Hallo.
If somebody is interested, here is a complete rewrite of `localepurge'
with small `dpkg-deb' implementation to have this done before
unpacking archive on the file system.
Reading docs in `localepurge's directory dated six years back, i fail
to explain to myself, why this is in so horrible
But I am asking you still: can you think of anything to say against
such an approach? Please don't flame languages or anything of that
sort. The question is just: is it viable for a C++ coder with
a Python proficiency to mockup a new application in Python first?
Planning to write the
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 08:50:11AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
[]
The methods, which are the actual workers doing the configuring will
most certainly be implemented in shell.
Then call me !
I like shell PITAs. At least it will start to run everywhere by `/bin/sh'
(dash, busybox, bash, zsh,
* From: martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:37:54 +0200
* Organization: Debian GNU/Linux
also sprach Oleg Verych [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.05.31.1013 +0200]:
Then call me !
Do you have a POSIX-compatible solution to the problem of setting
variables inside while loops
On 2007-05-31 08:13, Oleg Verych wrote:
I like shell PITAs. At least it will start to run everywhere by
`/bin/sh' (dash, busybox, bash, zsh, whatever :)
How do you implement control sockets or listen on the netlink socket
with shell? Do you want to tail 'ip monitor'? Even if, how do you do
* From: Manoj Srivastava
* Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:04:01 -0500
* Organization: The Debian Project
[]
(I tend not to optimize before determining whether it is needed).
Even trailing whitespace your editor tend not to remove, before X
time ;)
[]
If someone wants to port my simple
* From: Manoj Srivastava
* Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:24:20 -0500
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:53:10 + (UTC), Oleg Verych
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Notes about original:
- `basename' doesn't work,
Why? It seems to work perfectly fine here.
__ basename
/usr/local/src/arch/packages
On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 04:24:20PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
[]
- `objdump' can handle one file at time (and not buggy).
I don't understand that comment.
,[ Manual page objdump(1) ]
| SYNOPSIS
|objdump [-a|--archive-headers] SNIP objfile...
| DESCRIPTION
|
* From: Steve Langasek
* Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 02:56:14 -0700
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 08:56:40AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
[]
Considering the number of bugs I see because of maintainers who don't
notice
they need to change package names due
* From: Steve Langasek
* Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 03:34:59 -0700
[]
FWIW, in the prototyping I did in the unixodbc package I made the symbol
version and the symbol name two separate fields separated by whitespace,
because this made it easier to generate files of this format with objdump -T
and a
* From: Julien Cristau
Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.devel.general
On Wed, Jun 6, 2007 at 17:50:26 +, Oleg Verych wrote:
Just as better alternative IMHO, please consider using `eu-readelf -ds`
from elfutils.
elfutils isn't build-essential. binutils is, and does the job, so it's
It was good to have ability to make simple dpkg-deb wrapper [0] (for
clean locales script). Moving further, it must be noted, that current way
dpkg uses dpkg-deb isn't optimal for any kind of pre-cleanup, such as:
- removing locales, mans;
- striping scripts (comments: they're already in the
* From: David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:15:08 -0400
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:00:17PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
On Sat, May 26, 2007 at 07:53:30PM -0400, David Nusinow wrote:
The only thing I've ever heard about helping out with the website is that
it's a
* From: Justin Emmanuel
* Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:55:01 +0100
Hallo, Justin. Hope, you are still here.
I am brand new to this mailing list, I joined it because I had an idea
that I would like to have considered. Moving apt to a relational
database, for several reasons.
Based on a
On 2007-06-09, Bastian Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jun 09, 2007 at 02:52:04AM +, Oleg Verych wrote:
Based on a relational database it will run faster,
First reason is faster. What if i'll say: based on tmpfs and
directory/file structure it will run even faster?
tmpfs
* From: Roger Leigh
* Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 22:48:49 +0100
Hi folks,
Hallo.
# Unmount all filesystem under specified location
# $1: mount base location
do_umount_all()
{
$LIBEXEC_DIR/schroot-listmounts -m $1 |
while read mountloc; do
if [ $AUTH_VERBOSITY = verbose ]; then
If was time, where string comparisons with void were ... with features.
|-*-
if [ x$a = 'x|' ]; then
|-*-
Yet arithmetic ones are still with them:
|-*-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ bash -c test '' -eq 0 ; echo \$?
bash: line 0: test: : integer expression expected
2
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$
* From: Russ Allbery
* Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:36:21 -0700
* Organization: The Eyrie
Bernd Zeimetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[]
there're also the google perftools[1], which are suppsed to work very
well and we have libgoogle-perftools in Debian.
