Re: Switching the default /bin/sh to dash

2009-06-25 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-06-25 10:05 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: Do you have statistics about how many packages would be instantly RC buggy because they have #!/bin/bash scripts and would now need to depend or even pre-depend on bash? Since bash is essential, it is a bug to explicitly depend on bash, and after

Re: Switching the default /bin/sh to dash

2009-06-25 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-06-25 14:40 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org (25/06/2009): Still, as a DD, I would like to explicitly switch to dash to help in spotting possible problems. Can you please consider document how to switch? I guess switching the symlink is enough, but an

Re: Resigning from Debian

2009-07-07 Thread Sven Joachim
Hi Alexis, I'm sorry that you have to resign. Thanks for all your work. On 2009-07-06 17:12 +0200, Alexis Sukrieh wrote: Note that the remaining freetime I have for free software will be dedicated to maintain Backup Manager's[2] source code (upstream) so the new maintainer of that

Re: The wider implications of dbus breakage

2009-07-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-07-17 11:45 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 03:14:15AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: C-A-Bksp disabled by default is an Xorg upstream decision, has nothing to do with D-Bus or HAL or whatever. This is the real breakage here. It's easy for X to leave you no way

Re: Bug#537492: menu: Binary without execution bits.

2009-07-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-07-18 22:28 +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Hello -devel, I need a tiny wider audience for that one. Bill Allombert bill.allomb...@math.u-bordeaux1.fr (18/07/2009): On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 09:35:57PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Package: menu Version: 2.1.41 Severity: grave

Re: Essential [Re: Switching /bin/sh to dash (part two)]

2009-07-22 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-07-22 18:06 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: mawk is alway installed (required and a dependency of an essential package). Wrong, you can easily remove mawk if you like, as long as you have another package that provides awk: , | % LANG=C aptitude -s remove mawk | Reading package

Re: Please test eglibc 2.9-23+multiarch

2009-07-29 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-07-28 19:44 +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: I have recently uploaded to experimental eglibc 2.9-23+multiarch, from our multiarch branch. It doesn't use the multiarch paths yet, but it is a first step toward multiarch. The only difference with the unstable version is that libc-bin and

Re: Please test eglibc 2.9-23+multiarch.1

2009-07-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-07-29 22:12 +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:10:27PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: In short it looks like a Pre-Depends is overkill, and that a Depends is enough. I'll upload a new version soon to experimental to fix that. eglibc version 2.9-23+multiarch.1 is

Re: emacs23 uploaded to unstable

2009-08-01 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-08-01 22:52 +0200, Rob Browning wrote: I've uploaded the first emacs23 packages (23.1+1-1) to unstable. Thanks! Unfortunately, the current status of NEW means that they will probably not be available for the public any time soon. :-( Please file bugs as appropriate. Do you have a

Re: emacs23 uploaded to unstable

2009-08-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-08-02 09:58 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Rob Browning: I've uploaded the first emacs23 packages (23.1+1-1) to unstable. Please file bugs as appropriate. Has anybody else experienced the FTBFS related to the removal of dir.old? Not me (building in pbuilder). It also seems to

Re: emacs23 uploaded to unstable

2009-08-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-08-02 10:38 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Sven Joachim: I haven't tried emacs23 yet, but on recent emacs-snapshot packages I did not experience much of a slowdown compared to emacs22. There is often a delay when Emacs has to display characters that cannot be represented

Re: emacs23 uploaded to unstable

2009-08-03 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-08-02 10:16 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2009-08-02 09:58 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Rob Browning: I've uploaded the first emacs23 packages (23.1+1-1) to unstable. Please file bugs as appropriate. Has anybody else experienced the FTBFS related to the removal of dir.old

Bug#489132: Still relevant?

