Re: Intent to package ogonkify

1999-05-11 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 10:56:34PM +0200, Piotr Roszatycki wrote: Description: Package for printing ISO-Latin-2 on PostScript printers This is already part of the a2ps package. Are you coordinating with the maintainter of that package? Mike Stone pgp4ABRu59oOQ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [ITP/mostly packaged] hftpd

1999-05-18 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 07:54:08PM +0100, Adrian Bridgett wrote: hftpd is a superb, linux-optimized ftpd. i am going to have a little bit in the postinst that makes note that people really should roll their own, since it can use a lot of 2.2 kernel features and such. it was written by

Re: [ITP/mostly packaged] hftpd

1999-05-18 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 02:26:09PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because too many people don't use debian kernel images. If people don't use the tools, then they don't get the benefits of the tools, which is hardly our fault. This is like saying that we

Re: [ITP/mostly packaged] hftpd

1999-05-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 04:06:35AM +0930, Ron wrote: The start of this thread is vague in my memory now, so apologies if I'm off target here, but I would object to any sort of enforced kernel version dependancy on a package. Just because I have the 'correct' kernel version for a package

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 03:09:02PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~} ls -l `which ae` -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root23548 Oct 30 1998 /bin/ae [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~} ls -l `which joe` -rwxr-xr-x 5 root root 174020 Dec 10 13:19 /usr/bin/joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~} ldd

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 07:49:11PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: some version of vi is essential on a rescue disk, regardless of what some windows using loudmouth happens to think (and no, i'm not referring to you here joseph). That's just silly. If someone can figure out vi, they really ought

Re: [ITP/mostly packaged] hftpd

1999-05-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 01:09:40AM -0500, Rob Browning wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ron) writes: I tend to use make-kpkg if I'm building a kernel to use on a different machine than the one I'm building it on, but otherwise I usually dont. Kernel packages are handy if you wish to intstall the

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 12:21:02PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: On Sat, 22 May 1999, Michael Stone wrote: I disagree: I think it's still more complicated than it needs to be. Complicated? E.g., the big block of commands at the upper left is a bit too cluttered. Upper left? You _are_

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 09:47:33AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: that extra 30k (if it is actually available on the rescue disk) would be better used either as part of the space needed by elvis-tiny (**) or by I still don't understand the sentiment that people can only understand vi. Are other

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 07:09:09PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: After all of this I took a look at both ae and ee. Both lack something that I think needs to be addressed. AE's movement keys don't appear to have any rhyme or reason to them. They're not grouped together and not in any

Re: xfstt 0.9.99 uploaded - some news with it

1999-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 10:24:17PM -0400, Greg Stark wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: This is NOT an excuse for running as root. Make it create the pidfile in /var/run/xfstt like other similar programs do. Couldn't we just set the sticky bit on /var/run ? No, that creates

Re: An 'ae' testimony

1999-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, May 23, 1999 at 11:46:43PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: joe and ae are no more intrinsically friendly, they just have help windows at the top of the screen. If we put one in a small vi, would that shut you up? I disagree: a modal editor is intrisically easier to get stuck in, because

Re: Bug o' the week

1999-09-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:31:33PM +1000, Brian May wrote: - not sure you entirely believe bug report, but want to leave bug report open anyway, just in case. bug reports aren't always accurate, and it is possible that the reporter made a mistake, but cannot be verified as such by the

Re: Migrating to GPG - A mini-HOWTO

1999-09-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 at 01:01:18PM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: I think his point is that if you can't trust a pgp signature to sign a gpg key, why should trust a pgp signature to do anything at all, e.g. accept an uploaded package. Seems like a reasonable argument. Because the real user can

Re: A few changes

1999-09-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 04:09:17PM -0700, Darren Benham wrote: Bugs are no longer deleted!!! We don't have a way for you to access them directly but there's an official location in the database where they're being archived. We're trying to decide how to serve them up... by requesting a bug

Re: Packages should not Conflict on the basis of duplicate functionality

1999-09-25 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 01:02:44AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: The Doctor What wrote: Why shouldn't *all* daemon packages ask these questions, and whether to even run *upon install*? Because we need to decrease the number of questions asked at install time, not increase it. Bzzt. Security is

Re: Packages should not Conflict on the basis of duplicate functionality

1999-09-25 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 03:32:25PM +0200, Martin Bialasinski wrote: Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bzzt. Security is more important than usability. We're not building windows 2000 here... Ii I install a daemon, I want to use it. That doesn't account for daemons installed by default

Re: Packages should not Conflict on the basis of duplicate functionality

1999-09-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 03:51:37PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 12:52:16AM -0400, Mark W. Eichin wrote: True, but don't forget the case of an initial install - you pick some profile, and get lots of stuff, with no hints. (In this case, I like they idea of a debconf

where's getdents(2)?

