Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

2017-12-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:46 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > * splitting non-free in subsets; > * adding a non-free-firmware area; I think we don't want either of these, instead we should *add* additional Packages files for each of the classes of non-free things that people want to be able to

Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

2017-12-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:18 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: > On 04.12.2017 19:03, Holger Levsen wrote: >> yes, I also agree this would work and be better than the status-quo. >> however I'm inclined to believe doing this and adding a fourth repo, >> non-free-firmware (additionally to main, contrib and

Re: ISO download difficult (was: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint))

2017-12-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Yes, I've never managed to get d-i to find firmware I've put on a USB > myself, and always resorted to this approach. I never got around to > reading the source to figure out where it expects to look (nor to > improve the docs etc.) The

Re: Should tasks be considered harmful?

2017-12-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Bjørn Mork wrote: > No, not really. I want the installation to end up with a *more* > predictable set of packages. Attempting to do any sort of harware based > package selection will result in less predictability. Understood. > Imagine a Debian user trying to

Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

2017-12-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Are we promoting hardware that *doesn't* require non-free firmware (not > drivers, there is an important distinction) at the moment? On our website, we don't promote hardware, just people/companies that you can pay to install Debian for

Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

2017-12-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > IMHO, we need to go (more) one way or the other. We either reaffirm that > firmware is in-scope for our DFSG values and stop compromising it with > the non-free install images, or we look to revise the DFSG in line with > modern realities

Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

2017-12-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 5:22 AM, Marc Haber wrote: > Debian is also about providing an Universal Operating System, and I > have seen BIG installations of Debian on server farms moving to PragBF > because the Broadcom network chips on those servers required people > jumping through hoops while

Re: Should tasks be considered harmful?

2017-12-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote: > But how would a user without any previous knowledge of modemmanager or > Linux networking be able to figure this out? It sounds like you are looking for isenkram to be integrated into the installer so that the knowledge of which package maps to

Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

2017-11-30 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 1:36 AM, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote: > * no support for the wifi interface of the dekstop machine (this was > expected, fixed by installing non-free package by hand, since no > network) It would have been best for him to download the ISO with non-free firmware embedded,

Re: please check links and text in Spanish.wml

2017-11-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:19 AM, eamanu15 . wrote: > I am new.. Where can I join to start contribute with commits? There is a > team in alioth? I can commit directly to anonscm repo? Please read the instructions for website contributors and website translators and send any translation updates

Accepted flasm 1.62-10 (source) into unstable

2017-11-22 Thread Paul Wise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 09:54:16 +0800 Source: flasm Binary: flasm Architecture: source Version: 1.62-10 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> Changed-By: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org>

Re: Proposed change of offensive packages to -offensive

2017-11-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Phil Wyett wrote: > In my honest opinion, rating certain content types within a package should be > done along the lines of PEGI[1]. A self regulatory rating done as part of a > social policy and administered by the particular packages maintainer. All > subsequent

Accepted flasm 1.62-9 (source) into unstable

2017-11-22 Thread Paul Wise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 16:20:32 +0800 Source: flasm Binary: flasm Architecture: source Version: 1.62-9 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> Changed-By: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org>

Re: Removing Qt4 in Buster

2017-10-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > Just bundle the libs, as you would do on Windows, and you'll be fine (wrt > Qt, not wrt libc, but that's a separate problem). After all, running > software compiled on a different system was never fully supported even if > the

Re: I'm not MIA

2017-10-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > However, I cannot find your mail to debian-private in *my* archives. I > have not checked the official archives, perhaps there's a problem with > my mail set up. My archives do have the mail. -- bye, pabs

Re: allowed uses of non-baseline CPU extensions

2017-10-23 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:25 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: > I think that's a very important observation. I don't think you can > necessarily conclude that the system where the package is initially > installed is the system were the code is executed. Indeed. > You argued in #873733[1] that you'd

Re: RFP: pgadmin4 -- Web administration tool for PostgreSQL

2017-10-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Alexander Wirt wrote: > My company (credativ) released Elephant Shed [1] on Friday which is an > Opensource, Debian Based Postgressql Appliance. My colleague packaged > pgadmin4 in that process and we will probably polish those packages in the > next weeks to

Re: New package, name recycling

2017-10-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:59 PM, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > a package "dino" in Debian This seems like a fairly generic name. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Concerns about infrastructure for Alioth replacement

