Shared /usr over NFS, - how does this work? [WAS: Move all to /usr]
Hello Wouter and *, since August 2011 I run an Experimanental-Cloud with 20 IBM eServe x345 and 40 IBM eServer x335... Enough machines to play with it. Since 3 weeks I now have my two 400V/32A/3P CEE Wallets for my two Severracks in my office. Am 2011-10-13 19:38:12, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Provide a simple way of mounting almost the entire system read-only and share it between multiple hosts to save maintenance and space, is what that wiki page says, but I'm not convinced. In theory, you can already share /usr between multiple systems today; but nobody does it, because I was thinking on this, but HOW does this work with the config files? Is thre a Debian HOWTO which descibe this? If software change and the old config is not more compatibel with the nw binaries, your system could become instable... and runing a Cluster or a Cloud with a view dozen, some 100 or 1000 Servers will bring down our entired system. Is thee a HOWTO how to solv this? However, all of my systems have /dev/sda11000 MByte Rescue /dev/sda2 MByte swap /dev/sda3 1 MByte /tmp /dev/sda52000 MByte /Production_1 /dev/sda63000 MByte /Production_1_var_log /dev/sda72000 MByte /Production_2 /dev/sda83000 MByte /Production_2_var_log So, normal I run Production 1 (mounted as /) and have always a seond system too bootup. If something goes realy wired, I a boot Rescue. Now I can update the Second (not runing) production system without any hassless - Keeping your software on a central fileserver introduces a single point of failure that you don't have if you don't do the central fileserver thing Yeah! If it goes down, you have no network anymore... Iprefer this fileserver in an heavyly secured environment and sync my production systems from there if needed. - Moving more off / and into /usr does not free you of the need to synchronize stuff across your systems (you have less to synchronize if you only need to do /etc, but that's actually the hardest part to synchronize) FullACK My rsync on /usr take only 10-20 seconds per server (the sync server has 10GE interfaces to the internal switch and the serves are hanging with there second Eth on this switch) - Frankly, in today's world, the amount of storage you need for your software often pales in comparison to the amount of storage you need for your data. I've rarely had to maintain a network of more than just a few systems that had more than 10G worth of software locally installed. When was the last time you bought a 10G hard disk? If you're still having / be on local disk, you're still going to need a local hard disk. Let's say you can still find a 146G SAS disk somewhere -- that leaves you with 136G of wasted space anyway. :-D In some of my systems I use 4 GByte CF-Cards with an SATA/PATA adapter because I do not need more Diskspace (my master DNS Server is such case) I think it's a bad idea. ;-) The volume of a pizza of thickness a and radius z can be described by the following formula: pi zz a LOL Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional
Hello Josh Triplett, Am 2011-10-13 13:06:49, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:02:11PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote: On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 05:34:52 +0200, Josh Triplett wrote: For most users, these questions will duplicate the process they later go through to configure their MUA. . o O (simply because these MUAs do not use the local sendmail) Few MUAs even have that option. And why should they, when they can talk directly to the user's mail server rather than to a local MTA acting as intermediary and passing mails to the user's mail server? More importantly, MUAs assume (correctly) that most local MTAs don't necessarily know how to send external mail, if they exist at all. But if you do not use the local MTA, you have to configure EACH client manualy... and if you have more then one ISP or Smarthosts, it become worse! Most MUA which support SMTP can not route correctly. other things are worse is not an argument against dropping exim4-daemon-light from standard. :) Right, we should use courier-mta instead! ;-) That's a problem, not a feature. logrotate exists to make sure the disk doesn't fill with logs; no such mechanism exists to make sure the disk doesn't fill with mails. One of many reasons to log rather than sending mail. And having two independent logging mechanisms seems suboptimal at best. Normaly mail to root are forwarded to the user of the system. Or do you wan to say, that exim does not forward the mail to the user? If I am right, all MTAs ask, to which user the root mails schould be forwarded. If you disable forwarding of mail you have broken the system yourself. Would you object less if cron had an option to log to syslog instead of sending mail, and used that option automatically if it didn't find a sendmail? Ehm? Cron is loging since more then 12 years to syslog... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: RFC: Making mail-transport-agent Priority: optional
Hello Paul, Am 2011-10-13 12:13:56, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: The user will not be notified even if the daemons send a mail to them. I don't think any of the desktops GUIs that we ship know anything about the local mail queue unless explicitly configured in an MUA, nor do they notify the user when there is new mail. I was using long time ago (8-10 years) a grafical MUA, which was accessing ~/mail or /var/mail/user. Since I use mutt, it is very good, that mutt use by default ~/mail and the standard spool. Maybe all MUAs in Debian should be configued by the Package Maintainers, to support ~/mail by default or /var/mail/user by default? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Move all to /usr
Hello Matt Zagrabelny, Am 2011-10-11 11:21:30, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: There are good arguments in the following link (Marco provided it with his initial email.) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove I have read this too but what about systems which do not have an initrd? How then can /usr mounted? (I have problems on my Sun Fire X4250 and my storage servers which are working perfectly without inttrd) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: / vs. /usr vs. fsck(8)
Hello Stephan Seitz, Am 2011-10-12 22:20:50, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Most of my systems don’t use initramfs and have / and /usr on different file systems. I am no interested in changing this good tradition. Here too... Using the inittamfs on my 6 storage servers (each 48 HDD 2 TB intern and the same extern)requires rootdelay=3000 and longer. Working without reduce the average boottime to 12 minutes. So please don’t break other people’s setup. 1+ Shade and sweet water! Stephan Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux Internet Service Provider, Cloud Computing http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ itsystems@tdnet Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Owner Michelle Konzack Gewerbe Strasse 3 Tel office: +49-176-86004575 77694 Kehl Tel mobil: +49-177-9351947 Germany Tel mobil: +33-6-61925193 (France) USt-ID: DE 278 049 239 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian mailing lists archives as mbox (was: Re: [Soc-coordination] Debian Teams Activity Metrics - Report IV) [Update]
