Re: Wifi en debian

2019-10-20 Thread Jeremy Stanley
available from https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/ which have it baked in. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Discussion tooling

2019-10-06 Thread Jeremy Stanley
today if it hadn't been the first line breached in the spam wars. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Discussion tooling (was: Bits from the DPL (August 2019))

2019-10-05 Thread Jeremy Stanley
s they're familiar with and then complain about the medium--asking for (or better still, implementing themselves) improvements in the tools they use is going to be the last thing they consider. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Discussion tooling (was: Bits from the DPL (August 2019))

2019-10-02 Thread Jeremy Stanley
e message IDs replied to within each message's headers, precisely so that readers can construct a reference graph of message relationships for this use case. If you find that mailing list discussions lack a tree-like structure, that's a failing of the mail client you've chosen, not the medium itself. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Bits from the DPL (August 2019)

2019-10-01 Thread Jeremy Stanley
man 3 is (mailman3-full metapackage), though I gather that distinction makes little difference to DSA as members have stated on multiple occasions they prefer not to rely on Debian packaging for services they operate. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Git Packaging Round 2: SHOULD Not or MUSt NOT Github

2019-09-14 Thread Jeremy Stanley
nning it. Instead I chose to move on and spend my limited time furthering software freedom in other venues where it can actually make a difference. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
makes it hard to > identify activists by having the software installed). Note that by way of counterargument, Google and its services have been blocked in mainland China by the Great Firewall for nearly a decade now, so I question whether there is really such a thing as "too big to block." -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
think it comes down to whether you consider the biggest privacy risk to come from focused/local attacks (in which case the new default is a benefit) or from global dragnet trawling by "big brother" (in which case nearly everyone in the World trusting the same small number of companies

Re: Mozilla Firefox DoH to CloudFlare by default (for US users)?

2019-09-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
sarily better than the other? My ISP can spy on far fewer users than Cloudflare can, so on balance this seems like a net loss for privacy. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Git Packaging: Native source formats

2019-08-28 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ts directly from tagged Git repository states, that does necessarily imply performing similar steps to generate or extract this metadata for use in their packages. Others may simply wish to consume the prepared tarballs where this step has already been performed for them. -- Jeremy Stanley signature

Re: Consensus Call: Git Packaging Round 1

2019-08-27 Thread Jeremy Stanley
concept from which Debian should relieve itself. [*] https://bugs.debian.org/debbugs-source/mainline/COPYING [**] https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ee/blob/master/ee/LICENSE -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Gitlab support in Zuul (was: salsa.debian.org partially down)

2019-08-16 Thread Jeremy Stanley
of automated testing in Debian relying on free/libre open source software, but have no interest in viewing choice between these solutions as a competition. When any one free software solution wins, we all win. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Please stop hating on sysvinit (was Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)

2019-08-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
just not found the time to work out how to configure systemd to serve them instead (last I checked the packages for these didn't include a service file), but I've also not felt particularly compelled to as it's really convenient just to be able to put a line in /etc/inetd.conf and HUP it. Systemd having socket activation doesn't automatically make inetd obsolete. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: do packages depend on lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?

2019-08-07 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ou want to be able to build consistent systems across disparate providers. Even if they haven't unnecessarily tampered with official distro images themselves, there's no guarantee that the Debian images they offer are for the same point releases/snapshot dates and so on. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID

2019-08-06 Thread Jeremy Stanley
choice for a CI system, but I've seen far stranger misconfigurations over the years. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: unsigned repositories

2019-07-14 Thread Jeremy Stanley
that note, I just do: apt-ftparchive release . | gpg2 --clear-sign --output InRelease Works great. Would simply adding that to the EXAMPLES section of apt-ftparchive(1) suffice? It's right in line with the existing example of a compressed Packages.gz file. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Descrip

Re: Let's consider using year based release identifiers [was: Re: getting rid of "testing"]

2019-06-29 Thread Jeremy Stanley
y increasing character. [...] And yet you *wouldn't* be confused when Debian 2019.7 is released in 2021? -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Question about Debian build infrastructure

2019-06-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2019-06-10 13:09:52 -0400 (-0400), Kyle Edwards wrote: > On Mon, 2019-06-10 at 16:56 +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote: [...] > > 6. To allow for easier manual verification of key transitions, > > always sign new keys with their predecessors when creating them. > > We haven