2008-09-17 Thread Sven Joachim
Is it still correct that dpkg needs to be upgraded first before doing a dist-upgrade from Etch? With perl-base 5.10.0-14 pre-depending on a fixed version of dpkg, that should not be the case anymore, AFAICS. Comments? Regards, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: [RFC] How should rsyslog handle .0 logfiles from sysklogd

2008-09-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-09-20 11:14 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: I would have rather suggested NEWS.Debian if apt-listchanges was higher priority. Anyway, this should also be documented in the release notes. Agreed, mentioning this issue in the release notes would probably be a good

Re: Spam-Problem with linux.debian.user.german

2008-09-29 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-09-29 17:46 +0200, Klaus Ethgen wrote: I had posted a followup to linux.debian.user.german. Now I got a very strange mail from a italian host telling me that the post was canceled and that I have to subscribe a mailing list. You don't have to do that, although it is recommended that

Re: List of RC-buggy source packages by maintainer/uploader

2008-10-07 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-10-07 11:26 +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 09:28:51PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Michael Meskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] acpid (U) AFAICT acpid in Lenny is RC-bug free. But maybe the list was created before the package migrated. Hm? It was you who upgraded the

Re: Who owns /etc/default/locale?

2008-11-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-11-09 16:43 +0100, Steve M. Robbins wrote: I have two systems. Both track unstable, and have package locales at version 2.0.16. On one system, package locales owns /etc/default/locale, on the other, it doesn't. Should the file be owned by locales or not? It shouldn't, but on my

Re: system users

2008-11-16 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-11-16 11:41 +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: Unfortunately, by default, NAME_REGEX does not allow the use of underscore. The user needs to be created with --force-badname. Why is that unfortunate? IMO it is good if system users have bad names since that makes clashes with names

Re: Packages still depending on GTK+ 1.2

2008-12-11 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-12-05 19:06 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: OHURA Makoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] xemacs21 = maybe we need to wait for emacs23 I'm not sure that hardcore XEmacs users can be convinced to switch to Emacs, even if Emacs 23 will provide the necessary eye-candy that is lacking from Emacs 22.

Re: problems with the concept of unstable - testing

2008-12-16 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-12-16 15:58 +0100, John Goerzen wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:52:53PM +0100, Bastian Venthur wrote: Another way to see it is that unstable is constantly flowing and we're just forking a stable distribution from it from time to time. That sounds like ubuntu. But speaking of them,

Re: Is The number of stable users dropping fast?

2008-12-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-12-21 09:40 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: Looking at URL: http://popcon.debian.org/ , it seem to me that the number of stable installations is dropping fast. The graph popularity-contest versions in use show this, with version 1.41 being the one in stable. When the version in

Re: Is The number of stable users dropping fast?

2008-12-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2008-12-21 15:14 +0100, Teemu Likonen wrote: Petter Reinholdtsen (2008-12-21 14:38 +0100) wrote: As you can see, the number of submissions have dropped the last month. Not by much so far, but it used to increase every week. Maybe we want to look at the bigger picture. This is a graph

Re: devel files and libraries in /lib

2011-01-04 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-01-04 16:33 +0100, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 09:38:19AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | An alternative strategy to consider for the future: drop /usr entirely | and place all libraries in /lib [as done on GNU/Hurd]. On current | systems using initramfs the need

Re: devel files and libraries in /lib

2011-01-04 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-01-04 18:34 +0100, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 04:47:28PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: It is not possible to do the switch on upgrades anyway, at least not while every package ships files under /usr. You can only do that when there are no packages installed that have

Re: devel files and libraries in /lib

2011-01-05 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-01-05 08:46 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 03:29:08AM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: Nice write-up, you raise many good points I agree with. Just a small remark: On 05.01.2011 01:25, Roger Leigh wrote: 2) /usr is mounted read-only for security and safety

Re: enable/disable flags in /etc/default

2011-03-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-03-02 20:54 +0100, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2011 at 03:42:28PM +0200, Faidon Liambotis wrote: Also, while we're at update-rc.d's documentation, that particular manpage says: Example of disabling a service: update-rc.d -f foobar remove

Re: Anonymous read-only access and Vcs-* [Re: Alioth status update, take 3]

2011-05-26 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-05-26 08:03 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Wed, 25 May 2011, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: It also seems that repositories hosted in public_git don't show up on gitweb anymore. Example: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/lucas/packaging-tutorial.git I agree that most of them should

Re: libjpeg62-dev - libjpeg-dev transition

2009-09-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-09-19 19:20 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 02:32:51PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Pierre Habouzit (madco...@madism.org) [090919 01:08]: I'll put blocks in my hint file to be sure that both those packages will migrate in testing together (I'm unsure if

Re: Transitional (dummy) packages considered silly

2009-09-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-09-19 21:18 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Note that transitional packages are seamless for users. When users has foo in $stable, and foo gets renamed into bar in $stable +1, then there is that: $stable: package foo $stable + 1: foo Depends bar, bar {replaces foo, provides foo,

Re: Should ucf be of priority required?