Hello Andreas Tille, Am 2011-08-04 10:22:43, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: - Parse the existing mboxes and strip them down to the following information Message-id: ID From: Name of poster e-mail@of.poster Date: Date Subject: Subject Content snip So far for the consensus we had reached in private discussion. I did not got a final yes for my suggestion to include the following information which I regard as helpful as well: In-reply-to References I think, they shold be there because otherwise threads are broken and if the archive has 3000 amndmore message it will be a nightmare. Kind regards Andreas. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet Franceitsystems@tdnet Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) Gewerbe Straße 3 50, rue de Soultz 77694 Kehl/Germany 67100 Strasbourg/France Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-176-86004575 office http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Urgent for Neil Williams
Hello Roger Mainwaring-Burton, Am 2011-06-10 11:00:35, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Hi Neil, Sorry to be trying to track you down this way, there's been an electrical problem with the feed to your flat, the cable that goes through my kitchen caught fire, and we've had to turn off your power. Hehehe, this is called a true HOTLINE. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet Franceitsystems@tdnet Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) Gewerbe Straße 3 50, rue de Soultz 77694 Kehl/Germany 67100 Strasbourg/France Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-176-86004575 office http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110610114913.GL4017@michelle1
Re: How to add quilt to an existing package?
Hello Osamu Aoki, Am 2011-04-23 00:20:33, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: I have just converted maint-guide to DocBook XML. Just like developers-reference case, there are some URL changes associated with this migration. If you find any external site with deep linking, please ask them to change URL. Thank you for the update. Have a nice Weekend and many Easter-Eggs! Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy)
Hello Jon Dowland, Am 2011-04-11 10:37:54, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 02:11:38PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Installing NM by default will break systems which where running the last 12 years without flaws. No, it will not. It will not impact *running* systems at all. It will only impact newly installed systems. And this is exactly the problem... I can clone a System using a tarbal and then maybe upgrade which would work but this mean, I have t transfer a very huge Tarball or run a script which install from scratch with old setings, but if the default install NM the whole system will break because you will lost the network connection and can not more reconnect... You need a local administrator to solv this problem, which in my case and probably many others, lead to big problems. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy)
Hello Jon Dowland, Am 2011-04-11 12:02:09, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: And you wouldn't be - because, once again - you are not forced to use whatever the default solution is, you have the freedom to switch to another, just like people who currently *do* use network-manager have taken advantage of. WILL be there a choice to install ifupdownd instead of NM? And what about automated instalations? I think, DI has to support a Fast-Install-Option for Desktop and Server where the first one installs NM by default and the second one IFUPDOWND. We are really going around and around with the same set of misconceptions and misunderstandings. Please carefully read the thread again before re-iterating any more mistakes! This thread is talking about network-manager as default which is definitively no go. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy)
Hello Philip Hands, Am 2011-04-06 10:13:19, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: I think this is the vital difference -- those that prefer ifupdown do so because they prefer to be in tight control of what is happening on their systems, whereas those that prefer NM don't want to be bothered about networking, they just want things to work. This is exactly what I mean! I do not want to be bothered on a server with a tool which does not work and break all the times! Yes I have tried NM, but isnstalling this crap by default break my Sun and IBM Sevrers. I do not wan to to be bothered by Seting up NM and want o have a SIMPLE ifupdownd which does not bother me with forcimg me to drive 2x 500km to the datacenter (I am in Strasbourg and the datacenter is in Nürnberg) the get my server back running When someone wanders into an Internet cafe and plugs a wire into their Ethernet port, they just want a notification to tell them that they're online. I want the same to which is not possibel with NM. Installing NM by default will break systems which where running the last 12 years without flaws. If some dimwit sysadmin at my co-lo plugs something new into my server I want _absolutely_ _nothing_ to occur, not even a new process -- a syslog message would be fine. And what s if NM Cut-Off our Internet conenction? This is what happen to me. NM is NOT ROCKSOLID! ifupdown is proofen to work perfectly. We then seem to have a choice of installing something that works well for one group, and giving the others the chance to add the other (say, by including NM in the desktop task) ACK! , or installing the other and getting the people who want less to remove it -- given that we've already implemented the first, This will not work, becase installing NM by default will break server systems and you will have no access manymore the the server. and it seems to work fine, why would we want to force server installs of Debian (which may well be in the majority) to uselessly default to installing software that will either do a poor job for the life of the server, or incur the additional effort of removing it? Because it does not work and we definitively have not ANY event driven things on a server. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy)
Hello Hendrik Sattler, Am 2011-04-07 12:56:33, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: I am also not totally happy about network-manager but I still use it as it gives me a working wireless network on my laptop without having to spend hours reading endless documentation and writing multiple configuration files This is Exacly what I mean with NM. I do not wan to be bothered with reading some hours documentations on how to tweek NM to work with my four 10GE NICs. NM refused to setup 2 external interfaces and two internal ones. Fortunately I had the server @home in my office and not in adistance of 500km in the datacenter! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Back to technical discussion? Yes!