Re: Question about Debian build infrastructure

2019-06-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
number of our community release managers transitively attest to those public keys as well for added coverage). There's probably more I'm forgetting, but that's at least a good start at mitigating unattended use of unencrypted keys while maintaining a robust and resilient signing infrastructure. --

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-06-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
[No need to Cc an extra copy, I've been a d-d subscriber since... the 1990s?] On 2019-06-08 13:00:02 -0400 (-0400), Sam Hartman wrote: > Jeremy Stanley writes: > > Your earlier message also implied the motives behind > > Conservancy's recommendations to be something other th

Re: ZFS in Buster

2019-06-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
er than Debian making an informed choice based on advice from Conservancy (and others). Your apparent disagreement with the result comes across as though you're implying an adversarial relationship between Debian and Conservancy which I sincerely hope does not reflect the feelings of the community as a whole. As Harry Tuttle once said, "we're all in it together." -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: .deb format: let's use 0.939, zstd, drop bzip2

2019-05-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2019-05-09 06:27:36 +0900 (+0900), Mike Hommey wrote: > On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 09:04:49PM +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote: [...] > > Are you talking about source packages or binary packages here? The > > latter use ar, not tar. > > Binary packages use both. > > $ a

Re: .deb format: let's use 0.939, zstd, drop bzip2

2019-05-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
n operation. Other formats (zip, 7z, ...) are more > suited for them. Are you talking about source packages or binary packages here? The latter use ar, not tar. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Bug#877900: How to get 24-hour time on en_US.UTF-8 locale now?

2019-02-07 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ocale. As such, using en_DK.UTF-8 for this is as good a default as any in my opinion. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Reusing source package name of long-removed, unrelated package

2019-02-06 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ore than a dozen years have passed, and this choice really hasn't presented a problem whatsoever. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Sending using my @debian.org in gmail

2018-12-05 Thread Jeremy Stanley
cords rejecting messages from people using their debian.org addresses in other ways (for example, yours seems to have been sent through an MTA in GPLHost for relaying to the lists.d.o MX). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Sending using my @debian.org in gmail

2018-11-30 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ered by this combination? Compromise of the cryptographic keys or primitives in use, compromise of the authorized MTAs, compromise of the sender's SMTP submission account, compromise of the sender's MUA/system, and biggest of all of course is recipients who don't validate SPF/DKIM. -- Jeremy Stanley s

Re: Sending using my @debian.org in gmail

2018-11-30 Thread Jeremy Stanley
by killing much of the flexibility of traditional E-mail in the process. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-21 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ge-based software distributions in general are being abandoned (or at best becoming implementation details in some image build automation). Pointing fingers at other distros isn't productive behavior, and certainly isn't a way to keep ours relevant. It's like fighting over the last slice of cake on a sinking ship. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Confusing our users - who is supporting LTS?

2018-10-26 Thread Jeremy Stanley
h in many cases may also mean investing in and getting involved with assisting the OpenStack community's equivalent of the DSA to keep the necessary test infrastructure to support those older releases maintained and viable). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Bumping epoch and reusing package name "elisa"

2018-09-24 Thread Jeremy Stanley
n the archive three Debian releases earlier (removed after Potato). I could have made the case for it, but packages names are cheap and reusing a package name (no matter how old) is just a recipe for headaches. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Specs? Re: salsa.debian.org maintenance (GitLab 11.1.4 upgrade, external storage migration)

2018-08-20 Thread Jeremy Stanley
an alternative you're willing to consider, feel free to follow up with me privately and I'll make introductions. [*] https://github.com/fog/fog-openstack/blob/master/docs/storage.md -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Specs? Re: salsa.debian.org maintenance (GitLab 11.1.4 upgrade, external storage migration)

2018-08-20 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2018-08-20 20:55:46 +0200 (+0200), Alexander Wirt wrote: > On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > > > On 2018-08-20 20:05:42 +0200 (+0200), Alexander Wirt wrote: [...] > > > https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/administration/repository_storage_paths.html > > > https

Re: Specs? Re: salsa.debian.org maintenance (GitLab 11.1.4 upgrade, external storage migration)

2018-08-20 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ng supported storage options for Gitlab *CE* (note the "ee" in those documentation URLs, they're the same ones I already found). Is it to be assumed, generally, that Gitlab's Enterprise Edition documentation is also appropriate for Community Edition deployments? -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: OpenStack dysfunctionality (was: salsa.debian.org maintenance...)

