ault it is set to nis, but you can use ldap if you want. :)
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the rate of increase have not slowed down yet. I guess people are
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want to participate.
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standalone package reporting when the machine is installed or
something like that, instead of weekly.
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not this list. :)
I have not seen any arguments from Google myself, but I have not
looked for it either.
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GPL. And a google earth clone is rather useless without permission to
fetch data from google.
I recommend earth3d and the NASA worldwind spinoffs if you want free
map data. :)
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with LDAP users.
Switching to dash as /bin/sh gave us a nice surprise with reduced
memory consumption and faster boots as well, but that was not the
reason why we switched.
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opularity-contest HTTP collector. The
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> now by default?
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> Is this a bug or is there a Grand Plan^© behind the way Deb did it?
> Will it ever work?
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I would say the bug is in the user expectations, not in the use of
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symlink seem like the bug to me. :)
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I take this as an indication that the amount of people not using
popcon is almost the same across all archs. :)
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I'm not sure if missed this argument, choose to ignore it, or do not
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current bottleneck. I'm not sure, as I only see it from the outside
through http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html>.
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feature? I would like to point the debian-edu developers to it.
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> Doesn't policy violation warrant Critical severity?
Well, policy isn't a stick to beat other maintainers with, it is a
tool to make sure our packages are well integrated and work properly.
Thus, policy issues are not problems by themselves, they are policy
issues because
triggered by the packages with this
lintian message? Is the autobuilders able to build these packages?
If the autobuilders fail, I recommend you report that as a important
or serious problem, and it it isn't, I recommend you report it as a
normal bug.
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> Unless d-bus started to support this during the last month, setting
> plugdev via PAM will not always work (only when using pmount). Same
> probably goes for network-manager and its netdev group.
:(
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What about convincing the upstream developers to change the license to
one of the free software licenses? It would solve the problem for
good.
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[Gernot Salzer]
> what is the standard/canonical way of handling device permissions
> in Debian ("etch" in my case) on desktop PCs running a GUI?
As you probably found out from the replies so far, there is no
standard way. :(
Here are some notes I wrote for Debian Edu. You might find it useful.
[martin f kraft]
> This script, along with symlinks from halt and reboot, lives in
> /usr/local/sbin on all my systems
Replacing halt might be a bit risky, as the story in
http://bugs.debian.org/354163> document. :)
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indicate 67 bugs.
> The false positives so far
So far. How many of these cases did you manually inspect?
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sysv-rc system behave the way it does because Solaris did it when the
Debian boot system was written, and it was used as the example. I
guess that is as good explanation as any on the historical reasons for
the strange setup in the Debian boot system.
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The nice thing about documenting dependencies is that we can
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packages. :)
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attach the output:
ls -ld /etc/network
ls -l /etc/network/interfaces
I have no idea what can be the problem, but having more information
might provide some clue.
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Besides, there is like 18000 binary packages in Etch already. It is
not like we are short on packages in the next release. :)
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he nfs
> mount is nosuid, but still, I find this a bit scary.
You are right. The groups in use on an NFS mounted directory should
be the same across all machines. So you should avoid making any files
with those gids on NFS-exported file system.
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if you are not doing so already.
I suspect there are some packages that can be dropped from the first
CD, like obsolete libraries etc, to make room for more useful
packages. At least that is my experience with Debian Edu.
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definitely a bug in the X server too. Because of this I do not
understand why the bug is filed against gnash. :)
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send me off to some "upgrade your flash" page. :(
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listed in
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welcome more test pages. :)
I have not seen this problem myself, but I guess that might be because
I have powerful machines. :)
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ash pages, and upstream is improving it every day. :)
And it even work with amd64 CPUs. :)
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default installation system, to avoid confusing new users
unnecessarily.
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The programs killall5, last, lastb, mesg, pidof and sulogin are moved.
they are used independently from init, and I believe it make sense to
make them available in a separate package.
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JFYI.
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> Yes, I know there won't be w32codecs package in Debian, but even
> mplayer would be great addition.
I agree, but understand and accept that the license issues need to be
checked before it is accepted into debian.
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re are 84
packages with mplayer in the name reported, and some of the are
alternative pcakages (like mplayer-586), so the installation base for
mplayer might be higher than 22%.
I used the numbers in http://popcon.debian.org/by_inst.gz>.
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> Here is the list of packages in sarge with directories in /var/run/,
> according to the file on merkel:
I got the commands used by Andreas Metzler to extract packages in
sarge with files or directories in /var/run/, and ran the it on etch.
These are the 159 pa
mount a tmpfs as /var/run/ and
/var/lock/.
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subdirectories there to create it before they use it instead of when
the package is installed.
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wackamole whereami
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mountroot
K06klogd K20makedevK30urandom K36ifupdownK90reboot
K07sysklogd K20sendsigs K31umountnfs.sh K40umountfsREADME
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2.86.ds1-19.
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sy solution to check and fix all involved packages at once?
You can look in /var/log/dpkg.log for the packages that was removed,
and reinstall them.
Again, sorry for the mess. :(
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awk '/ upgrade / { print $4 } / installed / { print $5 }' | sort -u
These packages, if they contain an init.d script, are the ones needing
a reinstall.
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> A quick way out is to reinstall all the packages with scripts in
> /etc/init.d/.
This way proved to be too quick, trying to reinstall removed but not
purged packages with init.d scripts left behind in /etc/init.d/. I
recommend using something like this instead, t
t-get --reinstall install package' on the affected packages. A
quick way out is to reinstall all the packages with scripts in
/etc/init.d/.
for p in `dpkg -S /etc/init.d/*|cut -d: -f1|sort -u`; do
apt-get --reinstall install -y $p
done
I'm sorry for the problems I have caused.