Hello Russ Allbery, Am 2011-04-04 12:30:24, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: That said, of course for a server build one can just remove Network Manager and install ifupdown and go on with life. Changing the default doesn't mean forcing it on everyone. But I think that's much of where the concern arises. But there is a problem with it! If you install a Workstation, you will sit in front of it and if there ges something going wrong, you can interact. Installing a server over the network and having NM as default, which can not handel several NICS at startup and configre it correctly, require an expensive Remote-Hand to get the system runing again... What I do not understand is WHY the Debian Project can not do an install in two steps. I mean installing the bare base using ifupdown and if the user choose the Desktop-Task replace it with NM. I think, someone which want to install a server HAS the knowledge about System- Administration and does not need NM in any case. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: network-manager as default? No! (was: Bits from the Release Team - Kicking off Wheezy)
Hello Stanislav Maslovski, Am 2011-04-04 01:11:15, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 11:26:20PM +0530, Josselin Mouette wrote: May I suggest that you install a squeeze system with the desktop task, with a simple DHCP network configuration? Why on earth would I do that? It does not match my needs at all. For instance, this laptop sometimes connects to a couple of remote LANs through VPNs, so that I have to set up routing in a not completely trivial manner. On another site where I sometimes work, there is an IPX network to which I have to connect to access the fileserver. Occasionaly, I have to run another OS in a virtual machine on this laptop for which I set up a bridge, etc. And HOW MANY users have such special case? I have in Strasburg and its Region 37 customers and do not need such killer config. Still using ifupdown and need only 5 configurations where NM screws up. You will see that your network is no longer managed by ifupdown. So we’re talking about something that has partly already happened, and AFAICT the world hasn’t fallen apart. Well, I can only feel pity for the users who fell into this trap. Do you know what is the first advise that is given to those users when they eventually run into a problem with their network? Right, deinstal network-manager! LOL Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: How to add quilt to an existing package?
Hello Goswin, Am 2011-04-03 13:36:00, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-modify.en.html#s-quiltrc http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-modify.en.html#s-fixupstream http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-sourcef http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-patches Those give a 404. Oops, for 2 days it was working... Looking up the maint-guide the hard way I see that the quilt part is also outdated. Maybe someone has encountered this problem and removed the maint-guide No mention of 3.0 (quilt) format and outdated use of QUILT_PATCHES. So here is a quickstart for switching to 3.0 (quilt): # Switch to 3.0 (quilt format) mkdir debian/source echo '3.0 (quilt)' debian/source/format # Initialize quilt setup (avoids having to specify QUILT_PATCHES) dpkg-buildpackage -S Now you can simply use quilt. It is that easy. If your source already has changes compared to upstream then you will get a line like: dpkg-source: info: local changes stored in hello-2.6/debian/patches/debian-changes-2.6-1, the modified files are: hello-2.6/src/hello.c You should rename the patch to something more suitable and if it contains multiple changes consider spliting it up. OK, done. Was easier then I was thinking Note: The maint-guide should add a note, on HOW-TO-ADD quilt to debian/rules. I have done all steps mentioned on http://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt and it was not working. I found the hint in another package which was using quilt include /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make build-stamp: patch ^ clean: unpatch ^^^ because without patch/unpatch it wont work. :-/ Enjoy, Goswin Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: How to add quilt to an existing package?
Hello Paul Wise, Am 2011-04-03 19:44:27, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Looking up the maint-guide the hard way I see that the quilt part is also outdated. No mention of 3.0 (quilt) format and outdated use of QUILT_PATCHES. You are probably looking at an old version, it definitely mentions 3.0. Please file a bug if it mentions wrong use of QUILT_PATCHES. The the page on http://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt should be updated too, right? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
[MIA] Simon Law?
Hello *, I get following message back: -- UNDELIVERABLE MAIL Your message to the following recipients cannot be delivered: sfl...@debian.org: master.debian.org [70.103.162.29]: RCPT TO:sfl...@debian.org 550 Unrouteable address -- Can I assume, tht he is not more involved with Debian and I can take over of one of his Packages? I have already solved 3 of 4 Bugs already and with the 4th I have to recode some stuff since upstream is death. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [MIA] Simon Law?
Good morning Paul, Am 2011-04-01 14:14:36, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: As you can see here, he no longer has a GPG fingerprint in LDAP and is therefore retired and no longer involved in Debian: http://db.debian.org/search.cgi?uid=sfllawdosearch=Search... Thanks for the info. I will resolv the 4th bug and do a RFS. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
How to add quilt to an existing package?