1999-09-29 Thread Michael Stone
getdents is documented in manpages-dev (and used to work) but isn't in libc6. What's the deal? Mike Stone pgpsIfP4jzmwa.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Packages should not Conflict on the basis of duplicate functionality

1999-09-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 08:05:32AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: sorry, it's you who needs to wake up to the real world. if people don't know how to administer a unix machine then they need to learn fast. Not true. Maintaining a unix-like machine for desktop or personal use requires a

Re: daemon configuration

1999-10-03 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 02:59:38AM -0400, Rick wrote: I'm uncertain whether this is a good idea or not. I have helped many people install redhat linux and, frankly, the daemon enable screen confuses them. They don't know what all these things are or which ones they may need. If this gets

Re: A new axis for bugs?

1999-10-06 Thread Michael Stone
[moved to -devel] On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 02:34:20AM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: I like this idea, but I think it is orthogonal to the existing bug categories. I don't know what you would call it, but I imagine a 4-way status switch: unreproduced reproduced possible fix known fix

Re: Packages to remove from frozen

2000-03-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 08:56:34AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: Eh, well, it is correct[1] behavior to toss out an error message in this case since it's notifying you of a *security* problem. In fact, it's telling you that the server key is half as secure as the server claims it is. But you

Re: Packages to remove from frozen

2000-03-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 09:18:06AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Use the Source, Luke. Quit whining and start coding. Why? On hosts where this is an issue, f-secure's ssh does the job just fine. (Not to mention that I don't live in a free country and can't work on ssh...) -- Mike Stone

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for March 10, 2000

2000-03-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 07:17:47PM -0800, Chip Salzenberg wrote: According to Christian Hammers: According to the automated report: Package: nfs-kernel-server (debian/main) Maintainer: Chip Salzenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 59641 nfs-kernel-server: conflicts with Standard package

Re: 14 days till bug horizon

2000-03-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 01:54:04PM +0100, Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote: On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 11:14:55AM +0100, Richard Braakman wrote: Package: fortify (non-US/non-free). Maintainer: Roberto Lumbreras [EMAIL PROTECTED] 60162 fortify: Does the index file / database need to be updated? Is

Re: The nature of unstable (was: Danger Will Robinson! Danger!)

2000-03-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 08:17:00PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: Josip Rodin wrote: But slink is practically completely adjusted for 2.2 already. Sure, if you ignore the 12 packages that break (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/running-kernel-2.2) Most people can run 2.2 on slink without the

Re: quota bug

2000-03-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 10:29:23AM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: I just noticed that the quota package (that I did maintain earlier) has a release critical bug. In fact it is only a typo. The quota maintainer seems to be unreachable. Is it okay, if I adopt the package for the time being or at

Re: The nature of unstable (was: Danger Will Robinson! Danger!)

2000-03-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 05:27:26PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: it doesn't distract me at all. i mostly ignore it these days as it is of little or no relevance to me. Safe to say, that is a really self-centered attitude. One which I hope that most developers don't have. Not a very team

Re: new version in frozen?

2000-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 12:45:40PM +0100, Richard Braakman wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 08:32:48AM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: I just checked through the bugs open against quota and found that quite a lot of them are fixed in the new upstream version 2.00-pre4. Yes, it is not final so

Re: The nature of unstable (was: Danger Will Robinson! Danger!)

2000-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 09:03:18PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 09:35:35AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: You have 3 RCB open against your packages (11, 25 and 21 days old), two of them for the same package (vtun). again, they hardly seem release critical i

Re: The nature of unstable (was: Danger Will Robinson! Danger!)

2000-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 11:18:49PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 07:07:51AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 09:03:18PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: i haven't yet decided what to do about vtun. i'll probably get around to upgrading it to the latest

Re: new version in frozen?

2000-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 01:56:09PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 07:01:25AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: fixed and the new version of quota should go into woody--better the devil we know that the devil we don't. (And we really don't need another well, this new version

Re: A progressive distribution

2000-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 02:36:47PM -0500, Ed Szynaka wrote: The problem that I see is that there is too much time between stable releases. I think that shorter and much more regular time periods between freezes is necessary. By fixing the number and date of freezes, with say three or four a

Re: A progressive distribution

2000-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 03:17:09PM -0500, Ed Szynaka wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 02:36:47PM -0500, Ed Szynaka wrote: How does this account for drastic changes to something like libc that might take weeks or months to shake out? Well say that there are 3 releases a year. That gives say

