Re: Is an autogenerated configure shell script non-editable source

2022-12-09 Thread Bart Martens
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 11:58:56AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Bart Martens  writes:
> 
> > That file may be available online for this particular software. The
> > debate is about whether such configure.ac file must be included in the
> > distributed package for making the package dfsg. And more in general,
> > about where to draw the line on how easily editable (think: time well
> > spent) the included source code must be for making the package dfsg. In
> > my opinion there is no sharp line, and ftpmaster is well positioned for
> > making fair choices in a +/- uniform way for all packages. And there is
> > always be room for questioning those choices and allowing the meaning of
> > dfsg evolve over time. Back to configure.ac, I'd support a choice of
> > making a missing configure.ac an 'important' bug, and not enough for
> > rejecting the package as non-dfsg.
> 
> The general rule of thumb that I've followed in similar situations in the
> past (PDF files where the original source has been completely lost, for
> example) is that the underlying purpose of the DFSG source provision and
> of free software in general is to ensure that the recipient of the
> software is not at a disadvantage.  In other words, the distributor isn't
> allowed to hold back pieces that make it harder for the recipient to
> modify the software (within the general definition of "source," of
> course).
> 
> Therefore, it matters what the distributor has.  If they have the true
> source used to generate the file but are keeping it secret, then to me
> that's a violation of the DFSG and we shouldn't participate (even if their
> actions aren't technically a violation of the license since if they own
> the copyright they don't need a license).  This is creating that
> disadvantage for the recipient that free software is designed to prevent.
> But if the original source has been lost, then everyone is on an equal
> footing, and I don't think there's a DFSG violation.  We may not have the
> true source in the intended sense, but *no one* has the source, and
> therefore everyone is on an equal footing and has equal ability to modify
> the software.

Interesting angle. It illustrates indeed what Free Software is meant for.
Still, dfsgness should be evaluated on what's in the package, not on someone
holding back some (easier modifiable) source code or their motive for that.

> 
> There is a different wrinkle in this specific case: we may have the source
> but not the software that was used to generate the file from the source.
> In this case, it sounds like an old version of Autoconf was used, and we
> don't package that version of Autoconf any more, so while the source is
> present in one sense, one can't regenerate the file.  I'm not sure the
> DFSG is the most useful framework for analyzing that situation, since to
> me it feels more practical than freedom-based.  Everyone is still in
> basically the same situation: the source is available to everyone, but
> some work may be required to go hunt up the old tool and regenerate the
> file.  (This assumes a case like Autoconf where the old releases of the
> tool are readily available and not kept secret, but may be hard to get
> working.)

Well, if Debian says that the lack of the old Autoconf makes a software
non-dfsg, then Debian can still choose to keep that software dfsg by still
shipping that old Autoconf along with that software. My point is that it
matters what is provided together, not what is in one technical package.

> 
> The real problem in this case is less about the DFSG and more about the
> practical problems of maintaining Debian as a software distribution: if we
> can't regenerate configure using software in Debian, there are a lot of
> porting tasks and some bug-fixing tasks that we can't do, and that's a
> problem for us.  But I'm dubious that it's a *software freedom* problem;
> it's more of a *software maintenance* problem, and thus the bug severity
> should be based on how much of a problem that is in practice.

I think that the easiness/difficulty of modifying some form of source code is
about dfsgness on the one end and about maintainability on the other, without a
sharp line between them. Just to name two extremes: One could argue that any
binary is editable after using a disassembler. Someone else might argue that
nowadays C source code should be regeneratable from some newer language.

> 
> (I think this is mostly a long-winded way of saying the same thing Marco
> said.)
> 
> -- 
> Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)  <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
> 



Re: Is an autogenerated configure shell script non-editable source (Was: Bug#1025739: hmmer2: missing source for configure)

2022-12-09 Thread Bart Martens
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 04:07:30PM +0100, Alexander Sulfrian wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 01:14:40PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > I would consider asking upstream about this for sure but the code is in
> > maintenance mode and there is no Git repository to step back in history.
> > The only way to go would be to take configure.ac from a later version
> > and find out how it can be tweaked to create some working configure
> > file from it.  I do not consider my time well spent in doing so except
> > if there is some consensus here on the list that configure files without
> > configure.ac are "missing source".
> 
> isn't the matching configure.ac available here?
> 
> https://github.com/MichiganTech/hmmer/blob/2.3.2/configure.ac
> 
> This repository is at least referenced in debian/upstream/metadata and
> the package version seems to match the git tag.

That file may be available online for this particular software. The debate is
about whether such configure.ac file must be included in the distributed
package for making the package dfsg. And more in general, about where to draw
the line on how easily editable (think: time well spent) the included source
code must be for making the package dfsg. In my opinion there is no sharp line,
and ftpmaster is well positioned for making fair choices in a +/- uniform way
for all packages. And there is always be room for questioning those choices and
allowing the meaning of dfsg evolve over time. Back to configure.ac, I'd
support a choice of making a missing configure.ac an 'important' bug, and not
enough for rejecting the package as non-dfsg.

> 
> 
> Alex
> 



Re: 'The' timestamp of a snapshot of deb.debian.org

2022-09-18 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 01:56:14PM +0200, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues 
wrote:
> Hi Roland,
> 
> Quoting Roland Clobus (2022-09-18 10:58:37)
> > I'm looking for 'the' timestamp of the Debian Archive, which will allow me 
> > to
> > virtually travel through time to re-generate a specific state of Debian.
> 
> Holger just suggested on IRC that I reply to your mail -- probably with my
> metasnap.debian.net and debbisect hats on -- even though there are probably
> other people who understand snapshot.d.o better than me. I am wondering 
> though:
> what is it exactly you want to achieve? If you want to go back in time, then
> snapshot.d.o already does what you want, no?
> 
> What is it that you want to do in the end?

I presume having no broken dependencies at all 'times' he wants to travel to.
Makes sense to me. I guess the solution is to use the logic as used in the
existing transitions from unstable to testing instead of those timestamps?

> 
> Thanks!
> 
> cheers, josch



-- 



Re: Changed Github download URLs are affecting lots of existing watch files

2021-03-27 Thread Bart Martens
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 12:26:29PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi Bart,
> 
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 07:38:17AM +0100, Bart Martens wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 11:43:27PM +0100, Yadd wrote:
> > > Le 26/03/2021 à 22:38, Andreas Tille a écrit :
> > > > Any idea what to do (besides uploading all packages obtained from
> > > > Github right after the release)?
> > > 
> > > This breaks also more than thousand package from JS Team.
> > > 
> > > We could perhaps handle that with uscan then each time GitHub changes
> > > its website, only uscan should be updated.
> > 
> > Yes. Or maintain watch files outside the packages.
> 
> Fine for me - but what is our QA tool chain using.  As far as I know
> tracker.d.o and other tools are relying on UDD and the information is
> fed from the uploaded watch file.  Or am I wrong with this assumption?

Not sure. A long time ago uscan results were used directly in pts and ddpo
without going via UDD.

> 
> > Or use "fakeupstream.cgi"
> > for popular platforms like github.
> > https://salsa.debian.org/qa/qa/blob/master/cgi-bin/fakeupstream.cgi
> 
> For the moment there are four suggestions for watch files maintained
> inside the package:
> 
>   1. use the string suggested in `man uscan`
> https://github.com///tags 
> (?:.*?/)?v?(\d[\d.]*)\.tar\.gz
> 
>   2. enable uscan to interpret some @GITHUBREGEX@

Once place to update feels right, but stuffing uscan with platform (like
github) specific things is not the best design imho. And releasing an updated
uscan is also a bit slower than maintaining watch files outside the packages.

> 
>   3. asking for a new github redirector on qa.debian.org as there
>  is for sf.net (or PyPI)

Adding more scripts like sf.net looks like slightly more work than integrating
in the uniform approach in fakeupstream.cgi.

> 
>   4. use "fakeupstream.cgi" (this service is new to me)

Originally meant for exotic upstreams, low volume. Using it for popular 
platforms
like github as well would increase the volume, but certainly worth considering.

> 
> All suggestions sound promising to me to be more sustainable than the
> current situation.
> For sure it would mean editing *lots* of d/watch
> files (and upload once the new release cycle will start)

True! 1-4 indeed involve that.

> I wonder
> whether we could come up with some suggestion which of these (or may
> be even other suggestions?) is the most promising one and all those
> who now feel forced to change their watch files will possibly change
> to the same string (automatically) instead of picking a random option.

Using watch files outside the packages would solve the problem for the qa tool
chain.

> 
> I admit my prefered way would be to do this via lintian-error plus
> lintian-brush to cure the issue.

That I have no knowledge of, so far. I have no strong preference, so go ahead
without waiting for me, np.

B.



