Re: Debian and our frenemies of containers and userland repos

2019-10-07 Thread Ian Jackson
really useable in the same way. I think the interface I designed and which has subsequently been significantly improved, is a good one, and we should continue to develop and enhance it. Thanks, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @

Re: Possible doc package side-effect from going source-only upload [and 1 more messages]

2019-09-20 Thread Ian Jackson
amely --build=all ? (NB that does not mean build all the things, it means build only "all" things.) Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Possible doc package side-effect from going source-only upload [and 1 more messages]

2019-09-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Dirk Eddelbuettel writes ("Re: Possible doc package side-effect from going source-only upload [and 1 more messages]"): > On 19 September 2019 at 14:51, Ian Jackson wrote: > | This would be a good idea. It is quite some effort but I think you > | would be rewarded with

Re: Possible doc package side-effect from going source-only upload [and 1 more messages]

2019-09-19 Thread Ian Jackson
ules file would > be a lot more readable if you'd dropped all the old commented out code > in it. I agree with this. > (and then I think^wbelieve your arch-all problem could be solved by > switching to dh style...) This would be a good idea. It is quite some effort but I think you woul

Accepted dgit-test-dummy 1.29 (source) into experimental

2019-09-15 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:38:20 +0100 Source: dgit-test-dummy Binary: dgit-test-dummy Architecture: source Version: 1.29 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson Description: dgit-test

Accepted dgit 9.9 (source) into unstable

2019-09-14 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 21:34:13 +0100 Source: dgit Binary: dgit git-debrebase git-debpush dgit-infrastructure Architecture: source Version: 9.9 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson

Accepted dgit-test-dummy 1.28 (source) into experimental

2019-09-14 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 19:57:08 +0100 Source: dgit-test-dummy Binary: dgit-test-dummy Architecture: source Version: 1.28 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson Description: dgit-test

Accepted dgit-test-dummy 1.27 (source) into experimental

2019-09-14 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 19:50:07 +0100 Source: dgit-test-dummy Binary: dgit-test-dummy Architecture: source Version: 1.27 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson Description: dgit-test

Accepted dgit-test-dummy 1.26 (source) into experimental

2019-09-14 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 19:45:36 +0100 Source: dgit-test-dummy Binary: dgit-test-dummy Architecture: source Version: 1.26 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson Description: dgit-test

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github

2019-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > > Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or > > MUSt NOT Github"): > >> Unfortunately, I believe you are in the [wron

Re: should Debian add itself to https://python3statement.org ?

2019-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Jim Popovitch writes ("Re: should Debian add itself to https://python3statement.org ?"): > On Thu, 2019-09-12 at 16:01 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Drew Parsons writes ("should Debian add itself to > > https://python3statement.org ?"): > > > https:/

Re: should Debian add itself to https://python3statement.org ?

2019-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
not be desirable either. I think I trust the Debian Python team to make that tradeoff. But we need to be clear what's going on and communicate early. If python2 is going out of bullseye then there are a lot of bugs that should probably be marked rc fairly soon... thanks, Ian. -- Ian Jackson

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github

2019-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Enrico Zini writes ("Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github"): > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 02:07:52PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I think this does not demonstrate that I am wrong about project's > > overall opinion about this. I am confident that a GR

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa

2019-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
t the maintainer branch. > (Using dgit to upload packages is sadly incompatible with best > practices around packaging.) Using dgit to upload packages is best practice. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github

2019-09-12 Thread Ian Jackson
example fields which refer to upstream source management systems, may (in order to be accurate) still need to refer to proprietary systems. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Common configuration of Debianish build etc. tools

2019-09-11 Thread Ian Jackson
preferences, or machine-local setup. Not ones which are properties of the package and which must therefore be done the same way by all of a package's maintainers - that latter information must be elsewhere (in the source package, recorded in salsa, or something.) -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: When to Salsa