Hello *, I am working on a bunch of packages and write patches and I know how to use quilt but can someone tell me please, how I have to add quit to an existing Debian Package which does currently not use quilt but I need it to make things easier? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
open(URL) and how to distinguisch between iceweasel instances?
Hello *, there are several programs which open(URL) and span external webbrowsers like icewesel2. The problem I am encountering is, if you use several profiles and have them open like private, devel and electronic. Now, e.g. klicking on a link in pidgin, open the selected URL in a webbrowser instance randomly, mostly of course, in the wrong window. So, my question is now, is there a possibility to make this configuable? My idea was, to use a wraper which could be even configured with a preferences list of DOMAINS which should be redirected to the appropriated iceweael profile. The problem is, is you have firefox-bin,12700 -a iceweasel--devel -geometry +0+76 -height 654 -width 1348 -P devel firefox-bin,17262 -a iceweasel--electronica -geometry +0+76 -height 654 -width 1348 -P electronica firefox-bin,17700 -a iceweasel--private -geometry +0+76 -height 654 -width 1348 -P private it currently open any URL in private, mean, the last instance opened. So, do you have an idea, how I can open for example any links from *.debian.org in devel? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: open(URL) and how to distinguisch between iceweasel instances?
Hello Mike Hommey, Am 2011-03-24 16:18:14, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: If I remember correctly, there is an open bug about the remote interface not being able to cope with multiple profile. ... yeah, wasn't hard to find: bug 366129 Thanks have not found it... how many years ago? :-/ I will check it and show what can be done. Mike Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#617999: Please include link to general info in each lists page
Hello Alexander Wirt, Am 2011-03-18 07:10:41, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Michelle Konzack schrieb am Thursday, den 17. March 2011: Hello Andrei Popescu and Listmasters, it would be nice, if lists.debian.org could implement an autoresponder for peoles sending messages to lists without being subscribed. Eh no. Autoresponder are a plague. I mean this ONLY as a ONE-TIME autoresponder for peoples posting to a list the first time without being subscribed because most of the Posters give a F..K on the FAQ and CoC. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: oops I sent a courtesy copy in violation of the code of conduct
Hello Shachar Shemesh, Am 2011-03-13 19:54:01, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: If I set reply-to to myself, the mail won't go to the list. If I set it to the list, it won't go to me. Either way, the desired effect isn't achieved. Also, reply-to is the wrong tool for this job (this is NOT what it's for), as it prohibits distinction between replies to the list and reply to me. If I remember right another discussion in the past about Reply-To: and Mail-Followup-To: you can specify more then one E-Mail like Reply-To: shac...@shemesh.biz, debian-devel@lists.debian.org or Mail-Followup-To: shac...@shemesh.biz, debian-devel@lists.debian.org Note: I am not subscribed to any Debian Lists except whitelist and on mailinglists which support nomail, it is REALY annoying, if someone send me useless messages of several 100 kByte to my cell-phone. If I have the need for list-help/infos I read it from an archive, but my business E-Mail must be clean. And no, filtering of messages is no option, because I get to many false-positives du to my customers which are On-List too. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: oops I sent a courtesy copy in violation of the code of conduct
Hello Carsten Hey, Am 2011-03-12 10:50:03, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: If a message I reply to contains a Mail-Followup-To: set, I use it. If not, I guess if the person I reply to wants to receive a reply. To prevent me to Cc: you, you need to explicitly set Mail-Followup-To: to the list. Which is not supported by many MUAs expecialy on Smartphones, PDAs or MUAs Android which I use in my business. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#617999: Please include link to general info in each lists page
Hello Andrei Popescu and Listmasters, it would be nice, if lists.debian.org could implement an autoresponder for peoles sending messages to lists without being subscribed. This message should only send one time per year and contain usefull links based on the mailinglist, the FAQ and the CoC. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#617999: Please include link to general info in each lists page
Am 2011-03-17 19:15:45, schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer: Just as a bit of extra information, we have done this (although manually) in a couple of very used lists with nice success (people getting subscribed and sometimes becoming real active). Of course, not everyone will do it, but I think it has helped a lot. But I do not mean Auto-Subscribe. I do not like to become auto-subscribed with my Business-E-Mail which send all messages (only Debian would send 1000 messages to my smartphone per day) to my Smart-Phone. Kinds regards, Lisandro. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#617999: Please include link to general info in each lists page
Hello Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer, Am 2011-03-17 20:27:57, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: On Thursday 17 March 2011 20:02:31 Michelle Konzack wrote: But I do not mean Auto-Subscribe. Neither me, sorry for not being clear. I meant that people tend to subscribe on recibing such mails. OK ;-) Kinds regards, Lisandro. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Spell checker as reasonable SPAM prevention tool
Hello Samuel Thibault, Am 2011-02-11 10:42:49, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Andreas Tille, le Fri 11 Feb 2011 10:19:07 +0100, a écrit : PS: I assume that a spell checker can be configured that way that it can distinguish between writing an English text with some / several mistakes and a text with say 50% error rate which is probably not understandable anyway. Mmm, I think we've already had users that have even 50% error rate, simply because they mispell things. Yes, not everybody has even a basic knowledge level in english, but they still can provide useful input to a mailing list. In the arround 600 latvian spams I have gotten the last 3 weeks, there are enough keywords which identify the mais as spam and I do not know why, but spamassassin gaved the messages a score of -4 and greater. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [Need Help] About file lock in Debian Sarge