2017-10-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Alexander Wirt wrote: > Please don't get me wrong, but even if gitlab packages are recent tomorrow > (which I > don't think) we won't migrate. The work is done and we have all the things in > place to maintain them. So please do me a favour and don't mention

Re: Alioth: the future of mailing lists

2017-10-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2017-10-12 at 12:04 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > Could anybody provide VMs as a service to a group of DDs? Several companies provide hosting for Debian services: https://wiki.debian.org/ServicesHosting#Outside_the_Debian_infrastructure -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Bug#877977: RFP: node-web-ext -- build, run, and test web extensions

2017-10-08 Thread Paul Wise
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: pkg-mozext-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org, pkg-javascript-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org * Package name: node-web-ext Version : 2.0.0 Upstream Author : Mozilla * URL :

Re: Bug#877212: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

2017-10-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Pirate Praveen wrote: > I regularly get FTBFS when tests that require network access fail on > buildds. So I'm not sure what is the basis of your assertion. Do you have an example build log illustrating this? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: allowed uses of non-baseline CPU extensions

2017-10-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: > Any thoughts? A better place to put isa-support might be in an apt plugin that detects packages being installed that declare for example CPU-Flags: SSE4.1 and prevents installing them unless in a chroot (for d-i or debootstraps) and has an

Re: e2fsprogs as Essential: yes?

2017-10-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Michael Stone wrote: > If e2fsprogs goes non-essential I'd rather see a new package for the > filesystem-indpendent parts than have random packages depending on > "ext2/ext3/ext4 file system utilities" because they want chattr. (Side note: > if the fs-independent

Accepted autorevision 1.21-1 (source) into unstable

2017-10-01 Thread Paul Wise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 13:54:10 +0800 Source: autorevision Binary: autorevision Architecture: source Version: 1.21-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> Changed-By: Paul Wise <p...@d

Re: debian/control file: how to selectively suppress recommends?

2017-09-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:28 PM, Marcel Partap wrote: > Any ideas how to block installation of only some packages' recommendations? I assume that adding Breaks or Conflicts to your meta-packages for the packages you do not like should do the trick. You can even go one step further and add

Re: Requirements for simple ncurses/console applications for entering Debian?

2017-09-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:47 PM, spartrekus spartrekus wrote: > > I would like to bring few of my applications, only reliable, stable, > programmes to the world of Debian. > > Which requirement list should be carefully observed in order to enter the > debian stage processing for new applications.

Re: alioth down?

2017-09-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > what is the reason why alioth.debian.org can't be reached? https://wiki.debian.org/TopicDebianDevel?action=diff=1931=1932 * Alioth currently rebooting/fscking -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Debian distro build system

2017-09-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:26 AM, Aaron Gray wrote: > I am wanting to build a Debian rootfs and possibly whole distro for x86, > amd64, and ARM HF and EL. Specifically with Debian Installer. The standard way to create a Debian install is to download and boot the Debian installer (d-i):

Re: Alioth: the future of mailing lists

2017-09-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Instead we should use @packages.debian.org. If the Maintainer field is going to be completely deterministic based on the package name, we should probably just change dak/BTS/etc to mail those addresses instead of making dak put those

Re: for the future of Debian Live

2017-09-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Washington Feitosa wrote: > please do not stop the production of Debian Live in the next distributions. I would encourage you to get involved in the Debian Live testing and development. Join the mailing list and IRC channel and introduce yourself and state your

Re: How to start a new packaging team now?

2017-09-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 2:35 AM, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote: > What is the status of this migration ? which solution was selected ? It is still being worked on and no announcement has been made yet. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: SDL2 Libraries issue

2017-09-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 3:36 AM, Aushana.Jr.1026 wrote: > Please provide me with some assistance! Please ask for help on the Ubuntu support channels: https://www.ubuntu.com/support/community-support -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: distributing .buildinfo files (Re: Bad interaction between pbuilder/debhelper/dpkg-buildinfo/dpkg-genchanges and dak on security-master)

2017-09-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2017-09-02 at 21:48 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > So I suppose we talk about 13 GB[1] of static content in about 1.7M > > files. Is that something that could be distributed through > > static.debian.org if there are concerns around inodes for the main > > mirrors? Given that they would

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-30 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:59 PM, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:31:15PM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: >> I think the sanity check that fails today is a) free implementations of >> the RAR algorithm exist so this is unnecessary > > I'm not familiar with the details, but I know some