2018-08-19 Thread Jeremy Stanley
services it chooses to deploy for its developer community. And apologies, the OpenStack subthread here got pretty off-topic. I don't normally post about OpenStack on debian-devel (or any other non-OpenStack mailing lists for that matter), but I felt like I really did need to address a few of your points on the subject. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: salsa.debian.org maintenance (GitLab 11.1.4 upgrade, external storage migration)

2018-08-17 Thread Jeremy Stanley
e. Unless there is also a goal to show support for the projects which create those free software backends, by choosing the providers who deploy them over providers who build their own proprietary backends rather than participating in open community development efforts. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: changing git tags on the remote repo

2018-08-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
o "lightweight" tags but those are really just a symlink to a ref and not a typical tag object). Treating published tags as if they can't be changed is far more friendly to other users of your repositories. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: concerns about Salsa

2018-06-07 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ed, reviewed by the root sysadmin team, and then automatically deployed to production) is very empowering for our community at large. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Announce: docker-buildpackage

2018-05-03 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ts Gerrit and GitHub drivers, so could eventually be added as an opt-in solution for Salsa repos if someone has the bandwidth to run an instance (and sooner if someone actually volunteers for writing the Gitlab driver!). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Firefox 60esr on Stretch ?

2018-05-03 Thread Jeremy Stanley
XUL-based extensions was entirely dropped between 52 and 60, users who were relying on any of them will cease to be able to do so and the corresponding packaged versions of them likely need to be dropped from the archive. https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2017/10/03/legacy-add-on-support-on

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-24 Thread Jeremy Stanley
the same as providing an optional Python interpreter within the global system context as Debian has done. At least the projects I work on don't see RHEL software collections Python 3 as remotely supportable. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-24 Thread Jeremy Stanley
elease." [*] https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/7.5_release_notes/chap-red_hat_enterprise_linux-7.5_release_notes-deprecated_functionality > -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-24 Thread Jeremy Stanley
Stack has been thoroughly testing its upstream releases against Python 3 for a while. The reason it was brought up earlier in this thread is because Thomas has recently dropped Python 2.7 builds for it and switched to only building Python 3.x packages. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Descrip

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-21 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ly got a mandate to support latest RHEL, which still doesn't officially provide Python 3.x (and no, "software collections" doesn't count). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: CVE tracking

2018-04-13 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ps://github.com/distributedweaknessfiling/cvelist/tree/master/2018/1000xxx Odds are it'll show up there in the coming days (I don't know how quickly he syncs in IDs he's assigned). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Why do we list individual copyright holders?

2017-12-23 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2017-12-23 15:15:35 -0800 (-0800), Russ Allbery wrote: [...] > I think a separate (public) mailing list dedicated to this would > be ideal [...] As in debian-legal@l.d.o or a completely new ML specifically for copyright documentation discussions? -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: Why do we list individual copyright holders?

2017-12-23 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ts present in the files, but we cannot produce a list of all copyright holders because we have no way to know about copyright holders who have not added copyright statements. (perhaps this is a nuanced distinction, but listing all copyright statements is not the same thing as listing all copyrig

Re: Why do we list individual copyright holders?

2017-12-19 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ations, and what sort of tracking information is actually reasonable to expect a package maintainer or an upstream project to be able to obtain. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Has Copyright summarizing outlived its usefulness?

2017-12-07 Thread Jeremy Stanley
tirely incorrect. (I am not a lawyer.) -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: ISO download difficult

2017-12-05 Thread Jeremy Stanley
e properties. [...] Hopefully "in contrast with ALL the software in Debian" since non-free firmware is not actually part of Debian and merely being provided as a convenience (read: necessary evil) for the user. -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: Question about dpkg Re: X facts about Debian - some fact checking and looking for ideas.