Re: A progressive distribution

2000-03-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 03:27:18PM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Ed Szynaka wrote: How does this account for drastic changes to something like libc that might take weeks or months to shake out? Build daemons could take care of the 90% or so of packages that would

Re: Permission policy

2000-03-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 01:43:22AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: BTW: there is a idea for settig groups for console access to devices like cdrom, floppy, sound, mic, cam... so each user who logs into the sonsole will get added to that groups, then your program does not need to be Which is a

Re: Permission policy

2000-03-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 09:39:41PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Mar 16, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is a waste of effort if the user can create a sgid shell. Do you really mount user-writeable directories without the nosuid option? 1. Depends on the environment

Re: quota yet again

2000-03-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 01:13:03PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: I just scanned through the quota bug reports and found that 4 open bugs (34980, 44585, 46610, 48103) are fixed in the latest upstream version. Does this justify a new package in frozen? From the changelog it seems that the only

Re: woody mutt users, please read

2000-03-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Mar 27, 2000 at 10:38:22PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: You have to change all lists commands in your ~/.muttrc in subscribe. Was that just a gratuitous change? -- Mike Stone pgpez67xQtsKl.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: MiniVend Debian package

2000-03-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 12:53:12PM +0200, Stefan Hornburg wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 10:11:57AM +0200, Stefan Hornburg wrote: OK, now as MV 4.03 is out, there is a Debian package available now for testing. Excellent. I've long been

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 07:19:09AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: If you don't want to download realplayer right now, why are you installing the package? E.g., you might have a slow network connection and want to deal with the download later. (So you can finish installing everything else without

Re: potato-proposed-updates vs. security

2000-09-03 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 07:09:45PM +0200, Igor Mozetic wrote: Is there any difference between the packages in deb http://ANY.DEBIAN.MIRRIR/debian dists/potato-proposed-updates/ and deb http://security.debian.org/ potato/updates main contrib non-free Yes. -- Mike Stone pgpzFNgreH9vi.pgp

Re: Close list

2000-12-30 Thread Michael Stone
This useless thread generated more traffic than I've seen in spam in the last couple of months. (And if you add the traffic from the last couple of times we had this *same discussion*...) I'd like to propose that we blacklist people who propose solutions to deal with non-existant spam problems

Re: Important Note On Source-Only Uploads

2001-01-03 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:24:08PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The most important problem this has is how katie (the new dinstall) processes it. It goes through the following motions: I guess it needs to be fixed, right? I'd actually like to see source-only become the norm--we've seen too many

Re: our broken man package

2001-01-05 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 01:09:17AM -0300, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: There could be a helper setuid program, man-cache-writer. man would call this program and pipe it the catpage. man-cache-writer would just write it's stding to the proper place. End of the problems. No so simple. You don't

Re: What to do about /etc/debian_version

2001-01-05 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 12:33:34PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: Joey Hess (See Bug#81249) complains about the fact that local changes to /etc/debian_version are not preserved on upgrades (he wants this file to read unstable instead of the current testing/unstable). What should I do? Move it

Re: What to do about /etc/debian_version

2001-01-05 Thread Michael Stone
Screw it, just kill the file. We don't have a mechanism for coping with it. -- Mike Stone

Re: tar -I incompatibility

2001-01-06 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 07:42:30AM -0500, Scott Ellis wrote: Of course the -I option to tar was completely non-standard. The changelog explains why it changed, to be consistant with Solaris tar. I'd prefer portability and consistancy any day, it shouldn't take that long to change any custom

Re: tar -I incompatibility

2001-01-06 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 01:17:40AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: One point the maintainer has made on the gnu mailing lists in response to complaints about this change is that there has actually been no *released* version of gnu tar that uses -I for bzip (I don't know whether it's true or not).

Re: tar -I incompatibility

2001-01-06 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 11:43:10AM -0500, Neal H Walfield wrote: I think that your argument is equivalent to someone complaining that unstable is broken. Of course it is, nothing has been finalized and it is, by definition, unstable. If you want stability, use the released version, not

Re: tar -I incompatibility

2001-01-06 Thread Michael Stone
Since solaris compat is now a release goal for tar, should we also expect dramatic changes in the behavior of the following options? (Some of these are actually supported on more platforms than just solaris; gtar is the only oddball.) F i k l o P -- Mike Stone

Re: tar -I incompatibility

2001-01-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 04:25:43AM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 03:28:46AM +0100, Goswin Brederlow wrote: tar -xIvvf file.tar.bz2 has been in use under linux for over a year by pretty much everybody. Even if the author never released it as stable, all linux

Re: tar -I incompatibility

2001-01-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 12:12:59AM +1100, Sam Couter wrote: Goswin Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as linux-centric as the other way is solaris-centric. Not true. There's the way GNU tar works, then there's the way every other tar on the planet works (at least with respect to the -I