Accepted klavaro 3.09-2 (source amd64) into unstable

2019-10-21 Thread Bart Martens
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Description:
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Accepted klavaro 3.09-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2019-10-14 Thread Bart Martens
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Description:
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Accepted nitroshare 0.3.3-1.1 (source) into unstable

2019-03-02 Thread Bart Martens
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Maintainer: Nathan Osman 
Changed-By: Bart Martens 
Closes: 881082
Changes:
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 .
   * Non-maintainer upload.
   * debian/patches/qstyle.diff: Fixes FTBFS.
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Accepted einstein 2.0.dfsg.2-10 (source amd64) into unstable

2019-01-26 Thread Bart Martens
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens 
Changed-By: Bart Martens 
Description:
 einstein   - Puzzle game inspired on Einstein's puzzle
Closes: 750236 854590 901657
Changes:
 einstein (2.0.dfsg.2-10) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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2019-01-25 Thread Bart Martens
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens 
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Description:
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Accepted klavaro 3.03-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2019-01-06 Thread Bart Martens
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Accepted klavaro 3.02-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2016-08-12 Thread Bart Martens
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Accepted libnet-cidr-perl 0.18-1 (source all) into unstable

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Description:
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Accepted empty-expect 0.6.20b-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2016-08-12 Thread Bart Martens
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Maintainer: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
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2016-08-07 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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Version: 1.8.3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Changed-By: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Description:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 833643
Changes:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree (1.8.3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree:
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Accepted num-utils 0.5-12 (source all) into unstable

2016-08-07 Thread Bart Martens
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Version: 0.5-12
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Changed-By: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Description:
 num-utils  - programs for dealing with numbers from the command line
Closes: 553913 566058 708308 714220
Changes:
 num-utils (0.5-12) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Switched packaging style from cdbs to dh9.
   * debian/patches/05_numgrep_exit.diff: Added. Closes: #708308.
   * debian/patches/06_round_number.diff: Added. Closes: #714220.
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Accepted io-stringy 2.111-2 (source all) into unstable

2016-08-07 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: io-stringy
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Version: 2.111-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Changed-By: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Description:
 libio-stringy-perl - Perl modules for IO from scalars and arrays
Closes: 833598
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted io-stringy 2.111-1 (source all) into unstable

2016-08-05 Thread Bart Martens
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Changed-By: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Description:
 libio-stringy-perl - Perl modules for IO from scalars and arrays
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted pqiv 2.6-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2016-08-04 Thread Bart Martens
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Changed-By: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Description:
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Changes:
 pqiv (2.6-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted open-cobol 1.1-2 (source amd64) into unstable

2016-08-04 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: open-cobol
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.1-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Debian QA Group <packa...@qa.debian.org>
Changed-By: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Description:
 libcob1- COBOL compiler - runtime library
 libcob1-dev - COBOL compiler - development files
 open-cobol - COBOL compiler
Changes:
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 .
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2016-08-04 Thread Bart Martens
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Version: 1:3.50-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Changed-By: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Description:
 libxml-twig-perl - Perl module for processing huge XML documents in tree mode
 xml-twig-tools - Command line tools for processing XML documents
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted flashplugin-nonfree 1:3.7 (source amd64) into unstable

2016-08-04 Thread Bart Martens
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Changed-By: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Description:
 flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 741217 799614 812866 816852 820645 833413
Changes:
 flashplugin-nonfree (1:3.7) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * update-flashplugin-nonfree: Delete old cached get-upstream-version.pl.
 Closes: #833413.
   * update-flashplugin-nonfree: Clear GREP_OPTIONS.  Closes: #812866.
   * debian/control: Depends: gnupg | gnupg2.  Closes: #816852.
   * debian/control: Suggests: iceweasel, firefox-esr.  Closes: #820645.
   * debian/update-flashplugin-nonfree.8: Add --status.  Closes: #741217.
   * debian/control: Suggests: hal-flash.  Closes: #799614.
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2016-08-03 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: gtkglext
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Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 1.2.0-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Changed-By: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Description:
 libgtkglext1 - OpenGL Extension to GTK+ (shared libraries)
 libgtkglext1-dbg - OpenGL Extension to GTK+ (debugging symbols)
 libgtkglext1-dev - OpenGL Extension to GTK+ (development files)
 libgtkglext1-doc - OpenGL Extension to GTK+ (documentation)
Closes: 714097 806040
Changes:
 gtkglext (1.2.0-4) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * QA upload, orphaning this package, see #833364.
   * Ack NMU. Closes: #714097.
   * debian/rules: Deal with dependency_libs only if the .la files exist.
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Accepted pepperflashplugin-nonfree 1.8.2 (source amd64) into unstable

2015-12-17 Thread Bart Martens
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Changed-By: Bart Martens <ba...@debian.org>
Description:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 769740 803349
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted flashplugin-nonfree 1:3.6.1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-12-21 Thread Bart Martens
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 773633
Changes:
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 .
   * debian/control: Pre-Depends: ca-certificates.  Closes: #773633.
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Accepted pepperflashplugin-nonfree 1.8.1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-12-21 Thread Bart Martens
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 773629
Changes:
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 .
   * debian/control: Pre-Depends: ca-certificates.  Closes: #773629.
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Re: Please respect Freeze Policy

2014-12-04 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 10:00:38AM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
 Le jeudi, 4 décembre 2014, 07.46:25 Bart Martens a écrit :
  On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 10:42:54AM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
   Le mercredi, 3 décembre 2014, 10.20:32 W. Martin Borgert a écrit :
Would it be OK to abuse experimental for new upstreams during
freeze?
   
   during freezes, where unstable should only have changes targeted at
   testing (and therefore, currently, at jessie).
  
  I don't read that in the freeze policy. Do you?
 
 It's indeed not mentioned there,

OK, then let's not imagine a rule that isn't in there. :-)

 although the following paragraph is of 
 interest:
 
  If the version in unstable has significant changes that cannot be
  reversed or stuck behind other packages that are not acceptable,
  please contact the release team (i.e. file a bug) for doing your
  upload to testing-proposed-updates. However, please remember that
  stricter rules apply to testing-proposed-updates (see here for the
  rules.)

That is from how to get an unblock. And, the entire text of the freeze policy
is of interest. :-)

 
 The November Bits from the release team [0] have a different phrasing 
 too :
 [0] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg3.html
  Uploads to unstable
  
  Since many updates (hopefully, the vast majority) will be via
  unstable, changes there can be disruptive if they would be unsuitable
  for Jessie.
  Please be mindful of this, particularly if you maintain a library or
  key package.

This phrasing fully corresponds to the freeze policy.

 
 My understanding of the situation is that the Release Team considers 
 unstable to be the ante-chamber of testing,

Yes, this matches with the freeze policy.

 and that they expect it to 
 only contain changes suitable for inclusion in the next stable release.

I thought that the freeze policy was meant to state what they expect. :-) It
seems you're overlooking the nuance on disruptive in the freeze policy.

 
 The problem with new upstream releases in unstable during the freeze is 
 not these uploads /per se/,

I agree.

 but with what they inflict on related 
 packages and on testing.

This is the disruptive aspect as mentioned in the freeze policy.

 As others have mentioned in this thread:
 
 * RC bugs discovered in the testing version of the package ?
   ↳ Needs to go through t-p-u
 * Package is used in Build-Depends of other packages ?
   ↳ Other packages need to go through t-p-u

The freeze policy states how and when to go via testing-proposed-updates.

 
 So, of course, the heart of the problem is the insufficient usage of t-
 p-u by users, leading to /de facto/ uploads straight to testing. But 
 this isn't easily solved: we already have three major suites and 
 documenting all the additional partial suites in ways that make users 
 _want_ to use these (and report bugs they see) isn't easy.

That is, in my opinion a different problem. (I'm not rejecting this, on the
contrary, but I prefer to discuss this in a separate thread.)

The heart of the problem we're discussing here is that people with the best
intentions sometimes accidentally misread the freeze policy.

 Many of us 
 developers are users of unstable: having this suite as close to testing 
 as possible (especially during freezes) is _good_ for the quality of our 
 stable releases.

This is not in the freeze policy. It's a preference of those developers using
unstable. (I'm not rejecting this, on the contrary, but I prefer to discuss
this in a separate thread.)

 
 I'd encourage the RT to push even more for an 'unstable' suite dedicated 
 to the release process.

That's about changing the freeze policy, not about respecting the current
freeze policy. (I'm not rejecting this, on the contrary, but I prefer to
discuss this in a separate thread.)

 Development can perfectly continue in 
 experimental.

That is suggested in the freeze policy if the uploads in unstable would be
disruptive.

So, Didier, I think that you bring up a few interesting additional aspects
certainly worth some debate (preferably in separate threads per aspect being
discussed), and that about respecting the freeze policy (the topic of this
thread) we should in my opinion all stick to the text of the freeze policy and
comply to it during the entire freeze.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: Please respect Freeze Policy

2014-12-03 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 10:42:54AM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
 Le mercredi, 3 décembre 2014, 10.20:32 W. Martin Borgert a écrit :
  Would it be OK to abuse experimental for new upstreams during
  freeze?
 
 during freezes, where unstable should only have 
 changes targeted at testing (and therefore, currently, at jessie).