Hello, maybe apt-get install liblockfile1 Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strabourg/France IRC#Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ#328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Explicitely Cc bug reporters
Am 2009-09-10 16:09:02, schrieb Sandro Tosi: Ideally, I'd imaging nnn...@b.d.o to reach - submitter - maintainers - subscribers Is this not already the case? Exspecialy I am subscriber to the PTS and 1200 Packages I have installed on any of my systems and since some times I get all messages twice if someone post messges... This is realy annoying. And of course, the BTS/PTS should support more then one E-Mail per subscribe/reporter. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strabourg/France IRC#Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ#328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Explicitely Cc bug reporters
Hi Mark, Kumar and *, Am 2009-09-10 16:25:04, schrieb Mark Brown: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:04:19AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: To be more specific, we should have a pseudo-header like Subscribe: yes which would allow me to subscribe to the bug during submission. This way, we avoid all issues of forcing users to see the BTS mail exchanges, and allow the brave ones to participate without explicit subscription. It'd be nicer to be able to store this server side - having to set it up on each system would be a pain. Obviously more work for the BTS, though. Why, Kumar said, during submission which I understand that byside the pseudoheaders like Package:, Version: and Severity you use an additional PSEUDOHEADER Subscribe: yes/no and let the system know, that you want all infos about YOUR reported bug or not. This would be the best solution. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strabourg/France IRC#Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ#328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Explicitely Cc bug reporters
Am 2009-09-10 16:05:19, schrieb Colin Tuckley: That is exactly what I was going to suggest - with the addition that the message you get sent after submitting the bug included the fact that you had been subscribed and a link to click to unsubscribe easily. and if someone is subscribed to the PTS and a regulary bugreporter he has to do a daily MASS-Unsubscribe. This idea is not realy funny exspecialy I read my mails for linux4michelle on my cellphone. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strabourg/France IRC#Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ#328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Explicitely Cc bug reporters
Am 2009-09-10 11:46:44, schrieb Russ Allbery: I would ideally like to see this implemented by having reportbug ask whether they want to be subscribed, perhaps with a default of yes, rather than just subscribing them and making them opt-out. At the very las in reportbug: Dear Bug-Reporter, because you are submiting a new bug to the Debian Bug-Tracking-System we will subscribe you by default to THIS bugreport. Yes Yes I like to stay informed about THIS bug. (default) no No thanks. pts I like to be subscribe to any bugs concerning THE PACKAGE for which I send THIS big I have implemented this on my own Bug-Tracking-System and it just works. The Pseudo-Header is Subscribe: [yes|no|pts] Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strabourg/France IRC#Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ#328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Explicitely Cc bug reporters
Am 2009-09-10 21:35:02, schrieb Frans Pop: IMO opting out should mainly be for the case where the submitter is also receiving follow-ups because he's a member of the packaging team and thus already subscribed to the maintainer mailing list or PTS for the package. I.e. to avoid getting duplicate mails from the BTS. But in this case, the BTS/PTS should handel at least two E-Mails or aliases, because I am subscribed with a PTS-Only E-Mail like debbts4m and get already ALL messages from a package... I have not the need to get ANY additonal messages from the BTS except if the maintainer has the need to contact me directly. And as I have written, I was several times bombed on my cellphone with messages up to 20 MByte Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strabourg/France IRC#Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ#328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Explicitely Cc bug reporters
Am 2009-09-10 17:23:32, schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli: We currently even have procmail recipe to automatically subscribe upon BTS ack receipt, that should be the default and the recipes reverted to unsubscribe by default who doesn't want subscription. Then I have to write a second procmail recipe which unsubscribe me IMMEDIATELY if I am hit by such messages... It is realy ANNOYING to get tonns of BTS messages on my cellphone, because my linux4michelle adress is my official business email! And of course, I DO NOT FIND IT FUNNY, if somone post a coredump, log or whatelse and it has 10 MByte and more... And under Symbian, you can not stop maildownloads you are ucked for at least an half hour. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strabourg/France IRC#Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ#328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Explicitely Cc bug reporters
Am 2009-09-12 10:07:32, schrieb Philipp Kern: On 2009-09-12, Michelle Konzack linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net wrote: And as I have written, I was several times bombed on my cellphone with messages up to 20 MByte And I was bombed with six from you, where I assume that one would've been sufficient, summarising your points. You mean I have send you attachments as PM's? Maybe you where explicit in the list of recipients if I hit simply r in mutt? Normaly I do not send MONSTER attachments to somone without being asked! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strabourg/France IRC#Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ#328449886 Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#531221: okular: Arbitrarily enforces DRM
Am 2009-06-01 10:17:23, schrieb Josselin Mouette: The French DRM legislation is so stupidly thought-off, badly worded and unsuitable for real life, that it’s not likely to be ever applied to any real case. But currently they are trying exactly the contrary... If the french advocats would have more courage and are willing to work like american ones... :-D ...they would kick france out of the univers. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?