Re: Mail templates

2017-08-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 3:52 AM, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 09:19:23PM +0200, Anon Andme wrote: >> Please stop sending emails to this address. I did not subscribe to this > I replied this email off-list. It might be simpler to respond to unsubscribe requests by pasting

Accepted glewmx 1.13.0-4 (source) into unstable

2017-08-27 Thread Paul Wise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 08:12:59 +0800 Source: glewmx Binary: libglewmx1.13 libglewmx-dev Architecture: source Version: 1.13.0-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> Changed-By: Paul W

Re: OpenSSL disables TLS 1.0 and 1.1

2017-08-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > This will likely break certain things that for whatever reason > still don't support TLS 1.2. I strongly suggest that if it's not > supported that you add support for it, or get the other side to > add support for it. This has broken the

Re: New archive key for wheezy generated

2017-08-20 Thread Paul Wise
2017-08-16 5:15 GMT-04:00 bogdan: > My name is bogdan .i need help. Please contact Debian user support for help: https://www.debian.org/support -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Proposal: A new approach to differential debs

2017-08-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 5:38 AM, Adrian Bunk wrote: > It sounds like something that would have been a cool feature 20 years > ago when I was downloading Debian updates over an analog modem. > > Today the required effort, infrastructure and added complexity would > IMHO not be worth it for a

Re: Can Ubuntu font be added to a Debian repository?

2017-08-08 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Garrett R. wrote: > Is there a good reason why Ubuntu font is not found in Debian repositories? Looks like it requires proprietary software to build the font from source:

Re: Embedded library copies - mergerfs

2017-08-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Antonio SJ Musumeci wrote: > My users span several generations of Debian (and other) Linux distributions. > Early 2.9.X versions of libfuse had bugs which led to "random" crashes. > These versions are still in wide use (I get 2.8.x users on occasion too). > Over

Re: Automatic way to install dbgsym packages for a process?

2017-08-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote: > Is there some tool that parses /proc/maps and the build-ids fields from > the apt repository to determine which dbgsym packages to install? Not AFAIK but I guess that Fedora probably has a script for this somewhere. The service to map

Re: Windows viruses in Debian email packages [from Misc Developer News (#44)]

2017-08-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Steve Robbins wrote: > The news item doesn't specify what to do after scanning, but the referenced > bug requests removal of the offending material. Personally I would recommend removal, especially since most (but not all) malware is not DFSG-free. If the malware

Re: Maintainer information in source packages (was: Re: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans)

2017-08-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > So I have been wondering several times whether we should move the > maintainer information elsewhere. For example, tracker.d.o could be > extended to record maintainer information. It could also understand > the concept of "teams"

Accepted gravitation 3+dfsg1-5 (source) into unstable

2017-08-01 Thread Paul Wise
hanged-By: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> Description: gravitation - game about mania, melancholia, and the creative process Closes: 776872 Changes: gravitation (3+dfsg1-5) unstable; urgency=medium . * Fix build reproducibility issues due to use of imagemagick (Closes: #776872) Ch

Accepted passage 4+dfsg1-3 (source) into unstable

2017-08-01 Thread Paul Wise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 10:43:37 -0400 Source: passage Binary: passage Architecture: source Version: 4+dfsg1-3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Debian Games Team <pkg-games-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org> Changed-By

Accepted primrose 6+dfsg1-4 (source) into unstable

2017-08-01 Thread Paul Wise
hanged-By: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> Description: primrose - compelling tile-placement puzzle game Closes: 778481 Changes: primrose (6+dfsg1-4) unstable; urgency=medium . * Fix build reproducibility issues due to use of imagemagick (Closes: #778481) Ch

Accepted flasm 1.62-8 (source) into unstable

2017-07-29 Thread Paul Wise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 23:20:39 -0400 Source: flasm Binary: flasm Architecture: source Version: 1.62-8 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> Changed-By: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org>

Re: User-installable Debian packages?

2017-07-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Steffen Möller wrote: > If flatpak is an answer - great. But from what I get, there is no automated > transformation from .deb to it, so we would need to decide for packaging > in that different format instead of our regular effort. We could probably leverage

Re: Running tests with xvfb

2017-07-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Jeff wrote: > I did that six months ago: > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=857620 Looks like that received no responses, you might want to re-test with the latest Xorg in sid/experimental and forward the results to nouveau upstream. -- bye,

Re: Running tests with xvfb

2017-07-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Jeff wrote: > I have a package whose tests crash X on my machine, which uses nouveau. This sounds like an Xorg/nouveau bug, please do report it: http://x.debian.net/howto/report-bugs.html -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: User-installable Debian packages?