I don't read that in the freeze policy. Do you?
https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html

The key term about this in the freeze policy is disruptive. It's up to the
package maintainer to judge whether a package update should go to unstable or
experimental depending on whether the package update could be disruptive in
unstable.

 Using 
 experimental for new upstream versions is not at all an abuse;

Yes, the freeze policy suggests to use experimental for for changes that are
not suitable for jessie, to avoid disruption in unstable.

 it's 
 exactly the suite one should be targeting for these changes!

Again, I don't read that in the freeze policy. Do you?
https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html

So, to answer W. Martin Borgert's question: Yes, it is OK to use experimental
for new upstream releases during the freeze, as mentioned in the freeze policy.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Accepted qiv 2.3.1-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: qiv
Binary: qiv
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 2.3.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 qiv- Quick image viewer for X
Closes: 745617
Changes:
 qiv (2.3.1-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream release.
   * debian/control: Build-Depends: liblcms2-dev.
   * debian/rules: Updated.  qiv-command.example is now in subdirectory.
   * debian/patches/14_bash.diff: Removed.  Now included upstream.
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   * debian/patches/16_usleep.diff: Added.  Closes: #745617.
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Accepted libxml-twig-perl 1:3.48-1 (source all) into unstable

2014-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 12:13:00 +0100
Source: libxml-twig-perl
Binary: libxml-twig-perl xml-twig-tools
Architecture: source all
Version: 1:3.48-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 libxml-twig-perl - Perl module for processing huge XML documents in tree mode
 xml-twig-tools - Command line tools for processing XML documents
Closes: 756059
Changes:
 libxml-twig-perl (1:3.48-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream release.  Closes: #756059.
   * debian/patches/06_spelling.diff: Edited to fit new upstream release.
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Accepted pqiv 2.2-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 2.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 pqiv   - Lightweight image viewer
Changes:
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 .
   * New upstream release.
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Accepted klavaro 3.01-1 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-10-24 Thread Bart Martens
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Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 klavaro- Flexible touch typing tutor
Closes: 756980
Changes:
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 .
   * New upstream release.  Closes: #756980.
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Accepted pepperflashplugin-nonfree 1.8 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-10-22 Thread Bart Martens
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 760388
Changes:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree (1.8) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Removed support for /etc/chromium/default.  Closes: #760388.
 + etc-chromium-default.txt: Removed.
 + debian/etc/chromium.d/pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Added.
 + debian/dirs: Added etc/chromium.d/.
 + debian/install: add file in etc/chromium.d/.
 + update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Removed dealing with
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 + debian/control: Conflicts: chromium ( 37.0.2062.120-4).  This package
   doesn't really conflict with these old versions of chromium, but it makes
   explicit that pepperflashplugin-nonfree isn't useful for versions of
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Accepted flashplugin-nonfree 1:3.6 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-09-15 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: flashplugin-nonfree
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1:3.6
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 732577 760638
Changes:
 flashplugin-nonfree (1:3.6) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * debian/control: Depends: ca-certificates.  Closes: #760638.
   * update-flashplugin-nonfree: Add use of wget option -nv. Closes: #732577.
   * Updated the tools to the newest versions: debian/rules publish-*, fp*.txt,
 get-upstream-version.pl.
   * debian/control: Removed the list of supported browsers and point to the
 wiki page instead.
   * debian/copyright: Updated.
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Accepted pepperflashplugin-nonfree 1.7 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-09-14 Thread Bart Martens
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:39:03 +0200
Source: pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.7
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 761323 761397 761495
Changes:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree (1.7) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * Closes: #761397 :
 + etc-chromium-default.txt: Use same approach as in
   update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree for reading the flash version
   from the so file.
 + update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Replace contents of
   etc-chromium-default.txt in /etc/chromium/default when
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 + Remove contents of etc-chromium-default.txt from /etc/chromium/default
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   * update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Added removal of old deb files.
 Closes: #761323, #761495.
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Accepted pepperflashplugin-nonfree 1.6 (source amd64) into unstable

2014-09-10 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.6
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 756204 758081 758609 761022
Changes:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree (1.6) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Remove bad latest*txt files from cache,
 and don't cache nor use bad downloaded latest*txt files.  Closes: #761022.
   * update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Don't update /etc/chromium/default if
 /etc/chromium.d exists.  However, still updating /etc/chromium/default if
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   * debian/control: Added Depends: ca-certificates.  Closes: #758609.
   * update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Use id -u.  Closes: #756204.
   * update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Also remove json.  Closes: #758081.
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Accepted pepperflashplugin-nonfree 1.5 (source amd64)

2014-07-11 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 753400
Changes:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree (1.5) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Added chrome-beta directory.
   * update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Install manifest.json. Closes: #753400.
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Accepted klavaro 3.00-1 (source amd64)

2014-07-11 Thread Bart Martens
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Version: 3.00-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 klavaro- Flexible touch typing tutor
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted pepperflashplugin-nonfree 1.4 (source amd64)

2014-06-22 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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Version: 1.4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 752286
Changes:
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 .
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Accepted flashplugin-nonfree 1:3.5 (source amd64)

2014-06-22 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: flashplugin-nonfree
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1:3.5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: high
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description:
 flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
Changes:
 flashplugin-nonfree (1:3.5) unstable; urgency=high
 .
   * Fixes the security bug reported by Jakub Wilk on 22 Jun 2014 09:16:18 +0200
 on #752277 :
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Accepted pqiv 2.1.1-1 (source amd64)

2014-01-21 Thread Bart Martens
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Version: 2.1.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 pqiv   - Lightweight image viewer
Changes: 
 pqiv (2.1.1-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted pepperflashplugin-nonfree 1.3 (source amd64)

2014-01-15 Thread Bart Martens
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:28:50 +0100
Source: pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
Changes: 
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree (1.3) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
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Accepted libxml-twig-perl 1:3.44-1 (source all)

2014-01-06 Thread Bart Martens
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Architecture: source all
Version: 1:3.44-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: medium
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 libxml-twig-perl - Perl module for processing huge XML documents in tree mode
 xml-twig-tools - Command line tools for processing XML documents
Closes: 691028 694523 720457 720616 721395
Changes: 
 libxml-twig-perl (1:3.44-1) unstable; urgency=medium
 .
   * New upstream release.  Closes: #720457, #721395, #694523.
   * debian/control: Updated Homepage.  Closes: #720616.
   * debian/patches/series: Added.  Enables patches.
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Accepted pepperflashplugin-nonfree 1.2 (source amd64)

2013-12-21 Thread Bart Martens
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Version: 1.2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 727813 731493
Changes: 
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 .
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   * Replaced libpango1.0-0 by libpango-1.0-0 in Depends.  Closes: #731493.
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Accepted tvtime 1.0.2-11 (source amd64)

2013-12-15 Thread Bart Martens
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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 tvtime - television display application
Closes: 709955 716409 716410 720587
Changes: 
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 .
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   * Moved default.tvtime.xml from usr/share/doc/tvtime/examples to
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Accepted tvtime 1.0.2-12 (source amd64)

2013-12-15 Thread Bart Martens
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
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Changes: 
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Accepted stopwatch 3.5-4 (source all)

2013-12-15 Thread Bart Martens
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Version: 3.5-4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 stopwatch  - Virtual stopwatch and timer
Closes: 693476
Changes: 
 stopwatch (3.5-4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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   * debian/stopwatch.menu: Added /usr/share/pixmaps/ to icon.  Closes: #693476.
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Accepted xye 0.12.1+dfsg-5 (source amd64 all)

2013-12-15 Thread Bart Martens
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Version: 0.12.1+dfsg-5
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 xye- puzzle game - get all the gems in the room
 xye-data   - puzzle game - get all the gems in the room
Closes: 728010
Changes: 
 xye (0.12.1+dfsg-5) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * QA upload, orphaning this package.
   * debian/rules: Added --with autotools_dev.  Closes: #728010.
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Accepted flashplugin-nonfree 1:3.4 (source amd64)

2013-12-08 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: flashplugin-nonfree
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1:3.4
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 725680 729404 730047
Changes: 
 flashplugin-nonfree (1:3.4) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Removed option nosse2.
   * Remove old extra files with checksums verifications before installing new
 extra files.  Closes: #729404.
   * Write errors and warnings to stderr instead of stdout.
   * Updated Suggests from ttf-dejavu to fonts-dejavu.  Closes: #725680.
   * get-upstream-version.pl: Save webpage in /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/
 for debugging if reading version fails.  Closes: #730047.
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Accepted flashplugin-nonfree 1:3.3 (source amd64)