Hoard is noticably better for OpenLDAP's
At least experimental package must be updated.
Is it maintainer's problem or it's a normal situation?
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Yet arithmetic ones are still with them:
|-*-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ bash -c test '' -eq 0 ; echo \$?
bash: line 0: test: : integer expression expected
2
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ dash -c test '' -eq 0 ; echo \$?
0
[EMAIL
* Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:24:24 + (UTC)
Yet arithmetic ones are still with them:
|-*-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ bash -c test '' -eq 0 ; echo \$?
bash: line 0: test: : integer expression expected
2
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ dash -c test '' -eq 0 ; echo \$?
0
[EMAIL
* Hamish Moffatt (Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:28:20 +1000)
On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 02:26:43AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Jul 05, Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marco Hope that some day we will switch to upstart.
Ok, so when do we switch to upstart?
Probably at the same time when we
* me (Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:22:21 +0200)
Maybe somebody interested in making dash use long int, thus enabling
wider range on 64bit platforms, while still having same on 32bit ones?
#329025 has a link to the standard, that states:
Precision and Operations , with the following exceptions:
* martin f krafft (Fri, 6 Jul 2007 07:57:57 +0200)
also sprach Oleg Verych [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007.07.05.1957 +0200]:
Unless i will see any kind of implemented proposal, i.e. tar or deb
that i can use/test on base installation, it's a *technical* problem.
So why don't you use your time
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:40:27 +0200
Maybe is it time to adopt some required tags in the mail subjects to filter
spamming activities? Something already adopted for the RT system indeed.
I also am thinking about something new in anti-spam case.
While i'm newbie, let me express the idea.
This require some work from sender's side, how is using plain MUA-ML
interaction. For things like Gmane or reportbug anti-spam rules are
customizable and known at least.
While defending against spam is being long enough on user's side [0],
why not to apply this little addition to sender's
This require some work from sender's side, how is using plain MUA-ML
interaction. For things like Gmane or reportbug anti-spam rules are
customizable and known at least.
While defending against spam is being long enough on user's side [0],
why not to apply this little addition to sender's
20-07-2007,
When I'm locking at the BTS, I sometimes get the feeling it was either
designed a long time ago,
Is it good or bad?
or that it was designed by real hardcore developers. Not that it isn't
effective, as when you have learned the whole system, you can query it
pretty fast, but the
p.s. if this is wrong list, please shoot me...
=20
So, please, don't just talk. Try to make something above average
first. Then try to support it for some time, then go back to your
questions, and know wise answers.
Not only you are very harsh and aggressive, but there is definitely
ways
[incensed ranting on the topic of web applications]
Oleg, your response doesn't seem to be in response to the message you
quoted.
A reply to off topic message to the development list. Insulting -- yes. Why?
In dry lanuage:
post your thoughts in your weblog, come here with patches
That's a
* Don Armstrong
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007, Oleg Verych wrote:
post your thoughts in your weblog, come here with patches
This is a list which is used to discuss development related issues.
The ability of users to report and discover bugs which affect them is
inextricably linked to development
* 21-07-2007, Steve Langasek
The scripts in /usr/share/bug/ are *created by the package maintainers to
collect information they believe should be present in bug reports about
their packages*. Asserting that maintainers have the option to ask for
more info is just stupid; the whole point of
21-07-2007, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] пишет:
--=-=-=
Oleg Verych [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please either address the points raised by the message you're replying
to, or don't.
IMHO that message was a hand waving not deserving reading. Thus i
dissagre, that i didn't addressed
Hallo.
Finally i've came up with a new solution, shared in dpkg-general [0].
It's only for those, who cares about having less bloated (yet functional)
rootfs. More ideas (and probably testing) is welcome.
[0] http://mid.gmane.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Amit Kumar Saha:
Hi all,
Has anyone started working on the Kernel Config Google SoC 2007
proposal listed at
http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2007/KernelConfigProposal?
There was some activity in debian-kernel, though i didn't follow that
list for summer.