2017-07-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Steffen Möller wrote: > user-installable packages That sounds like Flatpak/Snappy/etc. I would wager most Debian packages are not bit-for-bit identical when you vary the installation prefix (and Debian build tools don't support doing that AFAICT), but you can

Re: Debian built from non-Debian sources

2017-07-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Making images often requires tweaks to the build script at/near > release time. The archive continues to be a moving target until very > close to that time. More than once we've fixed things or added > workarounds in the image generation

Re: Crossgrading in stretch

2017-07-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 2:36 AM, Jose M Calhariz wrote: > Anyone have recently done a Crossgrading in stretch? I have not, but I think it would be interesting to have automated testing of individual packages via piuparts.d.o and various default configurations via jenkins.d.n. -- bye, pabs

Re: Declarative packaging (Was: Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not using strict mode)

2017-06-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: > The common expectation in Debian is, that we expect packages to be > "usable" after installation. Which means we often intermix installation > with configuration, which is typically done via maintainer scripts. > > This makes it very hard

Re: Subject: UMASK 002 or 022?

2017-06-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:21 AM, gwmfms6 wrote: > Paul, you seemed to indicate that you were able to set a different "user > default" umask in Stretch that's respected by gnome apps like gedit? No, I didn't indicate that. See my other reply for clarification. -- bye, pabs

Re: Subject: UMASK 002 or 022?

2017-06-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:59 PM, gwmfms6 wrote: > You didn't notice because you run umask from your shell configuration? I should clarify, I meant bash shell not gnome-shell. > In other words, you have a working umask in Stretch? In my terminals yes, but not in apps launched from the GUI. >

Re: Subject: UMASK 002 or 022?

2017-06-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Ian Jackson wrote: > The appropriate default umask is 002 if the user's primary group is > named after the user, or 022 otherwise. AFAICT, neither of these achieve what the initiator of the thread wants to achieve; no read access by other users to one's files on

Re: Subject: UMASK 002 or 022?

2017-06-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:11 AM, gwmfms6 wrote: > I'd like to know why giving the world (Other) read access is even under > consideration. If user wants a file to have Other readability this should be > on the user to set it, but it should not be the default. I expect for most Debian

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not using strict mode

2017-06-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Ralf Treinen wrote: > we currently have in sid 84 maintainer scripts not using strict mode. > That is, they neither start on "#!/bin/[ba]sh -e", nor do a "set -e". > The list is attached. This list includes the 12 remaining scripts not > starting on #! (bugs are

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not using strict mode

2017-06-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:37 AM, Christoph Biedl wrote: > Let's be honest: Shell scripts, while easy to write, carry too many > risks of unsafe programming. So while your proposed fixing is a step in > the right direction, this is all just band-aid. We (as in Debian) should > look forward and try

Re: Possible bug

2017-06-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Alessio Abrugiati wrote: > Hi, I found an error in installing a live 9.0.1 but only with qemu, with > qemu not working the mirror part. Please file an installation report using these instructions: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apas04.html.en --

Re: Help me

2017-06-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 12:05 AM, МБУЗ ГКБ № 1 wrote: > Hi no work in Debian 8.8 > No start firebird 2.5 classic and super error Please contact our support channels for help diagnosing the error: https://www.debian.org/support Once you have diagnosed where the problem is, you can report a bug:

Re: Please add lzip support in the repository

2017-06-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 9:05 PM, Christoph Biedl wrote: > I'm not keen on extending regular expressions like > > \.(gz|bz2|lzma|xz)$ > > that I have in many places again and again. That sort of hard-coding should stop, if you see it somewhere please switch to using apt, either via the apt

Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)

2017-06-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > bash-completion: bash dput-ng licensecheck > * DEBATABLE: I like the Tab key to do something reasonable, > "bash-completion" means you never know what you'll get. I definitely would not want to run a Debian system that didn't have

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > For a number of years, we've been linking to the amd64/i386 netinst > installer image from the front page. Seems reasonable, perhaps with a small link for other options. > I'm *also* tempted to switch from the netinst to the first DVD

Re: /root directory

2017-06-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:08 PM, José Vieira wrote: > In the Debian tutorials, somewhere in the Debian file system[1] page it > states: > 1. https://www.debian-tutorials.com/debian-file-system FYI, this page isn't maintained by Debian so we can't fix it. You might want to leave a comment on

Re: What does "freeze" mean?

