Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Uoti Urpala has written on Friday, 30 November, at 1:00: [...] I think there's already enough evidence to show that systemd is clearly the best choice. How much more would you expect to have before it would not be premature any more? I should thank you all, John Paul Adrian

Re: Really, ...

2012-11-29 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! John Paul Adrian Glaubitz has written on Friday, 30 November, at 1:04: Absolutely true. And this is actually why I don't understand so many people get so emotional when it comes to software like systemd or Pulse-Audio. Well, without any emotions. In last 2 years I've installed

Re: Canonical pushes upstart into user session - systemd developer complains

2012-11-24 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez has written on Saturday, 24 November, at 19:20: FYI, Yet another episode of the Linux init drama: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/ZZWLtq6tYdn It is only me

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-22 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Gergely Nagy has written on Thursday, 22 November, at 0:05: If you read my mail further, your question is answered there. But I'll repeat it, for good measures: no, it does not mean that. I only means that your syslogd of choice is getting its input from /run/systemd/journal/syslog

Re: Gentoo guys starting a fork of udev

2012-11-21 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Gergely Nagy has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 10:29: Matthias Klumpp matth...@tenstral.net writes: For syslogd, systemd provides journald for those who want to use it, but the Journal is no dependency of systemd. Wrong. You can't have any recent systemd without the

Re: debian mate

2012-11-21 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Neil Williams has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 15:48: However, if people choose to migrate to XFCE instead of GNOME3, then a migration to a GNOME2-alike in Jessie isn't as hard but might still not be wise. Who knows how XFCE will change with a bunch of new users reporting

Re: major linux problems summary 2012

2012-11-03 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Salvo Tomaselli has written on Saturday, 3 November, at 20:36: Linux/open source developers are usually not interested in fixing bugs if they cannot easily reproduce them. This problem plagues virtually all Open Source projects. Well in proprietary software you are usually required

Re: major linux problems summary 2012

2012-11-03 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Ben Hutchings has written on Saturday, 3 November, at 19:30: Don't feed the troll. I believe that was not trolling but rather list of what every good developer should pay attention - especially moments that give biggest inconveniences for the users. At least from my experience I

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-30 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Tzafrir Cohen has written on Tuesday, 30 October, at 17:04: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 05:18:41PM +0200, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote: Stefano Rivera has written on Monday, 29 October, at 16:57: Hi Tzafrir (2012.10.29_16:29:06_+0200) While clearing your throat, mind telling us how

Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

2012-10-29 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Stefano Rivera has written on Monday, 29 October, at 16:57: Hi Tzafrir (2012.10.29_16:29:06_+0200) While clearing your throat, mind telling us how this works in Ubuntu with PPAs? What happens if you installed a package from a PPA and you want to generate a backtrace of a program

Re: Popularity of bzr-builddeb and dh-make

2012-10-12 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Игорь Пашев has written on Friday, 12 October, at 12:29: dh-make should be deprecated :-) I don't agree with that. dh-make is very useful in some cases. And I have created a lot of own packages already, some of them without dh-make but I know good sides of it. Andriy. -- To

Question about debian experimental.

2012-10-08 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! I have a question. Since maintainers of LXDE are extremely busy last few months I would like to find a way to upload latest upstream version of libfm and pcmanfm into experimental repository. I feel sorry that I constantly bug the maintainers with the same question and I think they

Re: dpkg, symlinks, directories

2012-09-29 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Salvatore Bonaccorso has written on Saturday, 29 September, at 12:35: This is indeed intentional, that dpkg never replaces directories with symlinks if directory is present, see [1] and [2] (under 4.). [1]: http://bugs.debian.org/404850 [2]:

Re: dpkg, symlinks, directories

2012-09-29 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Vincent Bernat has written on Saturday, 29 September, at 17:31: ❦ 29 septembre 2012 17:17 CEST, Andrej N. Gritsenko and...@rep.kiev.ua : This is indeed intentional, that dpkg never replaces directories with symlinks if directory is present, see [1] and [2] (under 4.). [1]: http

Re: rm -rf /usr/somedir in maintainer scripts? (was: dpkg, symlinks, directories)

2012-09-29 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Nikolaus Rath has written on Saturday, 29 September, at 18:56: Andrej N. Gritsenko and...@rep.kiev.ua writes: I've solved that in the preinst script by 'rm -rf /usr/include/libfm' and I thought yet that was a right step since upgrade 1.0.1 - 1.0.2 went smooth. Somehow that sounds

Re: rm -rf /usr/somedir in maintainer scripts? (was: dpkg, symlinks, directories)

2012-09-29 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! I have written on Sunday, 30 September, at 2:12: Nikolaus Rath has written on Saturday, 29 September, at 18:56: Andrej N. Gritsenko and...@rep.kiev.ua writes: I've solved that in the preinst script by 'rm -rf /usr/include/libfm' and I thought yet that was a right step since upgrade

Re: libfm and pcmanfm in debian

2012-09-03 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! darkestkhan has written on Monday, 3 September, at 19:15: I'm long time user of pcmanfm (though I'm using it under fluxbox) and I didn't have any REAL problems with it since... 10 months or so? While there are some bugs here and there (like not being able to run 2 instances of it,

libfm and pcmanfm in debian

2012-09-02 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! There is a problem with libfm and pcmanfm that are coming into next stable debian release. Those are much outdated. The version libfm 0.1.17 and pcmanfm 0.9.10 have few tens of critical bugs. Some of them are: - lock up of X server on drag drop operation; - frequent random

Re: libfm and pcmanfm in debian

2012-09-02 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Neil Williams has written on Sunday, 2 September, at 19:17: On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 20:30:31 +0300 Andrej N. Gritsenko and...@rep.kiev.ua wrote: The version libfm 0.1.17 and pcmanfm 0.9.10 have few tens of critical bugs. Some of them are: None of which appear to have been filed against

Re: libfm and pcmanfm in debian

2012-09-02 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Neil Williams has written on Sunday, 2 September, at 21:51: On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 22:33:14 +0300 Andrej N. Gritsenko and...@rep.kiev.ua wrote: You may hate me saying this but that's sad fact. If you think it's normal then I'll shut up and let users ask you why their bugreports

Re: libfm and pcmanfm in debian

2012-09-02 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Ansgar Burchardt has written on Sunday, 2 September, at 22:04: Andrej N. Gritsenko and...@rep.kiev.ua writes: Tell me, please, how I can achieve the inclusion of stable version of libfm/pcmanfm into next debian release? BTW, next release of Ubuntu will have 1.0 (or even 1.0.1

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Andrew Shadura has written on Wednesday, 8 August, at 13:30: On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:26:27 +0800 Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: This kind of remark make be say that probably, it'd be nice to have ifconfig display a warning as this one: ifconfig is deprecated, please use ip

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Thomas Goirand has written on Wednesday, 8 August, at 22:01: On 08/08/2012 09:11 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: And ip is not standard (not present on every Linux systems), whereas I don't know any system without ifconfig. Then, what do you use to list multiple IPs on a single

Re: Change default PATH for Jessie / wheezy+1

2012-08-08 Thread Andrej N. Gritsenko
Hello! Ben Hutchings has written on Wednesday, 8 August, at 16:24: On 08/08/2012 09:11 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: IMHO, if there's distros with ifconfig but not ip, then such distro doesn't deserve much attention. The standard *is* ip, it's a much more powerful tool that does all you