2013-10-06 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: flashplugin-nonfree
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1:3.3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 696408 697339 701957
Changes: 
 flashplugin-nonfree (1:3.3) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * get-upstream-version.pl: Support different returned webpages.
   * debian/rules: Upload checksum files per version.
   * update-flashplugin-nonfree: Use checksum file per version.
   * get-upstream-version.pl: Added option nosse2.
   * update-flashplugin-nonfree: Suggest --nosse2 on hardware without sse2.
   * update-flashplugin-nonfree: Added option --nosse2.
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Accepted pipewalker 0.9.4-2 (source amd64)

2013-10-06 Thread Bart Martens
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 0.9.4-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 pipewalker - Puzzle game - connect all computers to the net
Closes: 713336
Changes: 
 pipewalker (0.9.4-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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Accepted pepperflashplugin-nonfree 1.1 (source amd64)

2013-09-28 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 724572
Changes: 
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree (1.1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Look in both /chrome/ and /chrome-unstable/ for the sofile.
   * No longer Conflicts: flashplayer-mozilla.  Closes: #724572.
   * Update /etc/chromium/default only when it exists.
   * Moving from experimental to unstable.
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Accepted pqiv 2.0-1 (source amd64)

2013-09-21 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: pqiv
Binary: pqiv
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 2.0-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 pqiv   - Lightweight image viewer
Changes: 
 pqiv (2.0-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release.
   * debian/clean: No longer removing pqiv.1.
   * debian/control: Now Build-Depends: libgtk-3-dev.
   * debian/copyright: Updated for upstream switched to GPL-3.
   * debian/patches/03_binary_name.diff: Updated for newer upstream release.
   * debian/patches/04_unknown_option.diff: Added to tolerate unknown options.
   * debian/patches/05_ldflags.diff: Added to fix lintian hardening-no-relro.
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Accepted klavaro 1.9.9-1 (source amd64)

2013-09-16 Thread Bart Martens
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Version: 1.9.9-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 klavaro- Flexible touch typing tutor
Closes: 721949
Changes: 
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 .
   * New upstream release.
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Accepted pepperflashplugin-nonfree 1 (source amd64)

2013-08-09 Thread Bart Martens
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Version: 1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 pepperflashplugin-nonfree - Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin
Closes: 715245
Changes: 
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 .
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Accepted tetzle 2.0.2.1-2 (source amd64)

2013-07-26 Thread Bart Martens
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:57:14 +
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Version: 2.0.2.1-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 tetzle - Jigsaw puzzle game
Changes: 
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 .
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   * New upstream release.
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Accepted libnet-cidr-perl 0.17-1 (source all)

2013-07-23 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: libnet-cidr-perl
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Architecture: source all
Version: 0.17-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 libnet-cidr-perl - Manipulate IPv4/IPv6 netblocks in CIDR notation
Changes: 
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 .
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   * Debhelper 9, exit cdbs.
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Accepted hexalate 1.0.2-1 (source amd64)

2013-07-21 Thread Bart Martens
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Version: 1.0.2-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian QA Group packa...@qa.debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 hexalate   - Color matching puzzle
Changes: 
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 .
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Re: Reporting 1.2K crashes

2013-06-29 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 08:24:30AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
 How about simply replacing should name the original authors by should
 provide contact information for license questions ?

That would give the wrong impression that whatever that contact answers to
license questions applies.

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Re: parsable copyright format 1.0 (jessie release goals)

2013-05-12 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 01:43:31PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
 Since it ever existed, I wrote my debian/copyright file using the
 new format. It's quite well established, and it isn't hard to do
 the switch. It is just a bit boring work though.
 
 I do think it would be nice to be able to parse all of the
 archive to know what kind of license we're using. If we all work
 a bit on our own packages, it should be fine, and at some
 point, we should move forward. But does anyone think it is
 too much work? I would understand that point of view.
 
 Thoughts anyone?

I would regret that the new debian/copyright format would become a jessie
release goal.  The cost/benefit ratio is, in my opinion, very low.  It costs
quite some human time to recode the upstream copyright and license information,
and I have not yet seen the benefit of more easy parsing by software.  The
licenses in the upstream source code are already in text, so they are already
in a format suitable for parsing by software.  In 2013 I don't see the need for
humans to recode text to be even more easily parseable by software.  Our human
time would be better spent on developing tools to extract the copyright and
license information from the upstream sources, in my opinion.  If we develop a
really smart tool, then most debian/copyright can be fully generated
automatically in a format designed to be well readable by humans.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-08 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 10:16:28AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Le mercredi 08 mai 2013 à 05:04 +, Bart Martens a écrit : 
  Michael Biebl wrote :
   The usage of really (...) that you don't have to fix all r-deps to include
   the the epoch in the Build-Depends.
  
  Why would adding an epoch cause the need for adding the epoch in the
  build-dependent packages ?
 
 Because otherwise these build-dependent packages will not bring the
 version they actually need?
 
 You know, what build-dependencies are for.

I know what build-dependencies are for, thank you. :-)  The question is why
epoch would need more updating of Build-Depends than with the really
approach.  I'm missing Michael Biebl's point.

Regards,

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Re: epoch fix?

2013-05-07 Thread Bart Martens
Matt Zagrabelny wrote :
 is there a consensus or quorum that believes that unnecessary epochs is
 undesirable?

I don't think so.  Package maintainers may have different views of the meaning
of unnecessary in this context.

 could we add a field to debian/control such as Supersede-Epoch.  After the
 next stable is released with this version of the package, then the maintainer
 could remove

I see no need to get rid of epochs.  I think version ordering should be
preserved forever.  See also below on what Peter Green wrote.

 the mechanism of really a mechanism for working around unnecessary epochs

I'm with Thorsten Glaser on *much* more ugly although I would remove a few
instances of *much*. :-)  I do understand however that some people prefer
adding really above adding or bumping epoch if it's just a one time fix in
the version ordering.  So far I don't see reason to make the really approach
a must rule in policy or a recommended good practice in devref.

Scott Kitterman wrote :
 The really mechanism is useful for derivatives that don't want to get a
 higher epoch than Debian, but in Debian, I totally agree.

I understand that derivatives sometimes don't need to copy the epoch from
Debian.  An obvious consequence is that users shouldn't mix packages from
Debian and Ubuntu on one system, which is already a rule of common sense as far
as I know.

Jonathan Nieder wrote :
 Epochs were invented to handle changes to the version numbering *scheme*.

Yes, that corresponds to my understanding.  I still think that epochs can also
be used in other cases.

Michael Biebl wrote :
 The usage of really (...) that you don't have to fix all r-deps to include
 the the epoch in the Build-Depends.

Why would adding an epoch cause the need for adding the epoch in the
build-dependent packages ?

Peter Samuelson wrote :
 Lots of tools use them (...) We cannot be sure that they all use dpkg's own
 interfaces to do so (e.g.  dpkg --compare-versions, perl -MDpkg::Version).

Those tools should follow dpkg's behavior, in my opinion.  If such a tool
doesn't follow dpkg's behavior, then it's a bug in that tool.  I agree however
that we shouldn't modify dpkg's behavior too easily, because that could
instantly break those tools if those tools don't use dpkg itself for version
comparisons.

Peter Green wrote :
 Not to mention that just because the debian archive only cares about version
 numbers within the last few releases does not mean other tools may not care
 about maintaining sane ordering over longer periods.

I agree with that.  I think version ordering should be preserved forever.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Accepted python-ecdsa 0.8-1 (source all)

2013-04-18 Thread Bart Martens
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Description: 
 python-ecdsa - ECDSA cryptographic signature library (pure python)
Closes: 704474
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 .
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Accepted slowaes 0.1a1-1 (source all)

2013-04-18 Thread Bart Martens
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Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
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Description: 
 python-slowaes - implementation of AES in python
Closes: 704476
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 .
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Accepted klavaro 1.9.7-1 (source amd64)

2013-03-26 Thread Bart Martens
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Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
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Description: 
 klavaro- Flexible touch typing tutor
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Re: libravatar in the BTS [Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...]

2013-03-21 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 01:34:56PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
 On Wed, 20 Mar 2013, Holger Levsen wrote:
  I too find this totally unacceptable default (to have this enabled
  by default with just the not even yet implemented option to
  opt-out).
 
 It has already been implemented. See
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/03/msg00302.html

I don't think that adding avatar=no is what was meant with opt-out, at least
not what I meant with opt-in.  I meant that avatars should not be retrieved for
anyone except for bts users who chose (opt-in) to be on a list maintained on a
debian machine.

 
 And I will be implementing caching to address the concerns about web
 tracking, and more importantly, the lack of federation. See #703119 et
 al.

The caching is a good idea, although I don't think it fully solves the
discussed concerns.