2019-09-10 Thread Ian Jackson
challenge recommending Salsa. > > If you'd like to work on Salsa, including helping Salsa be more free, > reach out to the Salsa admins and see if they can use your help. I think that these objections do not rise to the level that we shouldn't recommend Salsa to people who don't already have an opinion. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Accepted dgit 9.8 (source) into unstable

2019-09-06 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 23:42:15 +0100 Source: dgit Binary: dgit git-debrebase git-debpush dgit-infrastructure Architecture: source Version: 9.8 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson

Re: On the Removal of src:tensorflow [and 1 more messages]

2019-09-05 Thread Ian Jackson
range to mirror your article on some Debian server that would avoid possible future linkrot (although if you plan for your own article to have a good longterm stable url then maybe that's not needed). Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an addr

Re: On the Removal of src:tensorflow [and 1 more messages]

2019-09-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Jonas Smedegaard writes ("Re: On the Removal of src:tensorflow"): > Please beware that there's a huge difference between being able to > stumble upon your notes in a web search - and in the case of a wiki page > to add additional notes to it - and then to have an open invitation to > ask

Re: Proposed build profile: noinsttests

2019-09-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes ("Proposed build profile: noinsttests"): > I would like to propose this build profile for addition to > . I'll add it to the wiki if > there seems to be rough consensus. > > Name: noinsttests > Changes content of binary packages: No

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
to do that work. (The same way we expect our downstreams to file bugs, not expect us to guddle around in their systems looking for stuff to take.) Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-31 Thread Ian Jackson
dpackage. Oh, interesting. In that case Ted might find that using `dgit push-source', `dgit sbuild' or `dgit pbuilder' work where `dgit gbp-build' doesn't. That probably involves manually running pristine-tar(1) (maybe origtargz would do it the right way?) Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese op

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-30 Thread Ian Jackson
ource package format should be universal, or even the default. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats [and 1 more messages]

2019-08-30 Thread Ian Jackson
g to upload these? Obviously not to Debian. I don't think that invalidates the point. Users are supposed to be able to modify and build software on their own systems without any expectation that the result will go to Debian. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-30 Thread Ian Jackson
Theodore Y. Ts'o writes ("Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats"): > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 11:23:01AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > I think dgit ought to be compatible with the idea of shipping > > upstream's .asc's about, but maybe there are bugs. I don't ever do

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats"): > Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats"): > > Unlike 1.0 (non-native) vs. 3.0 (quilt), where some people prefer one and > > some people prefer the other, I am not aware o

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
of version numbers, there is a corresponding exception for packages which are still entirely in NEW.) Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats"): > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 at 11:56:55 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > If you already don't care about bit-identical upstream tarballs, then > > dealing with these tarballs is a reasonably well-solved problem.

Re: dput problem: Ancient sha256sum? [and 1 more messages]

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
1 revision, or even that it must have a -1 or -0.1 revision. I think the practice of reusing version numbers for different packages is confusing. It leads to mistakes, and should be deprecated. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
t a warning. (There is an awkardness here in that you can sometimes unintentionally generate a native format source package if your origs are missing...) HTH. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
tream's .asc's about, but maybe there are bugs. I don't ever do this so I don't know if it works and I doubt there are tests for it. So, if you have a package where you want to use dgit push and you find the upstream .asc is not being included, please file bug(s). Thanks, Ian. -- Ian JacksonT

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
Holger Levsen writes ("Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2"): > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 05:07:00PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > In my proposal the source package is reproducible (in the > > "reproducible builds" sense)

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-29 Thread Ian Jackson
e which is missing is the monorepos. They present additional difficulties because the maintainer tag name must include the package name, so can't conform to standard gbp or DEP-14 practice. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
sense) from the uploader's signed git tag. That is admittedly less convenient to verify than the just checking the .dsc signature. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
campaign discussions made it look like the time might be right. I had lots and lots of positive conversations in Curitiba. Generally people were super keen and ready with encouragement, detailed critical review, etc., according to their nature. My current proposal includes the results of those conv