2017-08-29 Thread Jeremy Stanley
g/wiki/Softlanding_Linux_System (feeling kinda old now that I realize that was 25 years ago, still almost seems like yesterday sometimes) -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
think. Not that I've personally tested them together, but this would probably count if someone gets a chance to try: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/swift3/ https://tarballs.openstack.org/swift3/ It's not packaged in Debian though (at least not yet anyway). -- Jeremy Stanley sign

Re: alioth replacement survey

2017-06-28 Thread Jeremy Stanley
rg/legal/CLA.php -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: Please add lzip support in the repository

2017-06-16 Thread Jeremy Stanley
https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2017-06/msg00046.html -- Jeremy Stanley

Accepted weather-util 2.3-2 (source all) into unstable

2017-03-26 Thread Jeremy Stanley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:49:51 + Source: weather-util Binary: weather-util weather-util-data Architecture: source all Version: 2.3-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Jeremy Stanley <fu...@yuggoth.org> C

Re: Bug#856033: ITP: brailleimg -- produce text images and graphs abusing Braille glyphs

2017-02-27 Thread Jeremy Stanley
[...] It's not packaged for Debian yet nor do I see any RFP/ITP, but I've been happily using https://github.com/tehmaze/diagram for a few years (installable from PyPI via pip so probably easy enough to package). Its default mode uses 8-dot Braille patterns for axis graphs. -- Jeremy Stanley

Accepted weather-util 2.3-1 (source all) into unstable

2017-01-25 Thread Jeremy Stanley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:44:27 + Source: weather-util Binary: weather-util weather-util-data Architecture: source all Version: 2.3-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jeremy Stanley <fu...@yuggoth.org> C

Re: What is exactly the "canonical URI" for Vcs-{Git,Browser}?

2017-01-20 Thread Jeremy Stanley
files/dgit/git.dgit.debian.org > so I'm assuming something like that was done for the anonscm service as well. Am I looking in the wrong place for the configuration management covering the anonscm.d.o service, or is that not actually published anywhere? -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: Test instance of our infrastructure

2017-01-15 Thread Jeremy Stanley
miliar with how we maintain the services they use, and so broadens the pool of potential future contributors to related efforts. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian does not have customers, but users

2016-09-18 Thread Jeremy Stanley
for them. Debian helps those who help themselves. -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: UID and GID generation

2016-08-15 Thread Jeremy Stanley
https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/setup.git/tree/uidgid -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: Please, provide a fixed Cloud Image URL for Debian

2016-08-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
ort security is worth anyway). -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

2015-09-18 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-09-18 14:03:17 +0100 (+0100), Ian Jackson wrote: [...] > they could be called some other kind of shed or hut or something. [...] While marvellously entertaining, I can only hope that the irony of this protracted debate is not entirely lost on its participants. -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: GitHub “pull request” is proprietary, incompatible with Git ‘request-pull ’

2015-07-13 Thread Jeremy Stanley
-paste git checkout/cherry-pick commands displayed by the Gerrit WebUI--to retrieve changes; it mostly boils down to what context I'm in as to which is more convenient at any particular point in time. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: GitHub “pull request” is proprietary, incompatible with Git ‘request-pull ’

2015-07-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
it for Debian seems to be difficult. [...] As someone who helps maintain a very high-traffic Gerrit server, I can confirm it's at least as un-fun as any very complex Java-based server application. And apparently packaging it is even less fun... https://bugs.debian.org/589436 -- Jeremy Stanley

Re: GitHub “pull request” is proprietary, incompatible with Git ‘request-pull ’

2015-07-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
for various sorts of git servers (though I'm open to being convinced otherwise). -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Adding support for LZIP to dpkg, using that instead of xz, archive wide

2015-06-18 Thread Jeremy Stanley
of faith in the automatic archive signing keys... we'd definitely be following similar measures to cross-sign, secure and rotate our automatic tarball signing keys. -- Jeremy Stanley signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: git and https

2015-05-28 Thread Jeremy Stanley
jurisdictions where the DNS root keys are managed not to MitM you by fabricating signed resolution chains down to a TLSA record with the cert they want you to see. It all depends on which tinfoil hat you find most comfortable. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: Bug#777643: general: possibly, some keyboard layouts should use U+22C5 DOT OPERATOR instead of U+00B7 MIDDLE DOT

2015-02-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
, not _mine_ specifically, but someone's...) Changing the established values in a keymap out from under users is foolish when the gains are nearly nonexistent and the workaround is relatively trivial for those who actually want to side with hobgoblins. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian

Bug#777643: general: possibly, some keyboard layouts should use U+22C5 DOT OPERATOR instead of U+00B7 MIDDLE DOT