Anyhow thanks for your excellent work on the bts.  The bts is really important
to Debian, so your contributions are making a big difference for Debian.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:46:00AM -0400, Holger Levsen wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Montag, 18. März 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
   Now it's appearently back online, but a web tracking has been
   added, as seen in #703298. That's disgusting.
  It's not tracking, it's showing an avatar. That's not quite the same thing.
 
 this is not tracking, those are facebook like buttons?!?
 
 Seriously, (I havent realized before) these embedded images from gravatar.com 
 *are* webbugs, allowing automation.com to track BTS usage. 
 
 I too find this totally unacceptable default (to have this enabled by default 
 with just the not even yet implemented option to opt-out).
 
 Before filing a serious bug about this, I'd like to get some feedback what 
 other think. (Too tired after traveling yesterday..) 

Since you ask, I suggest to disable it now and enable it later only after
opt-in.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Accepted qiv 2.2.4-2 (source amd64)

2013-03-09 Thread Bart Martens
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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 qiv- Quick image viewer for X
Closes: 702619
Changes: 
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Accepted flashplugin-nonfree 1:3.2.1 (source amd64)

2013-03-02 Thread Bart Martens
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Version: 1:3.2.1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
Changes: 
 flashplugin-nonfree (1:3.2.1) experimental; urgency=low
 .
   * update-flashplugin-nonfree: Additionally first try using checksums files
 per Flash Player version.  Prerequisite for selecting an older Flash Player
 to address the sse2 issue.  See: #701957, #696408, #697339.
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Re: debian/* license of non-free packages

2013-01-10 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 08:43:27AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
 On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 06:50:57AM +, Bart Martens wrote:
   For the packages I maintain, I now refrain from doing so when the 
   contents of
   the debian directory are trivial.
  
  I guess you don't bother to claim copyright for trivial debian/* files.
  
  When there is no copyright and license information for the debian/* files, 
  then
  this can mean different things.
 
 From my perspective according to DEP5 it can only mean one thing: The
 license is the same as specified in Files: * and you blame the
 copyright holder mentioned in this stanca as copyright holder also for
 debian/*.

That would be a fair assumption, but as long as the author of the debian/*
files hasn't stated this, it's an assumption.

 The latter is no problem for simple debian/* dirs and using
 the same license as the code seems to be reasonable anyway.

Sure, for simplicity it's best to use the same license.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: debian/* license of non-free packages

2013-01-10 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 09:29:07AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
 Actually, all of those cases are equivalent, and in all of those cases the
 patch author has the option of what license they want to use.
 
 It's conventional (although not entirely legally sound) in the free
 software community to just assume that any patch submitted without any
 explicit license statement is licensed under the same terms as the
 upstream source.

I guess you meant : It's conventional (although not entirely legally sound) in
the free software community to just assume that the copyright of any patch
submitted without any explicit copyright and license statement is transferred
(given) to the copyright holders of the upstream software.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: debian/* license of non-free packages

2013-01-10 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 01:46:52PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
 On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 05:54:28PM +, Bart Martens wrote:
  On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 09:29:07AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
   Actually, all of those cases are equivalent, and in all of those cases the
   patch author has the option of what license they want to use.
 
   It's conventional (although not entirely legally sound) in the free
   software community to just assume that any patch submitted without any
   explicit license statement is licensed under the same terms as the
   upstream source.
 
  I guess you meant : It's conventional (although not entirely legally
  sound) in the free software community to just assume that the copyright of
  any patch submitted without any explicit copyright and license statement
  is transferred (given) to the copyright holders of the upstream software.
 
 This is a far less common convention... precisely because it's far less
 legally sound.  You can make a good faith assumption that someone who's
 sending you a patch for inclusion means for it to be under the same license;
 but copyright assignments need to be documented.

It's what happens in practice when I submit a patch upstream and don't say
anything about my copyright.  Upstream integrates the patch in the upstream
source code and redistributes the result with upstream copyright and license.
I think that this happens quite a lot.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: debian/* license of non-free packages

2013-01-09 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 01:13:29PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
 Le Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 05:35:07AM +0200, Nick Andrik a écrit :
  
  My problem was when I had to specify a license for the debian/* files.
 
 Hi,
 
 Not all Debian source packages contain license or copyright notices for the
 files in the debian directory.

True.

 It is therefore not strictly required to specify a license.

I don't see where such conclusion would come from.

 For the packages I maintain, I now refrain from doing so when the contents of
 the debian directory are trivial.

I guess you don't bother to claim copyright for trivial debian/* files.

When there is no copyright and license information for the debian/* files, then
this can mean different things.  It can mean that the Debian package
maintainers find the work so small that they don't bother to claim copyright
and choose a license.  It can mean that they think obviously everything I do
for Debian is DFSG-free, why would I need to repeat that in every copyright
file.  It can mean that the debian/* files become copyrighted by the upstream
copyright holders, and then the license chosen by upstream applies.  I haven't
seen RC bugs about this so far, although one could argue that it's a policy
violation, even making the package undistributable.  I don't expect Debian to
get legal problems with Debian package maintainers about the copyright of their
work since these Debian package maintainers clearly contributed their work to
Debian meant for free redistribution.  It is in my opinion no big deal but
still better to always mention the copyright and license information for the
debian/* files for completeness and clarity.

Back to Nick Andrik's question : The question is not about whether debian/*
files must always have copyright and license information.  He wants to add this
information.  The question is also not about the license terms of the GPL
license itself.  I'm sure the authors of the GPL meant the GPL to be free for
use by anyone.  Nick Andrik's question is about which license can be used for
the debian/* files for this non-free package, since he got feedback that the
GPL would not be compatible with the non-free license of this upstream
software.  I guess that http://www.debian.org/misc/bsd.license could be used.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Accepted flashplugin-nonfree 1:3.2 (source amd64)

2012-12-14 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: flashplugin-nonfree
Binary: flashplugin-nonfree
Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1:3.2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
Changes: 
 flashplugin-nonfree (1:3.2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * update-flashplugin-nonfree: Added use of gpg --verify to notice files
 without signature.  Thanks to Ansgar Burchardt for reporting the security
 issue (via private e-mail on 13 Dec 2012).
   * get-upstream-version.pl: Added validation of link to flash.
 Thanks to Henrik Ahlgren for reporting the security issue (on
 debian-security on 12 Dec 2012).
   * debian/postinst: Added removal of cached get-upstream-version.pl so that a
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Accepted klavaro 1.9.6-1 (source amd64)

2012-12-09 Thread Bart Martens
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Version: 1.9.6-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 klavaro- Flexible touch typing tutor
Changes: 
 klavaro (1.9.6-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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   * debian/patches/blinking_cursor_fix.diff: Removed.
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Accepted tvtime 1.0.2-10 (source amd64)

2012-12-07 Thread Bart Martens
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Source: tvtime
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Architecture: source amd64
Version: 1.0.2-10
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Changed-By: Bart Martens ba...@debian.org
Description: 
 tvtime - television display application
Closes: 445192 694892
Changes: 
 tvtime (1.0.2-10) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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Re: Mass bug filling about proprietary code of adobe in our type1 fonts

2012-11-25 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 02:34:34PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
 If there is code in a font that has a license attached to it which does
 not meet the DFSG, then it should go out of Debian; not because we're
 not allowed to keep it in Debian by the author of said code, but because
 we don't *want* it to be in Debian, according to the DFSG.

I agree with Wouter on the above.  Moreover, if it doesn't have a license, or
it's not clear whether there is a license, or if the license doesn't allow
redistribution, then it must go out of Debian not because we want it out but
because we're not allowed to redistribute it, not even in section non-free.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: Mass bug filling about proprietary code of adobe in our type1 fonts

2012-11-25 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 02:39:58PM +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote:
 Quoting Bastien ROUCARIES (roucaries.bast...@gmail.com):
  Hi,
  
  I plan to fill a mass bug filling due to a  proprietary code of adobe
  in fonts hinting that is included in our fonts.
 
 Sure, it's a good idea to delay the release a little bit more, again.
 
 /me sometime secretly hopes that developers make better use of their
 time, for instance by fixing RC bugs instead of trying to find Yet
 Another Obscure Way To Send RC bugs.

If we would postpone submitting RC bugs just to get wheezy released sooner,
then we would be hiding problems, and we agreed on not doing that in the Social
Contract.  Let's not discourage submitting new RC bugs but encourage everyone
to get RC bugs fixed to get wheezy released.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: Mass bug filling about proprietary code of adobe in our type1 fonts

2012-11-25 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 06:43:41PM +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote:
 Quoting Mehdi Dogguy (me...@dogguy.org):
  On 11/25/2012 02:39 PM, Christian PERRIER wrote:
   Quoting Bastien ROUCARIES (roucaries.bast...@gmail.com):
   Hi,
   
   I plan to fill a mass bug filling due to a  proprietary code of
   adobe in fonts hinting that is included in our fonts.
   
   Sure, it's a good idea to delay the release a little bit more,
   again.
   
