there. Porting to other arches is of
utmost importance if debian-installer is to be the success we want it
to be.
So, to round this up, the current issue list is:
- - unbreak cdebconf
- - partitioner
- - multiple arch support
Comments, help and code is, as always, welcome.
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from http://people.debian.org/~tfheen/d-i/net-1440.img and
use http://people.debian.org/~tfheen/d-i as your mirror. It will be
noisy, but works. Just tested it. )
See you around next month.
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rsync://rsync.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git
(or http://www.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git/)
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for the computation of gconf dependencies,
Uhm, this is where you go wrong. You can't just exclude binaries
nilly-willy like this.
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accessing data on local hard
drives, but it should, hopefully, be fully-functional.
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the possibility you might remove
| a later version of the lib and take the config files with it...
That will also get you into an «interesting» situation with
multiarch paths.
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* Josselin Mouette
| Le lundi 09 janvier 2006 à 14:41 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit :
| | Ladies and gentlemen, this is a perfect example of why linking indirect
| | dependencies is a very bad thing. Let me explain.
|
| No, it's not. At least not in the way GTK friends work.
|
| Why so
ordering problems afaik.
|
| Well, I'm not sure if that is an excuse for violating policy.
Essential: yes packages must work while unconfigured, so they won't be
bitten by the bug in question here.
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Pjotr Kourzanov wrote:
Yes, but the point was that mainteners get a warning from the
regular build system that their package is not cross-compile friendly.
That needs to hook into dpkg-buildpackage then, I'm afraid...
Please don't do this. Some packages choose to not be cross-compilation
and cool in the basement without having to worry about the
heat or the icky yellow thing on the sky.
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for really old code from, say, 1950) and if it clearly is
copyrightable, it will be under copyright.
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* Marco Cabizza
| gaim-libnotify is a gaim plugin which displays notification bubbles
| in Gaim using libnotify and notification-daemon.
I presume you're already aware of gaim-guifications which does the
same thing, though without libnotify and n-d?
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, if one has serious size constraints.
Saves speed, not very hard to implement (without me having looked at
dpkg's code).
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as shar files as well. If
your shell is broken, then you are having more serious problems than
not having gzip and tar.
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first letter is a digit,
it will just remove the zero-width string '' between the first / and
the beginning of the string.
A better solution will probably be to
s/[0-9]$//
which will remove 5 from /dev/hda5.
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* Bart Schuller
| On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:24:22PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| | s/[0-9]*//
| | s/part$/disc/
|
| What is the use of the first s/? Unless your first letter is a digit,
| it will just remove the zero-width string '' between the first / and
| the beginning
* Goswin Brederlow
| s/[0-9]$//
|
| which will remove 5 from /dev/hda5.
|
| You forgot /dev/hda17, which would become /dev/hda1 with your syntax.
you are right.
make that regexp a s/[0-9]+$// instead.
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:
perl -e '$_ = /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1; s/[0-9]+//; print
$_,\n'
/dev/ide/host/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
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this, where they claim otherwise. I don't have the
POSIX specification so I can check myself, though.
| So is there no correct POSIX regex library in Debian?
No, not if MRE is right. Which I suppose it is, but am not 100% sure
of, as I haven't read the specs.
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behavior. So there!
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that supports IMAP?
mew, spruce, gnus, wl, wanderlust2, postilion, balsa, tkrat, at least.
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, extended, or
Perl-compatible regular expression.
It can be downloaded from
http://public.srce.hr/~dspiljar/mboxgrep.html
and is under GPL.
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).
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* Stephane Bortzmeyer
| On Monday 8 January 2001, at 9 h 5, the keyboard of Tollef Fog Heen
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| I intend to package mboxgrep, a utility which greps mailboxes.
|
| BTW, we already have sgrep, which is fine for that purpose.
Does it support both simple regexps
)
It might help if you add 'append=mem=128M' to lilo.conf and rerun
lilo. The kernel doesn't always find all the memory, IME.
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europa.armlinux.org didn't have the xaw3dg-dev package installed, so I
couldn't rebuild. :/
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need to have a clued isp[1] who
| sets up a nifty little forwarding trick in the reverse DNS. Here's an
| exmple of how my old ISP did it:
That's the hard way of doing this. Read RFC 2317 for the easy way. :)
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* Colin Walters
| It doesn't seem very reasonable to expect the Debian packagers to try
| to fix upstream bugs like this.
It is still a bug to break that way. IMNSHO.
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for the first most
and the last least.
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* Peter S Galbraith
| : Any advice on how to change the code?
He's bitten by the namespaces thing. Adding std:: in front of vector
might fix it. Or 'using namespace std;'
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, i486, i586, i686, i686-smp
Description: Which config file?
Please choose the config file you would like to use when compiling
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to fix the package up a little bit, so that it will
actually be possible to package it.