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
mportant. I have thought about these matters a lot and it is true that I am by now convinced that this cannot be achieved other than with something roughly like my approach. And I don't think it can be achieved without raising the same concerns as we see here. > I think I don't have a lot more

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
rticular .dsc; that's an output artefact. The uploader intends to release some git commit. So the .dsc should be traceable to that git commit. Currently it is not. With my proposal the .dsc is traceable to the git history, including the uploader's signed tag. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > The mapping from git tag to .dsc is nontrivial. git tag to > > .dsc construction (or verification) is complex and offers a > > large attack surf

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
of privsep. (As a result, that privsep is the substantial part which is not yet implemented.) The review of my public v1 draft resulted in my proposals for facilitating double checks by dak, and general improvements to traceability. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I email

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
n't weigh heavily when > you're on a moral crusade. Maybe you could assume good faith ? For example you could assume that I had missed something, as I said I might have done, rather than implying that I am deliberately missing things out and then shouting at me. :-(. Ian. -- Ian Jackso

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2"): > [stuff] Argh. A bunch of people helped me refine this but I sent an early draft by mistake. I guess it's too late to hope people will read only the better version, but here it is an

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-27 Thread Ian Jackson
atch queue manipulation is done using tools from src:git-buildpackage. Thanks, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Consensus Call: Git Packaging Round 1

2019-08-27 Thread Ian Jackson
lows as obsolete when there are people making cogent arguments why those established workflows are (at least in some respects) better than newer ones. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-27 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2"): > Thanks for all the comments on the draft service architecture I posted > in late July. [1] I have made a v2, incorporating the various helpful > suggestions, and the information from the t

Re: Consensus Call: Git Packaging Round 1 [and 1 more messages]

2019-08-27 Thread Ian Jackson
have carefully avoided any discussion of the merits in my message, and am happy to wait. Ian. [1] Both `dgit push-source' and `git debpush' publish your actual git history on the dgit git server in a form useful for users, so I have argued, and will continue to argue, that there are good reasons to

Accepted vacation 3.3.3 (source) into unstable

2019-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 11:47:49 +0100 Source: vacation Binary: vacation Architecture: source Version: 3.3.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Phil Brooke Changed-By: Ian Jackson Description: vacation - email

tag2upload service architecture and risk assessment - draft v2

2019-08-20 Thread Ian Jackson
and the subsequent thread: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2019/07/msg00501.html -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Bits from the Release Team: ride like the wind, Bullseye!

2019-08-18 Thread Ian Jackson
DO list, except not at the top). I already made grep-excuses print this information. It has been very helpful to me. Maybe we should make --autopkgtests the default ? Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Building GTK programs without installing systemd-sysv?

2019-08-17 Thread Ian Jackson
g dbus-user-session seem common enough that it would probably be worth doing this as a workaround, if it would be effective. (Which it seems like it probably would be.) Adam, have you tested this (on both systemd and sysvinit systems) ? Thanks, Ian. (at the Worldcon in Dublin so not got t

Re: salsa.debian.org partially down

2019-08-17 Thread Ian Jackson
gregor herrmann writes ("Re: salsa.debian.org partially down"): > Ack. And that's all I wanted to say: that I found Ian's term "foolish > user action" inappropriate in this case of an accidental DOS. Err, yes. I retract that comment. I had misunderstood what had occur

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning (was Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID)

2019-08-15 Thread Ian Jackson
on, etc.) then we could implement that in our own arrangements even if upstream haven't taken those patches yet. Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: salsa.debian.org partially down

2019-08-14 Thread Ian Jackson
s, this is not an appropriate strategy for salsa. I hope that you find this message useful, rather than just a statement of things which are mostly obvious and/or irrelevant. Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org

Accepted dgit 9.7 (source) into unstable

2019-08-10 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 01:11:01 +0100 Source: dgit Binary: dgit git-debrebase git-debpush dgit-infrastructure Architecture: source Version: 9.7 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson

Re: Please stop hating on sysvinit

2019-08-09 Thread Ian Jackson
t and drop privileges. And of course there is authbind.[1] Ian. [1] which I wrote and maintain, insofar as maintenance is needed. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID

2019-08-07 Thread Ian Jackson
-default leaf packages. For me, if I were doing (say) RC bugfixing and was considering asking for a removal, even a moderate popcon figure would give me pause. Conversely, a low popcon figure would encourage me to consult on removing the package. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own.