  
  It will not delay the release, if we agree on ignoring them for Wheezy
  (only).

Assuming the material is OK to redistribute.

 
 That's correct. It will only make some maintainers lose valuable time
 as well as consume a bit more time of the release team.
 
 PS (to address Bart concerns): the point is not hiding problems. The point is 
 that for *every*
 Debian release I've witnessed, such nitpicking thingies always come
 during the freeze time. I'd prefer nitpickers to be more active during
 the 1.5 year where development of the future release is active.

It's nitpicking depending on how serious one takes the DFSG.  Bug reports are
free to be active whenever they want.  Let's not discourage bug reporters by
calling them nitpickers and by giving the impression that the bug reports would
be less welcome during the freeze time.  In this case I welcome Bastien's
initiative.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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off topic (Re: major linux problems summary 2012)

2012-11-04 Thread Bart Martens
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 12:03:37PM +0100, Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
  Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
  today in 2012 I'm struggling with many
  problems with setup/tunning my Dell Latitude E6510 and Ubuntu
 Currently my laptop works under Ubuntu
 I don't know where are also Debian specific
 Secondly I'm only a user of OS not a developer. :-)

This mailing list is about development of Debian, not about using Ubuntu.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/

In case you want to try using Debian, here's a mailing list for help and
discussion among users of Debian:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: [PROPOSAL v2] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-11-02 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 07:10:06PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Bart Martens wrote:
  On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 06:41:24PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
  Maybe an example will help get us on the same page.  Russ seems to
  have the impression that my proposal is somehow a license to push
  unwanted changes at a maintainer.  That is not true.
 
  Let's consider mlocate as a hypothetical:
 
  - The contributor wants a new upstream for better hurd support
  - He prepares an nmu of that new upstream (making sure to not modify
  the maintainer's build setup and packaging style)
  - He convinces a DD that this is worthwhile to sponsor, and that DD
  decides that he is willing to take the social risk involved if
  something goes wrong
  - The DD uploads the package to DELAYED/whatever we agree is long
  enough and sends an nmudiff to the mlocate bts
  - The maintainer gets the mail, cancels the upload, and says to the
  contributor for me hurd support is not enough to take the risk of a
  new upstream upload
  - In this case, the contributor would probably say ok that's fine, and
  not push it further
  - But if he really thought it was that important, he would take it to
  the Tech Committee, and in this case, the committee would most likely
  side with the maintainer's opinion
 
  In this scenario the contributor should have talked to the maintainer before
  requesting a sponsor.
 
 This would be something that his potential DD sponsors would have
 taken into consideration before agree to a sponsorship.

Well OK, then the contributor should have talked to the maintainer before
requesting a sponsor, and the sponsor should have verified that before
uploading.

 So, yes, I've
 taken a bit of liberty in terms of assuming that a DD could be
 convinced that mlocate was in a state where this needs to happen when
 clearly its not.
 
 Since this is a hypothetical, I'm free to set constraints, so please
 assume mlocate were in a worse state than it really is above.

I commented on the the described scenario, not on mlocate.  But also for
mlocate, I don't see any bug NMU intent in the bts, and Svante Signell has
confirmed that bug 669368 was not an NMU intent.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=mlocate

I'm not sure how all this would fit in the debate on Lucas' proposal about
orphaning.  I guess that mlocate is not the perfect example to evaluate Lucas'
proposal with.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: [PROPOSAL v2] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-11-02 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 01:58:28PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Bart Martens wrote:
  wine: http://bugs.debian.org/585409 (new upstream pushed via nmu)
 
  This is a good example where talking helped to gather all views on all 
  aspects
  from all involved people.  My impression is that finally the maintainer 
  allowed
  new co-maintainers doing things differently.  That does not really match 
  Lucas'
  proposal which is about marking packages as orphaned so that they can be 
  taken
  over by a new maintainer.
 
 It matches my proposal where interested contributors apply nmus as
 needed to improve the situation, then eventually become uploaders.

I didn't say that the series of NMUs should be used as a model for a new
procedure in dev-ref.  I said that my impression is that finally the maintainer
allowed new co-maintainers doing things differently.

I understand that you meant to bring attention back to your proposal, so I
looked it up here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/10/msg00524.html

I already briefly commented on it here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/10/msg00562.html

Other than that, I cannot support your proposal, because I really think that
when a maintainer is not maintaining a package anymore that new contributors
should get full package (co-)maintainership from the start, with consent from
the (previous) maintainer or from the TC or after orphaning.  Lucas' proposal
currently only addresses how the package could be orphaned.  An NMU is meant as
an occasional help, not as a step in taking over maintenance.  I agree however
that a series of NMUs is often one of the signs that the maintainer is not
maintaining the package anymore.

 
  python2.6: http://bugs.debian.org/679030 (new upstream pushed via nmu)
 
  This does not seem to be an example of the maintainer refuses to package 
  any
  newer upstream.  This seems to be just an NMU, not related to Lucas' 
  proposal.
 
 As we were getting close to the freeze, python2.6 was in a poor
 situation where it was going to ship with 2.6.7 in wheezy, and thus
 lack a whole bunch of security updates.  Julien Cristau made the
 decision that this would be unacceptable, and prepared a new upstream
 nmu resolving the inactivity.
 
 This is certainly a case of a maintainer acting in an unproductive
 manner.  The previous 2.6.7 upload was made almost an entire year
 prior to that.

I don't see a maintainer acting in an unproductive manner but rather a
package that got temporarily less attention so occasional help from others via
NMU was helpful.  Now that I look at this example again I see Julien Cristau's
upload as a one-time co-maintenance contribution with an NMU version.
According to the changelog the newer upstream release was already prepared by
the maintainer.
http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/python2.6/news/20120624T103440Z.html
So again, this does not seem to be an example of the maintainer refuses to
package any newer upstream.  This seems to be just an NMU, not related to
Lucas' proposal about orphaning packages.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: [PROPOSAL v2] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-11-01 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 07:16:56PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Bart Martens wrote:
  On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 09:32:40AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
  How to solve the following problem: Assume a package with wishlist bugs
  filed lagging behind upstream and the maintainer refuses to package any
  newer upstream, not even into experimental. And in general there is an
  interest (from several people) in having the new upstream versions
  packaged. Can this package become salvaged in some way by the ITS/ITO
  procedure?  I think this is a rather common case, a cautious maintainer
  and some more adventurous salvagers.
 
  Can you give a few examples, if this is a rather common case ?
 

I asked examples from Svante Signell and got examples from Michael Gilbert.
Let's have a look :

 wine: http://bugs.debian.org/585409 (new upstream pushed via nmu)

This is a good example where talking helped to gather all views on all aspects
from all involved people.  My impression is that finally the maintainer allowed
new co-maintainers doing things differently.  That does not really match Lucas'
proposal which is about marking packages as orphaned so that they can be taken
over by a new maintainer.

 python2.6: http://bugs.debian.org/679030 (new upstream pushed via nmu)

This does not seem to be an example of the maintainer refuses to package any
newer upstream.  This seems to be just an NMU, not related to Lucas' proposal.

 mlocate: http://bugs.debian.org/669368 (new upstream could have been
 pushed via nmu before the freeze, but it was prepared too late)

Same here, this does not seem to be an example of the maintainer refuses to
package any newer upstream, and the prepared NMU seems to be just that, not
related to Lucas' proposal.  (Also, the prepared NMU seems still not ready, in
my opinion.)

 many others I'm sure

Do we have examples of the rather common case Svante Signell described that
are not yet solved ? Cases where we can evaluate Lucas' proposal with ?

I doubt that we can find (many) such examples, because when the maintainer
refuses to package any newer upstream then there is obviously a disagreement,
and the proposed ITO procedure was meant to deal with obvious cases, not with
disagreements/disputes.

 
 It's not that common to encounter maintainer's with this kind of
 unproductive attitude, but when it does happen it seems to occur
 rather often in important packages.  Thus, we should really have a
 documented guideline for these cases.  The go ahead and fix it via nmu
 is one solution that has been quite effective so far and seemingly
 uncontroversial to the maintainers that had been getting in the way.

I think that Lucas' proposal is not meant to address cases where the maintainer
has an unproductive attitude or is getting in the way, but rather meant for
the obvious cases, where a consensus to mark the package as orphaned is reached
easily.

My thoughts on this debate at this point, not related Michael Gilbert's message
I'm now replying to, is that I read many opinions and not many examples.  I
think that using examples of real packages in Debian could help to find common
situations and to agree on recommended approaches to be documented in the
dev-ref.  This debate would make more sense to me when it is brought closer to
reality, with real examples of packages in Debian.  Real examples we can
evaluate Lucas' proposal on.