2017-06-05 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Hans wrote: > I know, debian is now on freeze. But what does this actually mean? These links should help with getting an idea about that: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives#s-testing https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/

Re: Quantic

2017-05-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Maxime Vitrac wrote: > Is there a "quantic" group or something like that? Could you explain what you mean by quantic? If you are talking about mathematics, the Debian Science team might be interesting to you. https://www.debian.org/blends/

Accepted check-all-the-things 2017.05.20 (source) into unstable

2017-05-20 Thread Paul Wise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 17:33:18 +0800 Source: check-all-the-things Binary: check-all-the-things Architecture: source Version: 2017.05.20 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> Changed-By: Pau

Re: Packaging of libraries with unstable ABI (D, Rust, Go, ...)

2017-05-18 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:37 PM, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > Unfortunately though, the D language ABI isn't stable, so any future > compiler update might break the software in weird ways unless all D > software is recompiled when a new compiler is released. > To make things worse, D also has three

Re: Bug#862775: ITP: visitors -- OCaml syntax extension for object-oriented visitors

2017-05-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:51 AM, Ralf Treinen wrote: > * Package name: visitors > Version : 20170404 FYI, there was already a visitors source package in Debian (RMed after jessie) so I would suggest using a less generic source name, maybe ocaml-visitors.

Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth?

2017-05-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > Right. IIRC that was said to me at Debconf16 about Debian-specific > services (such as ci.debian.net which was the context of my question). Yeah, for codebases maintained by the service maintainer not having packages seems reasonable

Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth?

2017-05-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > This is a common misconception. DSA does *not* require that the service > is packaged. On the contrary, they say it's better if the service is > *not* from a package because this way the service admin does not need to > have root access

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

2017-05-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Medical Wei wrote: > I think we need to start having a catchphrase Check: $ curl -s https://www.debian.org/ | grep '' Debian -- The Universal Operating System > What I know is that we have revised our design but that is not attractive > enough. We revised

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

2017-05-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:12 PM, lumin wrote: > https://www.debian.org/ > > We are the last major distro that move to systemd as the > default init system. And now we are the last major distro > that keeps an old design of homepage. I'd like to point out that what you are seeing is the *new*

Accepted check-all-the-things 2017.01.15.1 (source) into unstable

2017-04-27 Thread Paul Wise
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:34:00 +0800 Source: check-all-the-things Binary: check-all-the-things Architecture: source Version: 2017.01.15.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: high Maintainer: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> Changed-By: Pau

Re: I need your advice

2017-04-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Pavlo Solntsev wrote: > will not work so easily. I need to rebuild libgda and glib. It is > doable but, as you understands, I would prefer leave this solution as > my last chance. Both of these are in Debian already, you might want to file bugs asking to get the

Re: I need your advice

2017-04-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Pavlo Solntsev wrote: > I need your advice about development under Debian. I use testing repo. > My desktop environment is Gnome and I contribute to some Gnome's > projects. For me the big challenge is to work with upstream libraries. > Basically, questions lays

Re: policy for shipping sysctl.d snippets in packages?

2017-04-25 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Christian Seiler wrote: > But this is a much more general problem. A lot of software in Debian > ships configuration files in /etc that look like this: > > # > # Setting ABC > # > #ABC = 123 I always thought that Debian shipping what is essentially documentation

Re: Bug#761348: ftp.debian.org: need machine-readable metadata about suites & repositories

2017-04-21 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, 2017-04-21 at 09:28 +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote: > pabs, what’s the current status on this? Mostly at the 'collecting information' stage; about what hard-coding exists and what requirements there might be etc. > AFAICT, you mentioned you wanted to come up with a spec on the >

Re: Bug#857508: ITP: gnome-games-app -- Game browser and launcher for GNOME

2017-04-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Evgeni Golov wrote: > Why not retire the gnome-games metapackage if it was only for upgrades? > As far as I can see it, the real package is in wheezy, and since jessie > we have the transitional one. Same will apply for stretch. And for buster > you can safely

Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"

2017-04-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 7:22 AM, Russell Stuart wrote: > Anyway, this discussion prompted me to get off my bum and look at why > unattended-upgrades wasn't working. Turns out the default install has > "label=Debian-Security", and all these laptops are running testing. I > guess the assumption

Re: Database of all (historic) package versions - dak?