2009-12-05 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2009-12-05 16:47 +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: Hi, when testing my packages with piuparts I noticed an inability of our package management. Dpkg does not have support for management of dynamically generated configuration files. Therefore some packages now use ucf. The basic usage is

Re: libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed

2010-02-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-02-10 13:23 +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Bill Allombert wrote: Does it make sense that I report this issue to the above packages (libqt3-mt-dev and libtiff4-dev) ? They should Build-Dep on the virtual package libjpeg-dev right ? How can a binary package build-depend on something?

Re: libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed

2010-02-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-02-10 17:03 +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: This is the list of packages that Depends on libjpeg62-dev *and* cause conflicts when building package that build-depends on libjpeg-dev. libcupsimage2-dev libdirectfb-dev libdjvulibre-dev libgd2-noxpm-dev libgdal1-dev libhdf5-serial-dev

Re: libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed

2010-02-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-02-10 18:48 +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 06:14:22PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: Actually, libjpeg62-dev is needed to build LSB compliant software that use libjpeg, so losing that would not be very nice. But depending on the software this will be practically

Re: debian/rules clean as root or non-root?

2010-02-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-02-10 19:02 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I often see sources where debian/rules clean aborts claiming it needs to be run as root. So then I run it with fakeroot. But if the source was previously build as root then running fakeroot debian/rules clean might not be enough. I think

Re: debian/rules clean as root or non-root?

2010-02-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-02-10 21:37 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de writes: On 2010-02-10 19:02 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: I often see sources where debian/rules clean aborts claiming it needs to be run as root. So then I run it with fakeroot. But if the source

Re: libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed

2010-02-11 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-02-10 18:58 +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 06:14:22PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: Actually, libjpeg62-dev is needed to build LSB compliant software that use libjpeg, so losing that would not be very nice. Well, what I suggest: I rename the current binary

Re: JPEG 8 transition

2010-02-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-02-14 16:09 +0100, sean finney wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:18:28AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: The first step is to fix packages that Depend on 'libjpeg62-dev'. They should Depend on 'libjpeg-dev' instead. Please do not make them Depend on 'libjpeg8-dev', or

Re: Downgrading a package to get it into upcoming release

2010-02-16 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-02-16 18:55 +0100, Michael Gilbert wrote: all of these seem like rather complicated solutions. wouldn't it be a bit simpler to ask for removal from both testing and unstable, then once that happens, upload the old (known stable) version of the package? oh, you would probably need a

Re: e2fsprogs not esential anymore?

2010-03-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-03-14 20:34 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:25:08 -0700 Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 06:04:16PM +, Neil Williams wrote: Personally, I'm not that fussed about Essential anymore - Emdebian just removes the tag from any and

Re: [RFC] removing xserver-xorg-video-nv from squeeze

2010-07-12 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-07-12 21:09 +0200, Stephen Powell wrote: If nouveau set KMS by default, as the intel driver does, but did not *require* KMS, I would agree. But the last time I checked, using the nouveau driver *forces* KMS. I don't like that. I still use, and prefer, hardware text mode virtual

Re: [RFC] removing xserver-xorg-video-nv from squeeze

2010-07-13 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-07-13 04:31 +0200, Stephen Powell wrote: Second, I can't seem to get an 80-column virtual console with KMS. Yes, I can change the font size, but the traditional 80-column display doesn't seem to present itself. Maybe I just haven't tried hard enough. It's not possible with a

Re: packages being essential but having stuff in /usr/?!

2010-07-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-07-14 17:36 +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: I wonder why this never came up before,.. or did it an I'm just blind? It's been reported as bug #428189 already, but without any followup. See also #532324. I've just read parts of POSIX, where echo is more or less deprecated in

Re: Any chance to redo an upload to unstable which should have went to experimental?