But I shouldn't tell other people to give examples without doing it myself. :-)
So I hereby disclose my whitelist that I meant earlier:
http://qa.debian.org/~bartm/wnpp-rfs-mentors/wnpp-whitelist.txt
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/10/msg00625.html
I would like to allow current practice to be continued regardless of what is
added in dev-ref.  I also welcome additions to dev-ref that invite more people
to help with getting more packages needing a new maintainer identified sooner,
so that these packages can be salvaged by interested new contributors.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: [PROPOSAL v2] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-11-01 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 06:41:24PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
 Maybe an example will help get us on the same page.  Russ seems to
 have the impression that my proposal is somehow a license to push
 unwanted changes at a maintainer.  That is not true.
 
 Let's consider mlocate as a hypothetical:
 
 - The contributor wants a new upstream for better hurd support
 - He prepares an nmu of that new upstream (making sure to not modify
 the maintainer's build setup and packaging style)
 - He convinces a DD that this is worthwhile to sponsor, and that DD
 decides that he is willing to take the social risk involved if
 something goes wrong
 - The DD uploads the package to DELAYED/whatever we agree is long
 enough and sends an nmudiff to the mlocate bts
 - The maintainer gets the mail, cancels the upload, and says to the
 contributor for me hurd support is not enough to take the risk of a
 new upstream upload
 - In this case, the contributor would probably say ok that's fine, and
 not push it further
 - But if he really thought it was that important, he would take it to
 the Tech Committee, and in this case, the committee would most likely
 side with the maintainer's opinion

In this scenario the contributor should have talked to the maintainer before
requesting a sponsor.

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#nmu
  |  Have you clearly expressed your intention to NMU, at least in the BTS? It 
is
  |  also a good idea to try to contact the maintainer by other means (private
  |  email, IRC).  If the maintainer is usually active and responsive, have you
  |  tried to contact them? In general it should be considered preferable that
  |  maintainers take care of an issue themselves and that they are given the 
chance
  |  to review and correct your patch, because they can be expected to be more 
aware
  |  of potential issues which an NMUer might miss. It is often a better use of
  |  everyone's time if the maintainer is given an opportunity to upload a fix 
on
  |  their own.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: [PROPOSAL v2] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-10-31 Thread Bart Martens
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 09:32:40AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
 How to solve the following problem: Assume a package with wishlist bugs
 filed lagging behind upstream and the maintainer refuses to package any
 newer upstream, not even into experimental. And in general there is an
 interest (from several people) in having the new upstream versions
 packaged. Can this package become salvaged in some way by the ITS/ITO
 procedure?  I think this is a rather common case, a cautious maintainer
 and some more adventurous salvagers. 

Can you give a few examples, if this is a rather common case ?

Sometimes there are good reasons to not package a newer upstream release, see
for example bugs 672568 and 687690.  Sometimes the maintainer is simply gone,
see for example bug 671890.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Accepted empty-expect 0.6.19b-1 (source amd64)

2012-10-29 Thread Bart Martens
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Accepted libhttp-cache-transparent-perl 1.1-1 (source all)

2012-10-29 Thread Bart Martens
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Description: 
 libhttp-cache-transparent-perl - Perl module used to transparently cache HTTP 
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Re: [PROPOSAL v2] Orphaning another maintainer's packages

2012-10-27 Thread Bart Martens
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 11:36:15AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
 - there's some disagreement [...]

More disagreement than I expected.

 here is a new version of the last step of
 the proposed procedure:

 For completeness, here is the full proposal. I've also addressed a few
 cosmetic comments.

 Comments?

Thanks for your effort, Lucas.  I don't object against this new text.

However, I also had a look at the open wnpp bugs to get an idea of how packages
are currently being orphaned or put up for adoption in practice.  I started
from all open RFA, O and ITA bugs.  Then I excluded the wnpp bugs for which the
bug submitter is one of the package maintainers.  I also excluded the wnpp bugs
for packages already having Debian QA Group as the maintainer, mostly for
practical reasons, so my study is not complete on this part, but I guess that
there's little discussion about these packages.  Then I excluded the wnpp bugs
for packages for which the maintainer has MIA status inactive, unresponsive,
retiring, mia, needs-wat, retired or removed.  I have read all remaining wnpp
bugs.  I noticed that quite some packages are being orphaned and put up for
adoption without corresponding status in the MIA database.  Sounds alarming,
but in reality things go quite smooth.  The bug submitters seem to be very
reasonable.  At this point I see no problem with the currently open O, RFA and
ITA bugs.  I also realized that I can repeat this study automatically and
periodically, daily or so, to early detect suspicious new O, RFA and ITA bugs.
It is not much work to review the suspicious ones and whitelist the good ones.
The remaining ones can be cancelled or debated.  So maybe we could simply allow
anyone, including non-DDs, to submit O-bugs for packages which seem abandoned
by the maintainer, and to submit ITA-bugs for packages he/she wishes to
salvage.  Sounds revolutionary, but in reality this is more or less already
happening.  Thoughts ? Comments ? Am I overlooking something ?

Regards,

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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - need for sufficient ACKs

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
Hi Lucas,

As you know I agree with you on most aspects.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:10:09AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
   I find third-party reviews
   and ACKs a good way to reinforce the feeling that the orphaning is the
   right thing to do.

Absolutely.

   Note that it's often users who detect unmaintained
   software. With the ACK-based process, it's possible for a user to
   initiate the process.

Yes, the users help is welcome.

   For simple  obvious cases, waiting for a month
   is a bit annoying when someone is willing and ready to take over
   maintenance. it's important to use contributors motivation while it's
   high.

I agree to not demand a delay for the reason you gave.

 
 But anyway, I would not oppose adding something such as:
   If you followed all the steps above, waited for a month, did not
   receive enough ACKs, but nobody NACKed, you can still proceed.

I join Steve L. with wanting a consensus, so the package can be orphaned only
when there are sufficient ACKs.  I expect the cc to debian-qa to draw
sufficient attention from DDs, so I don't expect any problem with this.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - without objection versus requiring ACKs

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 09:06:34AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
 Why not start with a without objection standard and see how it works?

The without objection approach would require a reasonable delay for people to
raise objections (some say two months).  The ACK/NACK approach allows to reach
a consensus in a shorter time, so that for obvious cases the salvaging can
proceed without pointless delay.

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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - skipping pointless delay

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 02:50:46PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
 I'm also not that keen on the idea that the outcome is to orphan the
 package.

Orphaning the package it not the final outcome.  The goal is to get packages
salvaged.  See the two activities explained here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/10/msg00261.html

 The salvager should surely be adding themselves as an Uploader.

If the package is not orphaned, then the maintainer and salvager can agree on
that.  If the package is orphaned, the salvager can adopt the package (ITA).

   3. Wait for objections

For how long ? The proposal includes collecting ACKs so that any pointless
delay can be skipped, resulting in the package being salvaged sooner.

Regards,

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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - getting orphaned packages marked as such

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 04:20:43PM +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
 If someone notices that a package is in need of greater attention, but
 cannot commit to attending it themselves, it's important that the
 packages is marked at least as needing help.
 
 I understand the entire point here is to mark packages which are
 effectively abandoned as orphaned, so that others can see them in the
 wnpp news for instance.
 
 It's certainly better if a new foster maintainer can be found for the
 package right away, but it should IMHO not be mandatory. Prospective
 maintainers, those that want to help Debian but don't know were to
 start, will be able to adopt an orphaned package, but not to salvage
 one in most cases.
 
 Take it as a three body encounter:
  - a package with no effective maintainer;
  - a developer who notices the problem;
  - a prospective maintainer.

I fully agree with all the above with s/developer/person/.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - only for obvious cases

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 03:52:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
 Whether a package is in need of greater attention is not a hard and
 fast objective thing.  It's to a large part subjective.  Perhaps the
 maintainer thinks it's more or less fine, or at least low enough
 priority that the problems are tolerable.

I agree that not every case will be obvious.  When a package has clearly not
been maintained for several years, then it is easy to find three ACKs, so that
the package can be marked as orphaned.  When the maintainer thinks that the
package is more or less fine and doesn't want to put the package up for
adoption, then the ITO procedure should not forcibly orphan the package.

The proposal written by Lucas is, in my opinion, sufficiently clear to address
only the obvious cases.

 It's one thing to say this package is in need of attention which I am
 prepared to commit to providing.  It's quite another to say this
 package is in need of attention but I'm not going to do anything other
 than say it's a problem.

It is, in my opinion, also useful to identify problems even without solving the
problems.

Regards,

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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - maintainer's objection

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:45:21PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
 Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote:
 Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
  Whether a package is in need of greater attention is not a hard and
  fast objective thing.  It's to a large part subjective.  Perhaps the
  maintainer thinks it's more or less fine, or at least low enough
  priority that the problems are tolerable.
 
 Then the maintainer has many options, including but not limited to
 NACK-ing the ITO. One has a lot of possibilities even before it comes
 to
 filing an ITO.
 
 AIUI, with the current proposal, as long as three DDs think it should be
 orphaned, the maintainer's objection is irrelevant.