Re: Bits from the Release Team: ride like the wind, Bullseye!

2019-08-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer writes ("Re: Bits from the Release Team: ride like the wind, Bullseye!"): > No, what I have been perceiving (and pretty please note that this is my > personal "feeling") is that maintainers, specially library maintainers, have > even more and more "stuff to

Please stop hating on sysvinit (was Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)

2019-08-07 Thread Ian Jackson
Marc Haber writes ("Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?"): > We have already thrown sysvinit away. No, we have not. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/sysvinit https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=sysvinit#_2_4_5

Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?

2019-08-07 Thread Ian Jackson
running component that waits for the > right time. Right. And as you say it is therefore systemd-cron whose behaviour is at issue, not systemd's. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?

2019-08-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Philipp Kern writes ("Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?"): > On 2019-08-05 17:34, Ian Jackson wrote: > > With current code the options are: > > > > A. Things run in series but with concatenated output and no individual &g

Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?

2019-08-05 Thread Ian Jackson
nowledgeable people will not have too much trouble interpreting combined output, and maybe have external monitoring arrangements anyway. Conversely, heisenbugs and load spikes are still undesirable. So they should also choose (A). IOW reliability and proper operation is more important than sep

Re: tag2upload (git-debpush) service architecture - draft

2019-08-03 Thread Ian Jackson
-to-source-package transformations. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: tag2upload (git-debpush) service architecture - draft

2019-08-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: tag2upload (git-debpush) service architecture - draft"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > This requirement can be met (as I mentioned before) by > > including the tag object data as a file in the upload (listed > > in .changes). The signat

Re: tag2upload (git-debpush) service architecture - draft

2019-08-02 Thread Ian Jackson
ntioned before) by including the tag object data as a file in the upload (listed in .changes). The signature can be verified without any further data. A git bundle is not needed. I just need to know what filename I should give it. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from

Re: B-D on src package? (was: Re: Challenge from Julia's non-standard vendored openblas"64_"

2019-07-31 Thread Ian Jackson
Johannes Schauer writes ("Re: B-D on src package? (was: Re: Challenge from Julia's non-standard vendored openblas"64_""): > We have to think about a good syntax for the Build-Depends field > which is able to express a build dependency on source packages > unpacked to /usr/src Can I make a

Re: tag2upload (git-debpush) service architecture - draft

2019-07-31 Thread Ian Jackson
se). Perhaps I have misunderstood what you mean by "validate the PGP signature". Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: tag2upload (git-debpush) service architecture - draft

2019-07-31 Thread Ian Jackson
ient. So generating the .dsc on the user's system defeats the object of the exercise. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: tag2upload (git-debpush) service architecture - draft

2019-07-31 Thread Ian Jackson
g object has a signature which is verifiable without relying on the git object hash system. The tag text directly contains the source package name, and version, and intended upload target. > I don't know if any of this requires a new dpkg source format to > implement properly. I don't thi

Re: tag2upload (git-debpush) service architecture - draft

2019-07-28 Thread Ian Jackson
e practical to make this tag other than with git-debpush (or some other special utility with the same code). Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

And in 2019? Re: -flto to become more of a routine - any change in opinion since 2011?