2010-09-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-09-09 11:35 +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: - Forwarded message from Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org - From: Andreas Tille ti...@debian.org To: debian-devel-chan...@lists.debian.org Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 07:32:12 + Subject: Accepted gnumed-client 0.8.1-1 (source all)

Bug#598044: ITP: autoconf-dickey -- automatic configure script builder (Thomas Dickey's version)

2010-09-25 Thread Sven Joachim
Package: wnpp Owner: Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de Severity: wishlist * Package name: autoconf-dickey Version : 2.52-20100814 Upstream Author : David MacKenzie Thomas Dickey * URL or Web page : http://invisible-island.net/autoconf/autoconf.html * License

Re: Buildd binary-indep

2010-09-29 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-09-29 07:26 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:19:01 -0700, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: That is the customary workaround for this issue. The downside is that it causes the build to be run under $rootcmd instead of running as a normal user. Since all buildds

Re: Squeeze can't fit on 512MiB

2010-10-29 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-10-29 11:58 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:36:59AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: Or, for a less drastic solution, use localepurge. Losing the docs is a significant loss, you don't want to suffer that unless your machine is a really small dinky gadget. This is a

Re: Full install/removal/upgrade test results available

2010-11-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-11-17 15:50 +0100, Norbert Preining wrote: I checked my package install-info and that was a false positive, the removal test failed - of course - becasue install-info is an essential package, so removing it needs typing in Yes, do as I say! Or rather apt treats install-info as

Re: Full install/removal/upgrade test results available

2010-11-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-11-17 22:16 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 21:33:52 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28:54PM -0600, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: It seems that after installation of dict-wn, there's a process that is still running, so destroying the chroot fails.

Re: making libc-bin essential

2011-07-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-07-01 10:31 +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: Currently libc-bin is virtually essential: a lot of essential packages depend on libc6 which in turn depends on libc-bin. This package has been created during the first steps of the multiarch transition two years ago, and all the binaries have

Re: Bug#632322: libudev0: missing copyright file

2011-07-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-07-11 03:10 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Jul 01, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: The copyright file is present in the udev package instead, but libudev0 does not depend on udev. No, actually it is there. The problem is that, after fixing #632321, this happens: libudev0

Bug#635685: general: gcc -m32 has no access to system-specific includes in multiarch world

2011-07-28 Thread Sven Joachim
reassign 635685 libc6-dev severity 635685 serious thanks On 2011-07-28 10:58 +0200, Tim Northover wrote: Package: general Severity: normal It looks like gcc -m32 has been partially broken by the recent hiving off of various headers to /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu. In particular a program

Re: combined dependencies?

2011-08-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-08-20 08:19 +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote: Hi folks, would it be possible to support combined dependencies, e.g. if package A and B are installed, then package C(A) has to be installed, too? Not unless you implement that yourself. Requests for such features in dpkg have been

RFC: Adding Pre-Depends: libtinfo5 to libncurses5

2011-09-05 Thread Sven Joachim
Hi, as requested in bug #631592[1], we (ncurses maintainers) are going to split out a new library package named libtinfo5 from the ncurses source package and link both libncurses5 and libncursesw5 against that library. This raises a small problem for upgrades from previous libncurses5 versions:

Re: RFC: Adding Pre-Depends: libtinfo5 to libncurses5

2011-09-07 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-09-06 22:45 +0200, Clint Adams wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 07:17:05PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: To rule out this possibility, I would like to add an unversioned Pre-Depends: libtinfo5 to libncurses5. In my tests, apt did install libtinfo5 before unpacking the replacement

Re: Mistake in postrm preventing functioning of newer package (stable/testing/unstable)

2011-09-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-09-09 13:43 +0200, Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 12:54:32PM +0200, David Paleino wrote: On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:42:11 +0200, sean finney wrote: Another option, as awful as it sounds, is to nuke (or surgically modify) the postrm script of the old package from the preinst

Re: RFC: Adding Pre-Depends: libtinfo5 to libncurses5

2011-09-12 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-09-05 19:17 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: as requested in bug #631592[1], we (ncurses maintainers) are going to split out a new library package named libtinfo5 from the ncurses source package and link both libncurses5 and libncursesw5 against that library. This raises a small problem