Re: tar -I incompatibility

2001-01-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 08:32:33AM +1100, Sam Couter wrote: My point is that the -I option *doesn't* mean uncompress this file using bzip2 for anything other than GNU tar. Now that it doesn't mean that for GNU tar either, people are complaining. I think they probably shouldn't have been using

Re: tar -I incompatibility

2001-01-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 09:09:06PM +0100, Ingo Saitz wrote: option? Is -j fixed for the next stable tar version or will it probably change to something different again? If yes, we should not support -j in potato, as suggested above, of course. It's already changed several times before. I would

Re: resolution of the tar -I issue

2001-01-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 03:09:34PM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote: I'm satisfied with this solution, and will work with Paul to deliver an implementation for Debian as soon as possible. sounds very good. -- Mike Stone

Re: ITP: x-ttcidfont-conf

2001-04-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 12:52:30AM +0900, Yasuhiro Take wrote: The biggest problem about TrueType font configuration for X is the syntax of .scale file. X provides two backends to handle TrueType fonts, xtt backend and freetype backend. The former features dynamic decoration of TrueType font,

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:19:29AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: I'm actually referring to all binary modules. But for binary-only modules in particular, since you don't have the luxuary of being able to recompile them, it's even more important to supply the builder with enough information

Re: 2.4.x Kernel, ECN And Problem Websites

2001-04-25 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:02:47AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: mkfs doesn't fry harddrives, it fries data on harddrives. However, using wrong video settings can actually destroy certain monitors. Would any of those monitors even work after you dug them up from the bottom of the dusty parts

Re: updating of /etc/rc?.d

2001-04-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 02:50:24AM -0700, Mike Markley wrote: Admittedly, it's sort of buried; I don't see why we couldn't modify update-rc.d to use one of the unassigned but allowed runlevels to keep track of this junk. I have no problem with removing all but the K symlinks in What would be

Re: [doko@cs.tu-berlin.de: Bug#95285: Incorrect globbing under locales]

2001-04-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:59:35PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Paul Martin wrote: Looks like it would be a good idea to add export LC_ALL=POSIX to the default dh_make rules file. Well, we _could_ do that. It would probably have nasty effects if you expected to be able to build a package and

Re: Many ports open by default

2001-04-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 12:22:47AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:29:58PM -0600, Dwayne C. Litzenberger wrote: Why does a server automatically get run just because it's installed? because if you didn't want it to run, you wouldn't have installed it. As always, that

Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

2001-05-03 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:51:53PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Paul == Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul I think that *mutt* is definitely broken in this regard, Paul because *no* other console program i know (e.g. mc or pine) Paul breaks like this using the very same

Re: Bug#95975: mutt: doesn't use charset anymore

2001-05-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 09:03:18AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp/LC]% LANG=hr_HR ls -A .A .B .C .a .b .c A B C a b c Probably because your locale.gen isn't configured to build an hr_HR locale. -- Mike Stone

Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian

2003-04-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Apr 19, 2003 at 11:13:59PM +0200, Anders Widman wrote: Wow.. what an reaction :). Hans's original message was that the credits were not included with the distributed files, nothing else. Or am I completely mistaken? Who knows. The original message was an non-specific rant. Mike

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:07:16AM +0300, Chris Leishman wrote: Yes, there are. But all of these loose one of the main reasons I feel we even have a testing distribution - to have people testing it. You are falling into the trap of overselling testing. Having people test testing at this point in

Re: security in testing

2003-05-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:14:53AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: I'm sorry, I am on a public terminal, and can't quite remember where I read it - But testing should always be close to a releasable state. That assumption is both false and absurd. Testing has exactly two advantages over unstable--1) all

Re: security in testing

2003-05-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 07:07:16AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: But we don't advertize this, so it is natural that people make the mistake and use testing instead of unstable. People say this all the time. Then other people go around telling everyone to run testing. I'm not sure how to fix misplaced

Re: security in testing

2003-05-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 09:15:21PM -0500, Anthony Towns wrote: Please don't bother listening to or arguing with Michael on this, he's wrong, but likes to keep repeating his opinion as though it's gospel whenever this comes up anyway. aj likes to say I'm wrong, but hasn't fixed the problems to make

Re: Bug#183858: assign, reassign, close bug without even telling why

2003-05-25 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, May 25, 2003 at 04:51:17PM +0200, Jim Meyering wrote: The problem is that the kernel provides no way to get the required information. s/no way/no reasonable way/ It is possible to parse /proc/cpuinfo (that's what the experimental patch in the debian coreutils-4.5.2-1 did) but that's a

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