Here are links on information i
The alternative approach is to modify the packages themselves, rather
than remove files after installation. See Emdebian:
http://www.emdebian.org/
Well, after download, before installation and using general purpose
archive.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-embedded/2007/05/msg00025.html
* Neil Williams:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:08:10 + (UTC)
Oleg Verych [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How that can be, without perl? I don't like perl, but it's a must for
Debian.
It ain't necessarily so.
;-)
Embedded devices don't need perl or ruby or python or
Yea, devices don't
* Neil Williams:
Yea, devices don't, software packages do...
Nah, we get around that too.
(cdebconf for one)
I must take a look, thanks. Current debconf (depends on perl, not only
perl-base, sigh) is ..., you know.
Then use busybox to replace adduser.
Tell it to package maintainers,
* Pierre Habouzit:
Well, bash is essential, so you have to have that one installed or else y=
ou
have to scan all your packages for uses of bash and convert them.
Let's make it a release goal !
In my TODO list. The quilt is one of main goals; not only bash-sh but
also awk-no awk. At least
* 31-07-2007, Marc Haber:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:09:10 + (UTC), Oleg Verych
- adduser is 48k of unreadable perl mess
As former maintainer of adduser, I take offense here. Adduser has
improved a lot in readability in the last three years.
This is a funny quote i've get from the `bts
02-08-2007, Peter Samuelson:
[Pierre Habouzit]
the 3 biggest problems I've seen are:
=20
* [[ for test, trivial: add it as a test alias, and also check for ]]
termination in the test.c builtin.
Ummm, [[ is not the same as [. (If they were the same, there would
have been no need to
02-08-2007, LoОc Minier:
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
*WTF* ? I mean why should I have every possible xserver video driver
You also have all possible kernel drivers built by the kernel image
installed; that's quite consistent with any hardware you plugin will
work. The
02-08-2007, Mike Hommey:
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 10:01:22AM +0200, Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
PS: I'm very fond of the apache (to be removed) Recommends. really.
especially on a notebook, it helps understanding how broken the
recommends chain is right now.
I
unset foo
[ -n $foo ] echo foo is non-empty
[[ -n $foo ]] echo foo is non-empty
As you can see, only the second one works.
[]
BTW, i've provided patch in the BTS for dash's test built-in to have
arithmetic checking of an empty argument and zero right. This was nearly
a month ago,
* Pierre Habouzit
* Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:22:05 +0200
[]
Yes, that sounds like a good idea. It might also be interesting to not
put those into the control.tar.gz, but directly into the deb, so that it
can easily be extracted.
OTOH that sucks because it would mean that we have to
* 07-08-2007, Andrei Popescu:
[]
Did you even try adding a directory? It might even work ;)
xmms2... Well, when we have a decent client, then can are an option.
Now, isn't it.
Same as with mpd :-/
Server is `(mu-)mplayer` (seek isn't working in ogg), client is `dd`,
playlist is small `sh`
04-09-2007, John Kelly:
On Sep 3, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
ti, 2007-09-04 kello 10:17 +0900, Miles Bader kirjoitti:
If the system is excessively anal about what passwords it will let you
use, people will just start writing them down...
That is arguably better than having passwords which can be
* Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:26:05 +0200
Hi,
Hallo.
it turned out the problem is in the XFS filesystem, that is 20x slower,
than the ext3 filesystem. I know that XFS is bad at handling small
files, but 20x times?
Try to play with parameters mentioned in laptop-mode.txt in the Linux
sources.
22-09-2007, Steinar H. Gunderson:
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 09:44:04AM +1245, Andreas Fleckl wrote:
It features the smallest possible size and memory requirements, the fastest
speed, and offers fairly good functionality.
Size and memory aside, I sort of doubt asmutils' sort is faster than
I like text mode. Not because X and vga (adapters) sux, but because i
have no art vision at all. I amazed by any trivial paining and drawing,
required in art/architecture courses (not by official art, though).
I happened to see some ascii art occasionally, never thought, that
there was/is some
23-09-2007, Bernd Zeimetz:
Some more context for compilers:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.devel/92499
I can confirm that it is not faster since I tested it once, I think 'wc' it
was. And it is definitely not portable to other platforms either :-)
Nevertheless the package brings
Hallo. I'm new here, let me in, please.
xfsprogs debian's maintainer left SGI and i don't know if he announced
anything about debian. Version in unstable is .11, while in upstream
it's already .16.
util-linux maintaining as in upstream as in debian isn't good, also.