Re: Bug#631592: RFC: Adding Pre-Depends: libtinfo5 to libncurses5

2011-09-13 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-09-13 13:21 +0200, Craig Small wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 07:46:51PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: b) Add the Pre-Depends and wait for someone to whine that no consensus on debian-devel was reached according to Policy §3.5. I'm inclined to go with b), so if anybody has objections

Re: Bug#640672: moving files to arch specific include breaks compilations with -m32

2011-09-13 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-09-13 21:04 +0200, Daniel Bayer wrote: Now I updated to linux-libc-dev 3.0.0-3 to test. After this /usr/include/asm is an empty directory which belongs to gcc-multilib: Congratulations, you have just rediscovered bug #638418. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Move all to /usr

2011-10-11 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-11 16:32 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove I am still not 100% persuaded that this would be easy to do, but at least I think that it has more merit than the old move all to /... How much complex would it be to implement this in Debian?

Re: Move all to /usr

2011-10-11 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-11 19:48 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Oct 11, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Le mardi 11 octobre 2011 à 16:32 +0200, Marco d'Itri a écrit : I am still not 100% persuaded that this would be easy to do, but at least I think that it has more merit than the old move all

Re: Move all to /usr

2011-10-13 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-14 02:28 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: My plan is to write a script which moves to /usr all the binaries in /bin and /sbin (taking care of the few cases which actually are links to /) and then converts the directories to symlinks to /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. After this I will try to

Re: console-tools removal from sid

2011-10-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-19 14:35 +0200, Alastair McKinstry wrote: I propose to remove console-tools from sid, in favour of kbd. This is long planned: console-tools has been dead upstream for many years, with only Debian and derivatives still using it; For squeeze, kbd was made priority: optional and

Packages depending on libncurses5 but not build-depending on libncurses-dev

2011-10-19 Thread Sven Joachim
Recently the readline-dev package and its GPL2 variant libreadline-gplv2-dev dropped their dependencies on libncurses5-dev. This prompted me to look for packages that currently depend on libncurses5 but do not build-depend on libncurses5-dev or its aliases libncurses-dev and ncurses-dev, nor have

Re: Packages depending on libncurses5 but not build-depending on libncurses-dev

2011-10-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-20 00:03 +0200, Russ Allbery wrote: Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de writes: The two exceptions are [...] nvidia-cuda-toolkit (non-free, binary-only(?)). Yup, binary-only. I believe the dependency is present in the binary that we get from upstream, and no -dev packages are used

Re: Packages depending on libncurses5 but not build-depending on libncurses-dev

2011-10-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-20 14:05 +0200, Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:06:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org spectemu Fixed in 0.94a-13, thanks. Actually, just adding the build dependency is not the best solution in such cases, since you'll get a spurious

Re: Packages depending on libncurses5 but not build-depending on libncurses-dev

2011-10-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-21 12:13 +0200, Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 08:48:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: Actually, just adding the build dependency is not the best solution in such cases, since you'll get a spurious dependency on libncurses5 (dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: dependency

Re: Packages depending on libncurses5 but not build-depending on libncurses-dev

2011-10-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2011-10-19 23:06 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: Recently the readline-dev package and its GPL2 variant libreadline-gplv2-dev dropped their dependencies on libncurses5-dev. This prompted me to look for packages that currently depend on libncurses5 but do not build-depend on libncurses5-dev

Re: Comments on introducing a new Essential package: base-init?

2012-02-08 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-02-08 21:03 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: This is regarding Bug #645540 (Essential package conflict between sysvinit and systemd-sysv). sysvinit is currently Essential. In order to permit the replacement of sysvinit with an alternative init system, I'd like to propose the creation of a

Re: Multiarch file overlap summary and proposal

2012-02-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-02-14 15:28 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Guillem Jover writes: This still does not solve the other issues I listed, namely binNMUs have to be performed in lock-step, more complicated transitions / upgrades. I don't think I see where this is coming from. Are you talking about

Re: Important information regarding upcoming dpkg 1.16.2 upload

2012-03-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-03-14 11:33 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, Raphael Hertzog wrote: If it outputs nothing on your system, then you're fine. Otherwise it should give you some instructions to follow to bring it back to a coherent state. There was a bug in the script. An updated

Re: multiarch conversion for packages with lib32* packages

2012-03-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-03-24 04:04 +0100, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: I would like to do multiarch conversion for the icu packages. I understand the concept and the implementation, and I have looked at http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation. One issue not covered is what to do if your package already