2019-07-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Steffen Möller writes ("And in 2019? Re: -flto to become more of a routine - any change in opinion since 2011?"): > We just had SuSE embracing LTO > (https://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/opensuse-enables-lto-by-default-for-tumbleweed-smaller-faster-binaries.html). > I am not sure about the

Re: Challenge from Julia's non-standard vendored openblas"64_"

2019-07-28 Thread Ian Jackson
irectly helpful to you right now, but: If we could build-depend on source packages, you could combine these two ideas into something that might be less awful. Anyway, good luck. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a p

Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?

2019-07-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Marc Haber writes ("Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?"): > On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 19:02:16 +0100, Ian Jackson > >I worry about additional concurrency. Unlike ordering bugs, > >concurrency bugs are hard to find by testing. So

Re: Salsa.d.o: Please support the implementation request for a global config option to change the default for "Custom CI config path" in Gitlab

2019-07-27 Thread Ian Jackson
be a one-off change to a fairly new interface. Conversely, retaining the current default setting will cause needless friction for all new projects forever (or, at least, so long as gitlab and salsa exist). Ian. (maintainer of a package with an upstream .gitlab.yml which therefore causes trouble in sal

Re: Salsa.d.o: Please support the implementation request for a global config option to change the default for "Custom CI config path" in Gitlab

2019-07-27 Thread Ian Jackson
git repositories on Salsa are most commonly > used for Debian packaging where we try to minimize delta vs upstream > source code: Thanks for this lucid explanation of the technical reasons why we should be using our own yml path for this. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own.

Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?

2019-07-27 Thread Ian Jackson
bad idea. The objective is to run them "at some point", not to get it done as soon as possible. Running them in sequence will save electricity, may save wear on components, and will reduce overall impact on other uses of the same system. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my ow

Re: tag2upload (git-debpush) service architecture - draft

2019-07-27 Thread Ian Jackson
action sounds like less work for > me and result in less likelihood of me forgetting a step (either the > push to salsa, or sometimes an upload). Right. Thanks for your support. > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 02:56:22AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Please see this blog post to lea

Re: Sorce only uploads with sbuild (was: Bits from the Release Team)

2019-07-26 Thread Ian Jackson
.orig if it is going to be needed, and not otherwise. Ie dgit doesn't guess based on the version number. (It will also spot if the .orig you have is not the same as the one in the archive.) Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.o

Accepted dgit 9.6 (source) into unstable

2019-07-25 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 13:12:08 +0100 Source: dgit Binary: dgit git-debrebase git-debpush dgit-infrastructure Architecture: source Version: 9.6 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson

tag2upload (git-debpush) service architecture - draft

2019-07-23 Thread Ian Jackson
r signature verification, we are much more vulnerable to DoS. An approved signer can get the service to do a lot of work. That is the purpose of the service, indeed. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Accepted dgit-test-dummy 1.25 (source) into experimental

2019-07-23 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 21:12:59 +0100 Source: dgit-test-dummy Binary: dgit-test-dummy Architecture: source Version: 1.25 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson Description: dgit-test

Bug#932753: tag2upload should record git tag signer info in .dsc

2019-07-22 Thread Ian Jackson
Package: dgit-infrastructure Version: 9.4 Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: git & Debian packaging sprint report"): > On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, Ian Jackson wrote: > > IME as a sponsor I get (AFAICT) no mails as a result of my sponsorship > > signatures so I think ther

Accepted dgit-test-dummy 1.24 (source) into experimental

2019-07-21 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 01:24:42 +0100 Source: dgit-test-dummy Binary: dgit-test-dummy Architecture: source Version: 1.24 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson Description: dgit-test

Re: git & Debian packaging sprint report

2019-07-21 Thread Ian Jackson
to use this service right away. Ie I think you would consider this a blocker for you to use it as a sponsor. Do you consider this a blocker for deployment at all ? Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a pr

Re: file(1) now with seccomp support enabled [and 1 more messages]

2019-07-21 Thread Ian Jackson
tectures and you could depend on that. It would centralise the unsupported arch list and could be generated easily by src:libseccomp-dev. Can anyone see a problem with this idea ? Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Re: Does debhelper prune empty directories?