2017-04-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Philipp Hahn wrote: > do we (or someone else) have a database of all (source-)packages and > their versions ever released in a Debian suite? snapshot.d.o is approximately that, but it doesn't have everything: http://snapshot.debian.org/ You can interact with it

Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"

2017-04-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Chris Lamb wrote: > There's a very active conversation happening on Hacker News right > now entitled «What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?»: > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14002821 There is a followup and some analysis of the thread here:

Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"

2017-04-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 4:47 AM, Sean Whitton wrote: > Do you know if anyone is working on including this in the default > desktop install? If it works well, it seems like an uncontroversial > inclusion that does not depend on the debate over unattended-upgrades. > I don't know which package

Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"

2017-04-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Sean Whitton wrote: > Fixing #744753 would ensure systems got the updates. > The only issue then is restarting the applications. needrestart and needrestart-session handles that. There are also many other implementations but needrestart seems to be the most

Re: Convenient access to Debian keyrings

2017-04-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 7:06 AM, gregor herrmann wrote: > % crontab -l | grep debian-keyring > 30 17 * * * /usr/bin/rsync -rlptDq > "keyring.debian.org::keyrings/keyrings/*.gpg" > /home/gregoa/.gnupg/debian-keyring The rsync protocol is unencrypted, I'd suggest switching this to SSH (one colon

Re: translator

2017-03-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Gaga Tavxelidze wrote: > Do you need Georgian-English translator? The Debian Installer has some support for Georgian, if you would like to volunteer your time to work on improving it, please see the links on this wiki page:

Re: Rethinking dynamic linking a bit (was: Re: Depends/Recommends from libraries)

2017-03-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Christian Seiler wrote: > For $DAYJOB I had to work on Mac OS X a bit, and they have an interesting > feature there: weakly binding to a shared library. Apparently Solaris has support for optional shared libraries:

Re: Coorperation

2017-03-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:21 AM, 李松林 wrote: > I am a sales from Archermind Technology , we work together with Mstar , > and we want to debug Debian os , If you have a specific issue with Debian, please report a bug about it: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting If you are not sure which

Accepted needrestart-session 0.3-4.1 (source) into unstable

2017-03-14 Thread Paul Wise
hanged-By: Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> Description: needrestart-session - check for processes need to be restarted in user sessions Closes: 787291 857703 Changes: needrestart-session (0.3-4.1) unstable; urgency=medium . * Non-maintainer upload. * Fix path to needrestart, now shows same res

Re: Post-stretch mass bug filing: build-depending on automake1.11

2017-03-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 1:36 AM, Simon McVittie wrote: > Most of the packages that I've glanced at so far seem to have moved > from an ancient version (often automake1.4 or automake1.9) to 1.11. > In the past, Automake had a tendency to break compatibility > between minor releases, making it

Re: Post-stretch mass bug filing: build-depending on automake1.11

2017-03-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 1:36 AM, Simon McVittie wrote: > Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> >warzone2100 (U) I've talked to folks on the upstream IRC channel and it appears to be compatible with automake 1.14 so the latest version will probably work. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Bits from the DPL -- January-February 2017

2017-03-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:58 AM, jathan wrote: > Hello. If I want to organize a Bug Squashing Party in my city, it could > be in any month before July 2017? Thanks and regards. You can organise a BSP at any time, but obviously before the release is more helpful to the release :) -- bye, pabs

Re: Release file for own backport repository?

2017-03-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Joerg Desch wrote: > After this, "apt-get update" prints the error (jessie expected but jessie- > backports received): Did you also update your sources.list? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Depends/Recommends from libraries

2017-03-08 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: > out of the box. Unfortunately we don't have a well supported mechanism > which would install such hardware-enablement packages when the hardware > is plugged in. Is the AppStream hardware support stuff not well supported in the desktops?

Re: Non-free RFCs in stretch

2017-03-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > A package can only be in a single section. That wouldn't prevent adding subsetted Packages files: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free/firmware non-free/docs Types: deb URIs: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ Suites:

Re: mining system information of bugs

2017-02-22 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:16 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: > Anything else you'd want me to get? Core counts for >1? UTC hours or days > of week when bugs are filed? Kernels that've been in the archive vs those > that haven't? I'd be interested in stats of Debian releases, preferred suites, apt

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