Re: multiarch conversion for packages with lib32* packages

2012-03-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-03-24 10:50 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 09:48:58AM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2012-03-24 04:04 +0100, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: One issue not covered is what to do if your package already builds 32-bit libraries on a 64-bit system by building 32-bit explicitly

Re: The future of non-dependency-based boot

2012-04-11 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-04-11 12:13 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: 2) Static order is currently supported and supporting it for wheezy doesn't incurr horrible amounts of work. I beg to disagree, it is already unsupportable because the only way to test it is to set up a lenny system, create some local init

Re: Bug#661329: recommends doom-wad which is only provided by non-free doom-wad-shareware

2012-04-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-04-30 09:23 +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/30/2012 03:48 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: The difference is that there are millions of videos you can watch with VLC, while there are only a dozen or so iwads for doomsday, none of which are free. And then what? Is it about numbers

Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

2012-05-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-09 14:01 +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote: Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org writes: On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 10:39:38AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote: And the integrator/packager may not want to learn all the funny languages that daemons can be written in (ocaml, haskell, java, ruby, ...).

Re: Bug#672160: Directory /boot/console-setup

2012-05-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-10 18:43 +0200, Anton Zinoviev wrote: [Please preserve the CC to 672...@bugs.debian.org because I am not subscribed to debian-devel.] First the problem in few words. The package console-setup needs an access to a directory similar to /var very early during the boot process -

Re: Directory /boot/console-setup

2012-05-10 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-10 19:45 +0200, Roger Leigh wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 07:43:46PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: [Please preserve the CC to 672...@bugs.debian.org because I am not subscribed to debian-devel.] First the problem in few words. The package console-setup needs an access to a

Re: on the use of chmod/chown in maintainer scripts

2012-05-12 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-12 13:10 +0200, Charles Plessy wrote: I was always wondering: Unless we expect that two different binary packages that can be co-installed will distribute the same directory under different ownership or permissions for a good reason, why not simply let dpkg apply ownership and

Re: Version for a returning package

2012-05-13 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-13 11:49 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Mike Hommey, le Sun 13 May 2012 11:16:13 +0200, a écrit : The versions they had by then had an epoch. Supposedly, to make the new versions greater than these, I have to add an epoch. But do I really need to care about making the new versions

Re: Lintian warning hardening-no-stackprotector although compiled with hardening options

2012-05-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-17 17:25 +0200, Daniel Leidert wrote: The html-xml-utils package contains a bunch of small helper programs. I've chosen dh 9 compatibility level recently to enable hardening. However, I still get lintian warnings for 3 binaries. However all binaries are compiled and linked with the

Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

2012-05-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-19 00:52 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:27:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Guillem Jover wrote: Only as long as the debian/control information matches the one from the archive override. I checked, and currently the only base package with an overridden

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-20 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-20 11:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Slightly OT but I wanted to mention it for its similarity: One thing that should be tested and then documented prominently as yay or nay in the wheezy upgrade notes is wether one can cross-grade from i386 to amd64 using multiarch. Wether

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-22 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-22 20:03 +0200, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 07:27:21PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk, 2012-05-20, 03:16: 5. Installer for i386 prefers amd64 kernel on any capable machine (that's a one-line change!) and adds amd64 as secondary

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-05-22 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-05-22 20:40 +0200, Simon McVittie wrote: On 22/05/12 19:24, Sven Joachim wrote: and anything that uses libx86 won't work either (#492470). Is this the right bug? According to the reporter's reportbug System Information, he's running libx86/i386 on one of the i386 kernel flavours

Re: amd64 as default architecture

2012-06-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-06-01 11:54 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Guillem Jover guil...@debian.org writes: On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 14:03:35 +0200, David Kalnischkies wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2012-05-20 11:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote

Re: Packages with incomplete .md5sum files

2013-01-15 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-01-15 10:29 +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: There's no requirement for md5sums files in the first place AFAIK. How are incomplete md5sums worse than no md5sums? If there is no md5sums file, dpkg (as of version 1.16.3) creates it at unpack time. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: R 3.0.0 and required rebuilds of all reverse Depends: of R