2019-07-21 Thread Ian Jackson
o debian-python. Empty directories are not representable in git. So I (and other git users) would appreciate it if you would make your package not contain them, or at least still build if they are removed. I consider this a bug in git but my git Stockholm syndrome means I am asking you to work

Re: git & Debian packaging sprint report

2019-07-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: git & Debian packaging sprint report"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > I think in general those places are probably mistakes. But I'm not > > aware of all of them. One way to look at this is that from the > > archive's point of view this r

Re: trends.debian.net updated

2019-07-21 Thread Ian Jackson
only" ? Writing this I just thought of another chart which might be very interesting. Last upload. (By Debian release intervals maybe, rather than by years?) Regards, Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk,

Re: git & Debian packaging sprint report

2019-07-21 Thread Ian Jackson
ag2upload model of course preserves the original uploader's identity in the form of the signature on the tag they make to instruct the robot. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opinions are my own. If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.

Accepted dgit 9.4 (source) into unstable

2019-07-20 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:26:32 +0100 Source: dgit Binary: dgit git-debrebase git-debpush dgit-infrastructure Architecture: source Version: 9.4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson

Accepted dgit 9.3 (source) into unstable

2019-07-17 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 03:10:25 +0100 Source: dgit Binary: dgit git-debrebase git-debpush dgit-infrastructure Architecture: source Version: 9.3 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson

Re: The noudeb build profile and dh-only rules files

2019-07-10 Thread Ian Jackson
not sure where I should send this so that the next person with your question finds it (other than just posting it to -devel when it seems relevant). I highly recommend the approach of writing a comment next to each override etc., explaining what it's there for. Ian. -- Ian JacksonThese opin

wanted: recommendation for webhook queueing library/thing

2019-07-10 Thread Ian Jackson
Sean Whitton writes ("git & Debian packaging sprint report"): > Main achievement > > > We designed and implemented a system to make it possible for DDs to > upload new versions of packages by simply pushing a specially formatted > git tag to salsa. > > Please see this blog post

Accepted dgit 9.2 (source) into unstable

2019-07-09 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 22:01:25 +0100 Source: dgit Binary: dgit git-debrebase git-debpush dgit-infrastructure Architecture: source Version: 9.2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson

Accepted dgit 9.1 (all source) into unstable, unstable

2019-07-09 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2019 14:28:27 +0100 Binary: dgit dgit-infrastructure git-debpush git-debrebase Source: dgit Architecture: all source Version: 9.1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson

Accepted dgit-test-dummy 1.23 (source) into experimental

2019-07-07 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 19:52:46 +0100 Source: dgit-test-dummy Binary: dgit-test-dummy Architecture: source Version: 1.23 Distribution: experimental Urgency: medium Maintainer: Ian Jackson Changed-By: Ian Jackson Description: dgit-test

Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Paul Wise writes ("Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format"): > On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 12:19 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > What should another Debian contributor do, who wants to make a change > > to the upstream source, but wants to do so

Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-07-04 Thread Ian Jackson
e as requiring quilt. Ian. [1] Or convert the package to some other format for doing their development work and testing, or base their actual development work and testing on a dgit import, and then convert the result back to your git branch at the end. Certainly that is what I would do. --

Re: dgit advocacy again (Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format)

2019-07-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Andreas Tille writes ("Re: dgit advocacy again (Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format)"): > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 01:49:13PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Anyway, I'm very happy to talk to you (or anyone) about your own > > situation in

Re: dgit advocacy again (Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format)

2019-07-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Andreas Tille writes ("Re: dgit advocacy again (Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format)"): > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 11:41:34AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > People like you are precisely the intended users of "dgit push --gbp". > > &

dgit advocacy again (Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format)

2019-07-03 Thread Ian Jackson
tices / repository format"): > On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 12:49:05PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > My table is supposed to be useable without knowing anything about > > dgit. > > That's the case for me. I need to admit that I did not used dgit. The > reason is that I'm

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