2015-02-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
Waldo Emerson's warning against consistency for consistency's sake--it wasn't meant as a personal slight in any way whatsoever. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-19 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-08-20 02:32:10 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] Good! For the moment, it has worked nicely, apart from the fact that *some* upstream, like Jeremy Stanley, don't like it. I honestly feel sorry about that, especially with people like Jeremy and other OpenStack folks which

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-19 Thread Jeremy Stanley
with their own because their tools/workflows are optimized to do that instead. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140820005735.gy1

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-18 Thread Jeremy Stanley
. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140818204021.gv1...@yuggoth.org

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-18 Thread Jeremy Stanley
investigation wouldn't instead check that the generated tarballs are really based on the correct PGP signed tags? [...] If there is a release-time build step between the VCS tag and the tarball, then this can become nontrivial. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: Standardizing the layout of git packaging repositories

2014-08-15 Thread Jeremy Stanley
of consistency. *Please* don't replace upstream's release tarballs just because they have a VCS. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140815230550

Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

2014-06-25 Thread Jeremy Stanley
like a charm. But given that I prefer ratpoison and a screen full of xterms, I'll bow out of the rest of this thread. -- Jeremy Stanley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-29 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-04-27 20:50:38 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote: [...] Containers would be a better environment, but you have to make them very, very simple to set up. [...] An academic librarian friend of mine has been working with the various departments at his institution to start producing and

Re: Debian default desktop environment

2014-04-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-04-07 12:00:20 +0200 (+0200), Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Quoting Gergely Nagy (2014-04-07 11:10:27) Can we have ratpoison + selected things as default DE for Debian Zurg? Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top? First, create a metapackage, and maintain it. Then when getting

Re: We need a global decision about R data in binary format, and stick to it.

2013-08-05 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-08-05 14:13:15 +0100 (+0100), Ian Jackson wrote: [...] The other is the assertion that this particular case involves a generated data table. If this is the case then the source package needs to contain the source code which generates the table - and, really, it should regenerate the

Re: We need a global decision about R data in binary format, and stick to it.

2013-08-05 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-08-05 16:41:13 +0100 (+0100), Ian Jackson wrote: [...] There should IMO be a standard way to request a source package to do from-scratch rebuilds for this kind of thing, for QA purposes. I absolutely agree. If there were a standard make target or envvar for this purpose I would gladly

[OT] SMTP bad (was: default MTA)

2013-06-12 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-06-12 08:08:17 +0200 (+0200), Daniel Pocock wrote: On 12/06/13 00:02, Jeremy Stanley wrote: That basically just makes the case for relying on (E)SMTP only for transporting messages, but leveraging OpenPGP or S/MIME to provide authentication and confidentiality where required

Re: default MTA

2013-06-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-06-12 02:09:24 +0800 (+0800), Chow Loong Jin wrote: On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 08:01:58PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: What about replacing SMTP? With what? With ESMTP, of course! -- { PGP( 48F9961143495829 ); FINGER( fu...@cthulhu.yuggoth.org ); WWW( http://fungi.yuggoth.org/ );

Re: default MTA

2013-06-11 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-06-11 23:50:01 +0200 (+0200), Daniel Pocock wrote: Something that doesn't have these limitations: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2487#section-7 [...] That basically just makes the case for relying on (E)SMTP only for transporting messages, but leveraging OpenPGP or S/MIME to provide

Re: Default desktop for jessie Was: Re: Debian/Wheezy general rant ...

2013-06-05 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-06-05 15:02:35 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote: [...] Did I miss anything? I don't understand at all how you could have missed such a prime opportunity to rile up the vi vs. emacs debate while you were at it... or am I showing my age? -- { PGP( 48F9961143495829 ); FINGER(

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-05-09 15:58:02 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: On 05/07/2013 10:34 PM, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] Also, the rules in backports is that packages should be already migrated to testing. The point is, if I had PPAs, I wouldn't

Re: Doubts about PPA in Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-05-09 22:55:33 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] And I seriously wished it wasn't the case, and that upstream understood better what the distribution requirements are. [...] Actually, in this case (OpenStack) from what I've seen the upstream community understands the

Re: Git packaging workflow discussion on planet.d.o

2013-04-04 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-04-04 16:00:34 +0200 (+0200), Andreas Tille wrote: [...] I can not see how Joey[1] and Daniel[3] would solve these problem when they are not interested in upstream tarball releases any more. It's worth pointing out, packagers should not assume just because an upstream uses a VCS with