2013-04-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-04-18 10:48 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: On Sun, Apr 07, 2013 at 09:29:19PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/02/2013 09:18 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Actually that hits another problem. Namely that the epoch does not appear in the binary package filename. While wheezy

Re: /bin/sh (was Re: jessie release goals)

2013-05-11 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-05-11 11:22 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: While that might be of some interest the real goal of the change was to be able to have more than *2* packages provide /bin/sh. Currently, due to the totaly screwed up way this is done, only dash or bash can be /bin/sh. I think that

Re: Mass bug filing for shared library broken symlinks detected by piuparts

2013-06-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-06-30 19:08 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 11:30:39 -0400, Dave Steele wrote: Shortly, piuparts.debian.org will be elevating the broken symlink test in sid from a warning to an error status. In advance of that, bugs submissions are planned against packages which

Re: Survey answers part 2: the systemd transition

2013-07-01 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-07-01 21:54 +0200, Vincent Danjean wrote: Le 01/07/2013 20:05, Michael Stapelberg a écrit : Hi, since some people might not read planet debian, here is a link to my second blog post in a series of posts dealing with the results of the Debian systemd survey:

Re: dpkg-buildpackage creating uninstallable packages?

2013-09-29 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-09-28 22:18 +0200, Norbert Preining wrote: since a short time when I build a binary package on my running system, I cannot install the created .deb anymore because it depends on libc-amd64 (= some.version) which somehow is not what I have although I am running amd64 sid. Uninstall

Re: Archive rebuild failures and the clean target

2013-10-07 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-10-07 10:53 +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote: I see serious FTBFS bugs appearing on my packages when people try to rebuild the entire archive. Those failures are due to attempting to run the clean target prior to anything else. This is what dpkg-buildpackage does, so it has to work.

Re: dpkg with new Essential

2013-12-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-12-09 04:55 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 13:56 +1100, Craig Small wrote: As pidof is moving from sysvinit-utils to procps-base in the next release, I want to check I've got the way dpkg handles flags correctly. procps-base will contain the new pidof and will be

Re: Reproducing build error / environment

2014-02-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-02-01 22:07 +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Christoph Ender christoph.en...@spellbreaker.org, 2014-02-01, 21:47: I’m currently having trouble reproducing a build error – see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=735757 My guess is that the root cause is #735782. I think you

Re: make 4.0: archive rebuild resulted in 73 packages broken (help wanted)

2014-04-30 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-04-30 16:39 +0200, Roger Leigh wrote: On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 04:22:37PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: I think we should first understand why the detection is failing with the newer make. I'm taking a look now. Once that's done we might just be able to fix (or workaround) one of: *

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-12 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-05-12 18:19 +0200, Josh Triplett wrote: Having libpam-systemd depend on systemd-shim | systemd-sysv will not properly handle systems that already have systemd installed but not systemd-sysv. Could you please elaborate what exactly does not work properly in such a situation? I

Re: Solutions for the Apache upgrade hell

2014-07-14 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-07-14 18:52 +0200, Russ Allbery wrote: Thorsten Glaser t...@debian.org writes: * Running dist-upgrade without --purge will keep packages in 'rc' state around, which a later APT call will not even recognise; you need to manually dpkg --purge pkg1 pkg2 ... to get rid of them I

Re: Why are the gcc-*-base packages priority:required?

2014-08-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-08-09 04:27 +0200, Theodore Ts'o wrote: Potentially stupid question --- why are the gcc-4.[789]-base packages have the priority required? And what are they used for? Providing the mandatory files under /usr/share/doc, all packages built from the gcc-4.[789] source ship a symlink under

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-06 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-09-05 23:50 +0200, Russ Allbery wrote: Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl writes: systemd also pulls in a large amount of bloat (IIRC someone mentioned 100ish packages in wheezy vs 146 in current jessie). Purging those is nontrivial, as some had their priority bumped up. That seems

Re: Pre-Depends changed for dpkg on GNU/kFreeBSD

2014-10-05 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-10-04 23:59 +0200, Guillem Jover wrote: Something else I just realized now is that libkvm pulls in libbsd and libfreebsd-glue into the pseudo-essential set on GNU/kFreeBSD, which makes the situation a bit worse. Both libbsd and libfreebsd-glue are already pulled in by freebsd-utils.

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