Sorry, for the late reply but found the message in the Spamfolder... Am 2009-04-29 10:35:08, schrieb Giacomo A. Catenazzi: But you fail also on pragmatic level: a lot of discussions are stopped because of lack of CC: Take debian-legal. How a non-subscriber can follow discussion? How he can reply to a message (with correct headers? A copy-paste is far worse) I think you can answer right, now remove your debian hat and retry! The solution would be if the list generate a Message-ID/Sender Database and then add automaticaly the previously user user to a reply if he/she is not subscribed to the list or in the whitel...@l.d.o. Note: I am not subsctibed ith THIS E-Mail because I receive THIS E-Mail on my cell-phone and I REALY dislike to be CC'ed because it cost me very much money. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#531221: okular: Arbitrarily enforces DRM
Am 2009-05-31 09:05:10, schrieb John Goerzen: Could you share your reasoning with us, specifically why you don't like each of the four options I mentioned? (Reproduced below) 1) Remove the DRM feature entirely And IF proples want o knoiw, whether a PDF was DRM'ed? 2) Patch the default to have it disabled This let peoples in the assumption, the PDF can legaly copied even if it is not 3) Patch the prompt to have an allow/deny option Perfect option 4) Patch the text to tell people where to go to turn it off WHO READ IT? :-P Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#531221: okular: Arbitrarily enforces DRM
Am 2009-05-31 15:19:01, schrieb John Goerzen: This has nothing to do with that. This is a bit flag, and has nothing to do with the legality of copying some or all of the PDF. It is *always* legal, in the United States at least, to excerpt small parts of a document. This holds whether or not the author set this flag. It holds whether you copied and pasted, retyped, or photocopied. Also, I think it is silly to assert that it would ever be illegal to run cp on a PDF on one's own disk. If it's legal to cp it, then it is legal to convert it to text format. In the USA... Not in Germany and France. Ignoring DRM let you run into touble here. :-/ I am ongoing to install a IPTV/VOD server and have to deal with this DRM stuff and it seems I need a million lawers to read/understand all this crap. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#531221: okular: Arbitrarily enforces DRM
Am 2009-05-31 22:43:18, schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli: No, sorry, that's FUD. For instance, you can always copy small part of materials that aren't even copyrightable, for instance a sequence of two letters. Please stop using this kind of arguments, as they are worth nothing. No one is copying aa sequence of two letters. If this E-Mail is for example under DRM. I could be sued if I copy your above paragraphe. I hope you understand this. It already happen here and I live in this sick country since 26 years. Because the french authorities try to kick-off my Enterprise I WAS ALREADY SUED FOR THIS in Strasbourg. And YES, I am NOT-PRO Sarkozy-Regime, because he has kicked me of of a contract with the MoD! (I was in the french army for 24 years) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 25.9V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#531221: okular: Arbitrarily enforces DRM
Am 2009-06-01 00:39:07, schrieb Olof Johnasson: This is not correct. In Europe similar laws exist. In Sweden you have the right to quote any published work, and after a quick search i found the same goes for at least France. http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?idArticle=LEGIARTI06278917 (in french) This is right, but what if they say, you where ongoing to pubish parts? (violation of article 2) Which was in my case, even if I had it in my private research database. IANAL, but this seems pretty clear. In theory, but they where some newer stuff from 2007 and 2008 and I am waiting of the Cour de Cassation (Colmar) because this shit is blocking my enterprise entirely... (This is WHY I transfer my enterprise back to Germany) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: libcairo has two different versions in Lenny?
Am 2009-03-21 02:19:38, schrieb Carsten Hey: This was an upload to testing-security which hit stable-security during the release. Such things are the reason why pinning stable-security with a higher priority than stable is not a good idea. Which mean, the libcairo2 in security/lenny has to be removed by ftpmaster. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
libcairo has two different versions in Lenny?
Fellow Developers, last Friday I have downloaded the fist Debian install DVD fro Lenny and for some mintes trie to install a new Workstation and gotten this: [ STDIN ]--- [r...@michelle1:~ ] apt-get install fvwm Reading package lists... Building dependency tree... Reading state information... Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: fvwm: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.12.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: librsvg2-2 (= 2.18.1) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages [r...@michelle1:~ ] apt-cache policy fvwm libgtk2.0-0 librsvg2-2 fvwm: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:2.5.26-1 Version table: 1:2.5.26-1 0 900 ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages libgtk2.0-0: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.12.11-4 Version table: 2.12.11-4 0 920 cdrom://Lenny_DVD_1 lenny/main Packages 900 ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages librsvg2-2: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.22.2-2lenny1 Version table: 2.22.2-2lenny1 0 920 cdrom://Lenny_DVD_1 lenny/main Packages 900 ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages [r...@michelle1:~ ] apt-get install fvwm libgtk2.0-0 librsvg2-2 libcairo2 libpango1.0-0 Reading package lists... Building dependency tree... Reading state information... Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgtk2.0-0: Depends: libcairo2 (= 1.6.4-6.1) but 1.4.10-1+lenny2 is to be installed libpango1.0-0: Depends: libcairo2 (= 1.6.4-6.1) but 1.4.10-1+lenny2 is to be installed E: Broken packages [r...@michelle1:~ ] apt-cache policy fvwm libgtk2.0-0 librsvg2-2 libcairo2 libpango1.0-0 fvwm: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:2.5.26-1 Version table: 1:2.5.26-1 0 900 ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages libgtk2.0-0: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.12.11-4 Version table: 2.12.11-4 0 920 cdrom://Lenny_DVD_1 lenny/main Packages 900 ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages librsvg2-2: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.22.2-2lenny1 Version table: 2.22.2-2lenny1 0 920 cdrom://Lenny_DVD_1 lenny/main Packages 900 ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages libcairo2: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1.4.10-1+lenny2 Version table: 1.6.4-7 0 920 cdrom://Lenny_DVD_1 lenny/main Packages 900 ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages 1.4.10-1+lenny2 0 980 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages libpango1.0-0: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1.20.5-3 Version table: 1.20.5-3 0 920 cdrom://Lenny_DVD_1 lenny/main Packages 900 ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages Can someone explain, WHY the SECURITY mirror has an outdated version of libcairo2 and blocking the installation (I have manualy installed the libcairo2, but it is annoying and should be corrected as fast as possibel) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ Michelle Konzack http://www.can4linux.org/ Apt. 917 http://www.flexray4linux.org/ 50, rue de Soultz Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) Tel. DE: +49 177 9351947 ICQ #328449886Tel. FR: +33 6 61925193 signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?