I would send a NACK because the maintainer objects, and I trust other DDs
subscribed to debian-qa to do the same.  The ITO procedure is not meant to
replace the TC handling conflicts.

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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - liberal NMUs

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 03:09:55PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
 2.  Salvager uploads liberal (10-day delayed) nmus as needed to bring
  the package into a better maintained state.

Lucas' proposal discussed in this thread is about adding a lightweight
procedure to mark obviously unmaintained packages as orphaned.  If you want
NMUs to be more liberal, then please write a proposal for modifying the NMU
procedure and feel free to discuss it in a separate thread.

Regards,

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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - sponsoring

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:05:40PM +, Jean-Michel Vourgère wrote:
 When fixing non important bugs, or improving the package quality, like
 switching to format 3 source, arranging the rules file, and so on, I fear
 it will be very difficult to find a sponsor for these nmus.
 
 Having 3/1 (1/0?) *DD* approving the orphaning will be more easy in these
 cases. After it's done, one can work on more radical changes, that are more
 likely to get sponsored.
 
 I find it sad to see patches hanging for years in the bug tracker.

I fully agree with the above.

I occasionally sponsor packages.  I don't sponsor NMU packages when they
contain changes that don't conform to the NMU procedure.  I understand that it
is difficult for non-DDs to salvage packages via NMUs.  I prefer that an
unmaintained package is simply orphaned, so that the non-DD can adopt the
package with full maintainership.  Much easier to sponsor.

Regards,

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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - goal

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 04:12:03PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
 On 10/26/2012 01:09 PM, Bart Martens wrote:
 I expect the cc to debian-qa to draw sufficient DD's attention.
 And the ACKs are about agreeing on marking a package as orphaned.
 That's the easy part. The salvaging part goes via the existing ITA
 procedure. That's the hard part.
 
 Could anyone explain what broken thing we are trying to fix?
 
 - Is the current process of orphaning broken? (if so: why?)
 - Is there too many hijacks?
 - Not enough salvage?
 
 And more importantly:
 - What do you expect the new procedure will do? What's the goal?

People interested in salvaging an unmaintained package are discouraged by the
current procedures.  The new procedure is meant to add a lightweight procedure
to mark unmaintained packages as orphaned, so that anyone interested can adopt
them without needless delay.  Basically the goal is to increase speed in
getting packages salvaged.

 I have re-read Lucas Nussbaum original post, and I didn't find
 any information about the above.

Some aspects were discussed earlier in different threads than this one.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - need for ACKs, default no orphaning

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 09:59:16AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote:
 Bart Martens ba...@debian.org writes:
 
   I think that sufficient DDs will review the ITOs.  Note that most work is
   already done by the ITO submitter.  Sponsoring a package at mentors 
   (review
   other peoples work) is, in my opinion, much more work than reading an 
   ITO and
   sending an ACK.
  
  On the other hand, ACKing an ITO is much more responsibility, becasue
  it's not only about a package, but about taking over a package too.
 
  No, it is not.  See the two activities explained here:
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/10/msg00261.html
 
 It is still more responsibility than sponsoring, whether you orphan or
 take over the package, because you're not just introducing a new package
 or a new version as with sponsoring, you're not just doing an NMU, but
 you're taking away something from someone. This latter part is what - in
 my opinion - makes ACKing an ITO a much bigger thing than sponsoring or
 NMUs.

When a package has clearly not been maintained for years, then marking it as
orphaned doesn't take away something from someone.

I agree that there is some responsibility involved.  But the work is easy.  In
obvious cases sufficient ACKs will be collected in no time.  When there is
doubt, a NACK is appropriate.  I trust DDs to be responsible with this.

 
  An
  ITO will also contain quite a lot of info about previous attempts at
  updating the package - that's not simple to review either. It is less
  technical too, which can be off-putting to some.
 
  No, an ITO should just enumerate the reasons why the package should be 
  marked
  as orphaned.
 
 And the reasons why the package should be orphaned overlaps quite a bit
 with previous attempts at getting the package fixed/updated/whatever by
 other means.
 
 If there were no previous attempts, then the package should not be
 considered for ITO.

Marking a clearly unmaintained package as orphaned is useful regardless of
previous attempts to update it.

 
   As said elsewhere in the thread, the process needs to be easy and
   efficient. Hunting ACKs is neither easy, nor efficient.
  
   The proposed text is quite easy, in my opinion.
  
  Indeed, it is. Partly because as far as I understand it, it only
  recommends a 3/1 majority, and does not demand it. That's perfectly
  fine.
 
  I guess it's a recommendation because it would go in developers-reference.
  That doesn't mean that it would be OK to randomly orphan packages ignoring 
  the
  recommended procedure in developers-reference.
 
 I never said ignoring the recommended procedure. CC-ing -qa@ is a must,
 I never said otherwise. I merely said that *waiting* for ACK/NACK
 replies should have a timeout, and if no response arrives within a
 reasonable amount of time, we should default to allowing the salvager to
 proceed.
 
 That is all.

I'm with Steve L. on this.  Without sufficient ACKs, no orphaning.

 Without the timeout, we have a hole in the system: how long
 do you have to wait for replies? When is majority reached? As soon as
 3/0? What if that happens within 10 minutes, and a NACK would come on
 the 15th? If waiting for majority does have a timeout, what happens if
 there are no replies for one reason or the other?

Collecting ACKs is useful to avoid needless delay to wait for possible
objections.  It is, in my opinion, OK to conclude the ITO with three ACKs,
without further delay.  If nobody sends ACKs nor NACKs then something went
probably wrong with the cc to debian-qa.

 These I'd love to see clarified. Personally, I'd go with 2-3 weeks tops,

I prefer no delay in the text, but I have no strong opinion on this.

 and default to yes in case of no replies,

Without sufficient ACKs, no orphaning.  My opinion on that is quite strong.

 on the grounds that mistakes
 can be corrected, and we should be civilised enough to not flame the
 salvager to crisp if that happens (since it was us who failed to give
 him feedback in the first place - punishment shall be on us, not the
 salvager).

Of course, the maintainer can re-adopt his/her package during the time it is
orphaned.  But if someone else already has retitled the O to ITA, then in
general that person should be allowed to continue.  Of course, all involved
parties can still talk and agree on something else.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - no ACKs nor NACKs, timeout, defaulting to no

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 09:48:18AM +0200, Gergely Nagy wrote:
 why would it hurt
 to bake in a worst-case scenario with no acks or nacks? (I can accept
 defaulting to no too, after a timeout, as long as there's one. I would
 find the result pointless and silly, but at least it puts an end to it,
 which the current proposal doesn't.)

I would not object against including this in the text.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - maintainer's objection

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 01:58:55PM +0200, Thibaut Paumard wrote:
 Le 26/10/2012 08:46, Bart Martens a écrit :
  On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:45:21PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
  Gergely Nagy alger...@balabit.hu wrote: AIUI, with the current
  proposal, as long as three DDs think it should be orphaned, the
  maintainer's objection is irrelevant.
  
  I would send a NACK because the maintainer objects, and I trust
  other DDs subscribed to debian-qa to do the same.  The ITO
  procedure is not meant to replace the TC handling conflicts.
  
 
 So why not agree now that the maintainer can veto the process?

Because this would raise the question how long should we wait for the
maintainer to object or to remain silent.  In obvious cases, for example when
the package has clearly not been maintained for years, then three ACKs from DDs
should be sufficient to orphan the package, so that the package can be salvaged
quickly, without pointless delay.  In less obvious cases, for example when the
maintainer objects, I trust the DDs to send NACKs to the ITO, so that the
package is not orphaned forcibly.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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Re: [SUMMARY/PROPOSAL] Orphaning another maintainer's packages - full maintainer without restrictions

2012-10-26 Thread Bart Martens
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 09:17:13AM -0400, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
  Well, that's what I was trying to get at: I think your method puts too
  many barriers in the way of someone who wants to take over an effectively
  abandoned package.  It also requires *more* skill than adopting the
  package would otherwise, since you have to be good enough at Debian
  packaging to make minimal chnages within some arbitrary packaging scheme.
  In other words, it requires as much or more skill than doing NMUs, whereas
  adopting a traditionally orphaned package is much easier.
 
 Very much agree. I am much more likely to work on a neglected package if
 I can use the tools that I'm familiar with from my own packages. The
 prospect of having to reverse engineer the packaging before I can make
 any useful changes is very discouraging.
 
 I am *not* a DD, so I think I'm qualified to say that if the goal of the
 proposal is to attract new contributors to help with existing packages,
 being allowed to change the packaging style is crucial.

I strongly agree with what Russ Allbery and Nikolaus Rath wrote above.  When a
package is clearly not maintained, then it should be orphaned, so that a new
contributor can become full package maintainer without any restrictions on the
allowed changes.

Regards,

Bart Martens


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