Re: Gerrit, Git requirements, cooperation with others. was: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-03-22 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-22 21:44:21 +0100 (+0100), Guido Günther wrote: Gerrit's Jenkins integration is awesome. [...] OpenStack CI has some additional tools which help avoid the need to interact directly with Jenkins too much. There's Zuul (the gatekeeper) which watches the Gerrit event stream and triggers

Re: Gerrit, Git requirements, cooperation with others. was: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-03-22 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-22 21:08:18 + (+), Jeremy Stanley wrote: [...] watches the Gerrit event stream and triggers jobs in Jenkins as a result of matching again patterns defined a YAML configuration file [...] Yeesh. I clearly shouldn't write E-mail when I'm rushing off to eat. What I meant to say

Re: [RFC] Putting the date back into utsname::version

2013-03-21 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-21 18:07:26 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote: I will at least make a plea for ISO dates rather than the specific date format in the last two examples. I think my favorite is the last example, with an ISO date (2023-03-21). [...] Another alternative, not represented, is epoch

Re: bugs.debian.org: something's wrong...

2013-03-20 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-21 02:15:18 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: On 03/20/2013 11:54 PM, Pascal Giard wrote: I would have much preferred to have this disabled by default. I would have preferred the picture thing to be hosted without gravatar support (libravatar is hosted by a DD, and you can

Re: RE : Gerrit, Git requirements, cooperation with others. was: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-03-09 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-09 23:33:47 +0800 (+0800), Thomas Goirand wrote: [...] I also need to understand how to secure Jenkins. Because by default, it's impressive how much Jenkins is a security hole where you can execute any command. I was tempted to file a bug report against the package because of it.

Re: Gerrit, Git requirements, cooperation with others. was: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-03-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-08 14:52:48 +0100 (+0100), Thomas Koch wrote: [...] http://openstack-ci.github.com/publications/ [...] I'm one of the core developers for the team which manages all that tooling and integration for the OpenStack Project, so I'm happy to discuss some of the nitty-gritty details, any

Re: Gerrit, Git requirements, cooperation with others. was: git dangerous operations on alioth

2013-03-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-03-08 12:44:36 -0800 (-0800), Russ Allbery wrote: Thank you very much for working on this! We use Gerrit extensively but so far just haven't packaged it because it was too intimidating. Agreed, if Gerrit gets packaged in Debian/Ubuntu I'll likely push OpenStack to start using DEBs of

Re: debian/* license of non-free packages

2013-01-10 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2013-01-10 17:54:28 + (+), Bart Martens wrote: I guess you meant : It's conventional (although not entirely legally sound) in the free software community to just assume that the copyright of any patch submitted without any explicit copyright and license statement is transferred

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2012-12-31 10:38:54 -0500 (-0500), Kris Deugau wrote: Serious question - is this a real manpage? If so, which package is it in? [...] It's introduced in Wheezy and available in backports for Squeeze: http://packages.debian.org/distro-info http://bugs.debian.org/559761 -- { WHOIS(

Re: Feedback

2012-12-25 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2012-12-25 22:50:57 +1000 (+1000), Mistikos Nik wrote: [...] Debian use to be really popular. Now only old people use it. [...] I suddenly feel very old. What distribution do twelve-year-old trolls use these days, if not Debian? Have we lost our key demographic? -- { WHOIS( STANL3-ARIN );

Re: Contributor agreements and copyright assignment

2012-12-04 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2012-12-04 12:42:33 -0800 (-0800), Russ Allbery wrote: [...] The main issue for some of us is not so much the ethical objections to these sorts of agreements but rather the fact that our employers flatly are not interested in signing anything of the sort, ever, with anyone. Much of my free

Re: Popularity of bzr-builddeb and dh-make

2012-10-17 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2012-10-17 23:55:08 +0200 (+0200), Philipp Kern wrote: am Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 05:48:39PM -0400 hast du folgendes geschrieben: With the danger of being sued if you put up the result onto the public interwebs. Could you please expand on that? Logo / trademark reasons or license

Accepted weather-util 2.0-1 (source all)

2012-06-27 Thread Jeremy Stanley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:48:37 + Source: weather-util Binary: weather-util weather-util-data Architecture: source all Version: 2.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org Changed-By: Jeremy

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