Am 2009-03-02 10:34:38, schrieb Bernd Schubert: Maybe you should start to test Debian-Testing from time to time and report bugs if something doesn't work for you? Just complaining *after* a release isn't really helpful. How many Enterprises do you know, running testing on there production machines? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?
Am 2009-02-26 12:46:25, schrieb Brett Parker: As someone that uses wodim quite a bit, I've not noticed it to be full of bugs, so I'd suggest that you're spreading FUD and hoping that no one notices. I have 35 TEAC CD-Burner, 18 TraxData and a bunch of Yamaha. All they are SCSI and not a singel one is working with wodim. The same goes for my 4 DVD burners which are SCSI too. Since I have the CD-Burner in production, I have not the time to check wodim years for bugs. I have installed cdrecord and it just work like Nero4linux with the difference, that Nero can handel only one Burner @once but cdrecors all 28 TEAC burner on the installed 4 Cards @once... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#508644: mass bugfiling (against 8 packages) and/or new package default-mta
Am 2009-02-27 19:34:04, schrieb Bill Allombert:
Well there were some problems with popularity-contest, see bug #326593
IIRC for sending to both f...@example.com and b...@example.com:
ssmtp allows
sendmail -oi f...@example.com,b...@example.com
but not courrier-mta which want
sendmail -oi f...@example.com b...@example.com
This was one of the things which screwed me...
But, why not using sendmails -t option which work for ssmtp, courier,
exim and postfix?
You have to write the WHOLE mail including all headers and pipe it into
${MTA} -t
Another issue for popularity-contest is that MTA that do not retry on
error do not provide much avantage over HTTP submission.
Are you sure it does not retry?
I think, it depends WHICH MTA you are using.
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Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?
Am 2009-03-01 23:35:17, schrieb Josselin Mouette: Unfortunately, as such, we are not going to distribute either Nero (which is non-free) nor cdrecord (which is undistributable). If you are interested into improving CD burning support in Debian, you’re welcome to either help fixing these bugs in wodim or help resolving the licensing situation of cdrecord. Josselin, HOW can someone try to support something, if SCSI support is droped? The SCSI support require VERY MUCH working on it and I have NO CLUE about SCSI programming. Even my old CDR-55S where working up to Woody perfectly and then from one day to anoter, SCSI support was droped. Wodim claim to burn a CD/DVD and then after it is finished, the CD is empty. Not even touched and broken. It spinned for 15-20 minutes and thats all. Since it s not possibel to install wodim and cdrecord in parallel, there is no way for testing. And I am burning arround 500 CD's and 120 DVD's per day (for a customer). Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?
Hello Steve, Am 2009-03-02 00:23:47, schrieb Steve McIntyre: Michelle, You may have no clue about SCSI programming, but I'd hope you have some about how to report bugs. I don't see any wodim bugs from you describing your problem, which makes it a little difficult for us to do anything for you. I had installed wodim and before I send a bugreport, I try to figure out whats going on. And all I know was, that wodim told me after 20 minutes the CD was ready... No error message or something like this. So, if I write a bugreport: 8- Package: wodim Version: x.y.z Severity: normal wodim does not work and I can not tell you why, because there are no errors. 8- You would anser: 8- To: -d...@... Subject: User is a Ale ...does not know how to write bugreports 8- It took me two month to figure out what happen: wodim is ignoring SCSI error messages, something Jöerg has written something like this (I think over two years ago). Sorry, but I have no time to figure out, why a burner station with 28 attached SCSI does not work... wodim was a little bit to frustrating... And now with Lenny, my whole system produce per day two hand full coredums (the Openoffice cd's are always between 600 and 900 MByte, iceweasel, pidgin, gimp, sometimes mutt, courier,...) Some of the coredumps are here: http://devel.debian.tamay-dogan.net/coredumps/ And since I am on GSM/GPRS/UMTS (Upstream arround 10kByte/sec) ist is not realy funny to upload a compressed coredump of 43 MByte on my Server Note: I have installed two production systems where the first is Lenny and the second Etch where Etch is working but Lenny show problems in mass. Under Etch I have sound, but the same configuration under Lenny does not enable the Loudspeaker. There is NOT a singel error message. Car is SB Live 5.1! and an onboard VIA. It is frustrating because when I started for exactly 10 years in march 1999 with 2.1/Slink and it worked perfectly... nearly from scratch! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?