Frien
figuration. I don't think it's possible to express
> that with LSB-style initscripts, unfortunately.
Actually, I've implemented the concept of override files in inssert, a
program reading these headers, and the local admin can add a file in
/etc/ to modify the configuration.
r, /etc/rc2.d/S20inetd. The script
can't handle those. I'll modify it to make sure that isn't a fatal
problem in the next release of insserv.
> i get the same error even without -o option...
>
> i've tested it on PPC, the insserv version is 1.08.0-1
Thanks for te
fo, remove the
-o flag.
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an be installed
>> automatically on request.
>
> I look forward to that!
Volunteers welcome. :)
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automatically on request.
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make it possible to install a minimal installation like the
diskless LTSP clients without such package. We want these clients
booting on 32 MiB of ram, including the ramdisk, so every KiB of
memory saved counts. :)
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> I don't know about the installer, but all filesystems I created with
> mke2fs recently also have resize_inode, which isn't even in the
> tune2fs manpage.
The default was recently changed in /etc/mke2fs.conf. It make life
with LVM a lot easier. :)
F
nly look
up users and groups present in /etc/passwd and /etc/group, and
libnss-ldap should be configured to not try so long before it give up.
I'm not sure what changed, but libnss-ldap with openldap on the same
machine work just fine both in woody and sarge.
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upgrading to a new version of the package.
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available on the first CD as well.
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hopefully get them to realize why they should fix it in time for
etch. :)
I suspect you might wait in wane if you expect someone else to do
it. :)
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ling in Debian
packages more consistent. In Debian-Edu, we install and automatically
configure several services with SSL certiciates, like imap, ldap and
webmin, and it is a pain to handle all the ways SSL-certificates are
generated. :)
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> Affected packages are:
[...]
> Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>plan
How did you conclude that it depend on lesstif1? Its build depend is
'lesstif2-dev | lesstif-dev', to make sure it build with any version
of debian, but I believe i
n comments, the initscripts-ng project is a better place for
this topic. CC to it, and lets continue the discussion there.
A similar system to yours was proposed by Olivier Sessink. Check out
The thread starting at
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/initscripts-ng-devel/2005-November/000225
or all the existing installations using the
official LTSP packages from the LTSP project (as opposed to the muekow
approach we are working on in Debian.
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one and desktop-kde tasks are the most relevant for
your live CD, thought I know we have discussed having live CDs for
thin client servers to allow them to be completely without local
state.
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ish the
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SUN Java to the schools until the point where a free alternative exist
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> or some hosts have popularity-contest installed from pure upstream sources
> instead from a popularity-contest debian package, thus don't have it
> registered with the dpkg db.
That would seriously surprise me, as popularity-contest only is
distributed as a Debian package, an
ssible
to enable.
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> Which, I'm sure, is important for popcon maintainers; however, I
> don't think it is very relevant in this discussion (unless you can
> point me towards an editor that is implemented as a library ;-)
The problem do not only affect libraries. There are other packages
(with user
evelopers believe platform
independence and standard compliance is a good thing, so patches are
almost always accepted when submitted. :)
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some directories (like */bin/, but not */lib/*), so most library
packages will never get a vote, and most user packages will get votes.
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these approaches actually improve the boot time. :)
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to dash next spring. :)
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ce the content of the video memory
with the new content.
> Anybody there who is working on it.
I have no idea. I'm not sure if anyone in the X consider it a
problem.
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> Generate the key for 2007 on 1st of December 2006. This gives everyone
> a month to get the new key before it's used.
One month is not enough. CD distributions, offline and stable
machines do not get updated every month.
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[Hendrik Sattler]
> Should kdebluetooth fix the include statements or should the
> openobex.pc file say that "includedir=${prefix}/include/openobex"?
If the API documentation say , then kdebluetooth
should use that when including the header.
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[Olaf van der Spek]
> So what do you think about long-term ignored bug reports? Do you
> think that should not be considered any issue/problem?
It is definitely something we should try to address. When I run into
those myself for issues that are important to me, I try to contact the
maintainer,
end enough time
working with the developer and maintainer to get him to give the task
enough priority. It does no good to try to blame anyone else but
myself for this, and I recommend the rest of you to place the blame
there as well. :)
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[Martin F Krafft]
> The mirror split is a complicated endeavour. From what I understood,
> the NEW queue was put on hold on purpose until the split is
> complete.
Ouch. If that is true, I hope ftpmasters will announce it to the
developers, as a blocked NEW hinders development of Debian and shoul
[Steinar H. Gunderson]
> Perhaps the ftpmasters are busy with the mirror split?
Could be, but I believe I heard that most NEW processing is done by
one of the assistants while the mirror split is done by someone else.
I guess that one person got busy or demotivated. I suspect NEW
processing in D
as several base
packages already use it on linux. :)
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xt, you can use
insserv to reorder all the scripts to make sure the scripts are
started in dependency order. This is a bit higher risk at the moment,
as the runlevels 1 and 6 are not entirely correctly documented yet,
but work fine for the other runlevels.
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[Alexander Sack]
> You mean take over the package?
If that is required, yes. But I suspect a friendly reenforcement of
the maintainer team is a better solution if one is able to get in
touch with the maintainer.
> Have you ever succeeded to get any communication started with Takuo
> during the l
[Bart Martens]
> The Debian package flash-plugin is meant as an alternative or as a
> replacement for flashplugin-nonfree.
Why not just join forces with Takuo KITAME to maintain
flashplugin-nonfree, and update it to behave the way you want it? I
do not see the point of two installer packages for
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