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TODO list)
Why not just using cPickle and smart caching? It's pretty fast, ime.
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, ?;tlah. See Out, and
Law.]
A person excluded from the benefit of the law, or deprived of
its protection. --Blackstone.
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here, and so did Opera (after asking because
it was an unknown MIME-type).
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it for some time.
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is installed because it is needed to fulfill a
Build-dependency, not because the one installing it is interested in
using it to program anything.
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* Adam Heath
| Um, when was it decided that woody+1=sarge? When was this flamewar?
It wasn't yet. aj needed a name for woody+1 and picked sarge as an
interim name.
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build a
| new package since /usr/bin/install suddenly decided to stop working *arg*
Broken fileutils - install the one in incoming or the one which went
into unstable last evening.
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.
| Where can I collect the info?
Talk to tausq who already has something which creates such a
list. http://auric.debian.org/~tausq/newpkgs.html
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/ , which has
some features not found in the version above. (Without me remembering
the differences)
I started merging them (at least, I think I did) a long time ago, just
tell me if you want what I have.
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* Richard Kettlewell
| (I await with interest your attempt to have /etc/alternatives and
| /etc/rc*.d eliminated or de-symlinked...)
apt-get install file-rc does one of them:
$ ls /etc/rc*.d
zsh: no matches found: /etc/rc*.d
$
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in?
The package is the responsibility of the maintainer, and s/he has the
final words on all aspects of how it should be packaged (subject to
policy, of course). To me, it looks like you want this changed, which
I think is a bad idea.
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. ;)
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* Scott James Remnant
| These aren't included in the X window system task... Given that's
| how most users (most notably the non-technical who would benefit
| from them) install X - should these be added to that?
This is already taken care of for the next revision of b-f, AIUI.
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* Bastian Blank
| if the maintainers won't do that, we need a policy paragraph to force
| them.
Would a policy-proposal forcing packages to use debconf for user
interaction during installation get support?
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find it great that, say, Opera provides
policy-compliant aptable Debian packages.
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afford to maintain.
How does the disk space situation look? I think snapshot.d.n is a so
useful service that Debian should consider using funds for paying for
hard drives for it, assuming the growth isn't «too bad», for some
value of that.
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by default.
Nobody has even begun thinking about getting d-i to work with 2.5/2.6.
Until that is tested and works this won't fly at all. (Yes, this is a
«somebody, please step forward and test/fix d-i with 2.5/2.6»)
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* David Nusinow
| On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 11:11:27PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| * Colin Walters
|
| | Anthony Towns has mentioned a few times that he thinks sarge will use
| | Linux 2.6, which comes with most of the goodies like preemption already
| | included. We'll probably just
did MacOS
become the native OS on PPC? AmigaOS is just as native on many PPC
boxen (if native in this context mean «what the box comes with from
the manufacturer»).
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]*/, ); print; next };
//' /etc/cron.d/mailman /etc/cron.d/mailman.$$
fi
is what I use in mailman for commenting and uncommenting lines in the
postinst. It seems to work, but kinda sucks.
(If anybody feels like reviewing the debconf usage in mailman, feel
free. :)
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of files. (And having
FILE_MAX set to 1024 is ridiculously low when merging a lot of log
files :)
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which you could just cool
using a rib (or an athlon 550 or similar).
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the template from the mail. (The mail
has charset: iso8859-1, so copypasting does not give me any charset
issues as warned in the mail).
I was confusing the template with the issue in 142665.
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* Colin Watson
| (I'm not involved with the organization, though. Tollef, do you know
| if there'll be wireless base stations around or, will we be doing
| ad-hoc mode?)
The area is covered with WLANs already, but we'll have a few switches
for people who don't have wireless.
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to the maintainer is also a good
idea.
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* Josselin Mouette
| Le jeu 15/05/2003 à 14:49, Tollef Fog Heen a écrit :
| The area is covered with WLANs already, but we'll have a few switches
| for people who don't have wireless.
|
| Side question: will there be a few machines for people who can't bring a
| laptop ?
Hopefully, yes
back.
Somehow, this whole discussion has been blown completely out of
propositions.
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* Gunnar Wolf
| Tollef Fog Heen dijo [Sun, May 18, 2003 at 04:21:15PM +0200]:
| | Side question: will there be a few machines for people who can't bring a
| | laptop ?
|
| Hopefully, yes, but if you can bring a laptop: do it. :)
|
| Tollef, I might be able to bring an extra laptop with me
* (Aaron M. Ucko)
| Two of the people I originally contacted said this too, but always in
| the third person. I ask again, who on this list actually still feels
| this way?
As other people have said: I'm not going, but I don't object to a
conference in the US per se.
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work in there, etc.
So, why do you think having a more even distribution is a good thing?
Or rather, why is the current situation so bad?