Last one i'll try to update.
On 2006-11-18, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--envbJBWh7q8WU6mo
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
also sprach Lo=EFc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.11.18.1204 +0100]:
True; but IMO xfsprogs is
On 2006-11-21, Ian Jackson wrote:
Oleg Verych writes (Re: Question about Depends: bash):
o `arrays' bashizm - tmp=$@ ; set -- $ARRAY ; use_array $@ ; set -- $tmp
This is another piece of bad advice: this approach is buggy if the
arguments might contain whitespace, which is often the case (eg
On 2006-10-25, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
[]
+ p
+For arch dependent packages, ttbinary-arch/tt must
+exist, since it is used by the build daemons to auto
+*buld* packages. The ttbinary-indep/tt target should
+also exist.
On 2006-11-22, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
* Oleg Verych
| o `arrays' bashizm - tmp=$@ ; set -- $ARRAY ; use_array $@ ; set -- $tmp
This is in no way equivalent (with dash):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w$ set -- abcd efg hij
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w$ echo $@
abcd efg hij
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w$ echo $1
On 2006-11-22, Michelle Konzack wrote:
[]
I am using things like
Arrays
${#NAME}
In dash there is one, but i don't know about `*' and `@' there.
${parameter:-word}
${parameter:=word}
Both work.
${parameter:offset}
${parameter:offset:length}
Here you know what and where
On 2006-11-23, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
Hi all,
from the bash manpage:
/dev/tcp/host/port
If host is a valid hostname or Internet address, and port
is an integer port number or service name, bash attempts
to open a
From: Lars Wirzenius
Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.devel.general
Subject: Re: Attempts at security
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 14:05:30 +
Hallo.
On la, 2007-02-03 at 12:37 +0100, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Not being able to change the cause to the better doesn't mean to
introduce a mess
From: Hendrik Sattler
Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.devel.general
Subject: Re: X and non-X packages (Re: Attempts at security)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:59:01 +0100
Hallo, Hendrik.
Am Sonntag 04 Februar 2007 15:36 schrieb Oleg Verych:
I'm the one, who don't need X, but emacs21 is linked
From: Miles Bader
Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.devel.general
Subject: Re: Message header fields
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:08:09 +0900
Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Meanwhile, the message header is about the message *as an email
message*, and the From field is supposed to be about
04-09-2007, Adam D. Barratt:
On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 07:53 +, Oleg Verych wrote:
[...]
What about having more secure Debian's sshd_config by default?
PermitRootLogin no
You'll have to convince the openssh package maintainers first - see
#105571, #298138 and #431627 for their opinions
05-09-2007, Gabor Gombas:
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:26:41PM +, Oleg Verych: gmane reading wrote:
I.e *i don't care* about entering passwords on middle ground, without
knowing, WTF this installer may do with them, not having comfortable
environment for that _important_ action.
Thus i
06-08-2007, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho:
[]
Also note that packages intended for installation in a Debian system
should follow Debian policy. This may be nontrivial to achieve using an
automated system like (I assume) cmake.
See http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
What about
(-devel was added in case if somebody is interested)
06-09-2007, Don Armstrong:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007, Oleg Verych (Gmane) wrote:
Should i reopen/post/close? Or additional info just not needed for
thousands of users and indexing search engines?
If there's a valid reason to add more information
* 18-09-2007, Bernd Zeimetz
* User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4)
Gecko/20070828 Thunderbird/2.0.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0
* Allow messages, that have In-reply-to and References with valid
message-id's (SHOULD in rfc2822) to pass to bts/ml freely.
Why? This can be
19-09-2007, Bruce Sass:
[]
I like this too. Finding what a package has just installed is one
of the biggest holes in Debian right now, IMO. I have to use dpkg
-L to figure this out, and that's just too crude to be a real
solution.
Too crude? That's a simple command, easily found in a
21-09-2007, Bruce Sass:
On Thu September 20 2007 09:25:23 pm Oleg Verych (Gmane) wrote:
19-09-2007, Bruce Sass:
I'm hoping the dpkg triggers functionality Ian Jackson has been
working on will help solve that wart though.
How exactly?
Exactly? I don't know. I haven't followed what
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