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* Petter Reinholdtsen
| [James Troup]
| Tor Slettnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| I forwarded this email to his other address, which I came across in a
| mail from a common friend of our.
I've recently mailed with him, and for the time being, he is out of
time for doing Debian work.
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* John Goerzen
| Since providing this capability requires only free software on
| Debian's part, where exactly is the problem?
Manpower.
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of the Linux kernel
[...]
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ apt-cache show kernel-patch-lowlatency-2.4
Package: kernel-patch-lowlatency-2.4
[...]
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, and ISTR that AMD made a 40MHz version as well.
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class
| nowadays, in my opinion anyways.
386 has protected mode, 286 doesn't. That makes a bit of a
difference.
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* Goswin Brederlow
| I came accross some sources still using dh_undocumented so I did a
| quick search through sids *.diff.gz files. Here is the result:
[...]
Such a list is useless unless it includes maintainer addresses (or
just maintainer names) as well.
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* Artur R. Czechowski
| On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 09:47:52AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| | I came accross some sources still using dh_undocumented so I did a
| | quick search through sids *.diff.gz files. Here is the result:
| Such a list is useless unless it includes maintainer addresses
the person who volunteered have the trust of the Debian
Developers?
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* Glenn McGrath
| Is there a list of developer accessible machines anywhere ?
|
| A mirror of http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi would have been handy
http://raw.no/debian/machines.html
is the list I have. Please send me updates and I'll update it.
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, but it could use a little tidying up.
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configuration are accepted.
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a great time, and I
know I will be at Debconf 4.
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namespace with a useless program that could be replaced with
| a sed one-liner?
oh? what sed one-liner would that be?
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you have a few
people is a lot less work than making changes with 50-60 people.
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is: that decss program is
| utterly useless. I expect anyone with minor common sense and minor sed/
| awk/perl/whatever practice to understand the triviality of that program.
It's not possible to parse all valid SGML using regexes, iirc.
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* Sam Hocevar
| On Wed, Jul 30, 2003, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
|
| |And what is the point of confusing our users and cluttering the
package/
| | executable namespace with a useless program that could be replaced with
| | a sed one-liner?
|
| oh? what sed one-liner would
?
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* Steve Kemp
| On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 08:20:08AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
|
| what's wrong with a low-priority debconf question with a sane default?
|
| Absolutely nothing at all, but it's a slippery slope, and I thought
| we were tending towards less interactivity in installations
* Kevin Kreamer
| Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| ATM, TMPDIR is defined using #define in libpam-tmpdir's source.
| Patches for having that as a run-time configuration are accepted.
|
| I recently posted to debian-devel a patch to do this (not sure
| whether you saw it or not).
I
.)
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-tmpdir.conf or something like that).
Either that, or pass the service name on the command line. it's
significantly less work to parse one's own configuration file than
parsing the PAM config file, so having a separate config file for
libpam-tmpdir might make sense.
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* Manoj Srivastava
| Why do we need policy to tell us to do what you suggest are
| good, common sense things?
Because common sense isn't as common as it should be. Not even among
DDs. :(
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it.
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), I'd think?
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interfaces is good, not bad for us.
:)
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on Debian lists?
Or perhaps the poster should know the policy on Debian lists which is
_not_ to Cc unless explicitly requested.
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| functionality, an MTA is required, hence a dependency.
|
| What if the MTA is on a different host? Can't mutt speak SMTP?
Not without a patch, which afaik, isn't in the mutt in Debian.
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* Andreas Metzler
| [1] I won't list Gnus but would be really surprised if it _needed_
| /usr/sbin/sendmail ;-)
gnus uses /usr/sbin/sendmail by default, but can use smtpmail.el if
you want that.
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to rewrite the program.
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* Matthew Palmer
| On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 11:10:08AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| * Adam Majer
|
| | My definition of MIA for DD: Doesn't fix release critical bugs for
| | his/her package(s) within a week or two and doesn't respond to
| | direct emails about those bugs.
|
| I guess
* Goswin Brederlow
| Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
|
| * Adam Majer
|
| | My definition of MIA for DD: Doesn't fix release critical bugs for
| | his/her package(s) within a week or two and doesn't respond to
| | direct emails about those bugs.
|
| I guess I'm MIA
as the smtp server,
| edit resolv.conf and have mail resolve to whatever server they
| need to send to.
Then you'd have to restart the program each time you change
resolv.conf due to a stupidity in glibc.
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* Ian Hickson
| On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
|
| Or perhaps the poster should know the policy on Debian lists which is
| _not_ to Cc unless explicitly requested.
|
| Noted. I was unaware of this, having not seen any mention of this policy
| when I subscribed.
http
* Steve Lamb
| On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:50:21 +0200
| Tollef Fog Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Why do you want to do that?
|
| Imagine being at work, polling mail from home and then wanting
| to send mail back out. If the computer, say the laptop, is
| configured to forward to work mail
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