Am 2009-03-02 00:47:18, schrieb Miguel Gea Milvaques: I am writing Free Software since 1982, this is much longer than Debian exists. I support Freedom and if Debian is against Freedom, I cannot support Debian. Fsck! -- thats definitiveliy b...s..t! Jajajajajajajajajaja Now we have a new Micro$oft-Debian xDD I wish I had at least a STM-1 at home, I would you send you all 300 coredumps since the release weekend of Lenny... I have over 16 GByte of coredumps: OpenOffice, Iceweasel, mutt, pidgin, FvwmForm, mimedecode, gimp, mc, ... Some are here: http://devel.debian.tamay-dogan.net/coredumps/ and I can not more upload since I am on GSM and ma sped and traffic is limited Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?
Am 2009-03-01 23:01:09, schrieb William Pitcock: Or look into libburn + cdrskin, which should just work. Does not support the DVD's I need: Description: command line CD/DVD writing tool This is a cdrecord replacement that: - Burns to all single layer DVD types There is NO support for DVD18 and DVD20 which my TraxData and Yamaha support. And NO, DVD20 can not be burned on PATA/SATA Burners. This is a question of hardware and not software and thist is, WHY the TraxData and Yamahy cost over 700 Euro. - TAO mode (CD Track at Once, DVD Packet) - SAO mode (CD Session at Once, DVD DAO) I need Disk-At-Once for the Teac CDR-55S but does cdrskin support it? And does it support burning of more then one CD/DVD at once? I mean, a full CD/DVD set, e.g. Debian Lenny+2 with 7 Binary DVD's? I have not even found something that claim libburn4 does support SCSI U320 Burner :-( Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?
Am 2009-03-02 06:23:26, schrieb Goswin von Brederlow:
Since everything seems to be dumping core on your system have you
thought about the possibility that it might be your system that is at
fault? Such a widespread range of coredumps usualy means one of the
core libraries is corrupted on your filesystem or you have faulty
ram. Or maybe a root-kit that breaks things?
Since the release of Lenny, I have installed arround 60 Workstaions, but
making tararchives of the original installation and reinstalled Lenny
from scratch, using the first binary DVD and the rest over Net.
Nearly 80% of all Workstations do not work properly.
The half of them is without sound (all Creative LABS)
00:13.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a)
00:13.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port (rev 0a)
which is needed for telephony. Then I have a couple of Dual-Screen
Workstations with the above card...
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400/G450 (rev 82)
xserver-xor-video-mga does not work... Now I use the framebuffer which
is working nicely but I do not know the performance differnce between
mga and 2fbdev.
While Fvwm was working fine under Sarge and Etch, no it stoped working
correctly. The first time afte 7 years.
Maybe there is a new config option, but curently I have flying windows
arround, I mean, news windows are placed in non-expected places. I want
my message boxes ans such back in the center if I do not use explicit
geometry. But it is going more strange, because my own GTK2+ application
are placed correctly like the OpenOffice ones...
I have set EWMH to reserve space for my FvwmButton (Panel) and the
FvwmTaskbar but they are now ignored...
While reading the huge manpages, nothing has changed...
Given that you only have the core-dumps since Lenny I would suspect
something got scrambled during the upgrade. Some bit flipped somewhere.
I was thinking this too, and have tared the broken installation like the
Etch and Sarge ones and reinstalled the WHOLE thing from scratch.
The error persists.
This is WHY I run under ulimit -c unlimited to get this pigs with the
disavantage, that I get the absoulut MEGA coredumps over my NFVv4 since
${HOME} is in my Intranet Server.
If I get a usefull coredump, I will try to put it on my USB key and
upload it in the Internet Caffee onto my server.
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Re: Is The number of stable users dropping fast?
Am 2008-12-21 10:32:53, schrieb Sven Joachim: At least as far as popcon is concerned, the number of users does not seem to go down. Are you sure? -- In the last 3 month I have added 158 servers which are under my control... If I have time, I will add the 680 Workstations from the CyberCenters in Germany, France, Spain, Morocco, Turkey, Lebanon and Iran... And it seems, there is something rejecting my popcon messages from my 28 servers hosted in the Turkey and Iran. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Is The number of stable users dropping fast?
Am 2008-12-22 14:37:58, schrieb Paul Wise: I note that Ubuntu has more than an order of magnitude more popcon submitters: Because it is installed and activated by default... (At least on the Machine I have installed for a friend) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Is The number of stable users dropping fast?
Hi Neil, Am 2008-12-23 17:06:33, schrieb Neil Williams: On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:33:38 +0100 Michelle Konzack linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net wrote: And it seems, there is something rejecting my popcon messages from my 28 servers hosted in the Turkey and Iran. You mean other than the broken cable under the Mediterranean? ;-) You are not the first one asking this... And no, I can not send messages to popcon since more then 4 month. Also I have some strange error messages in my courier logs for popcon%64pgsql.private.tamay-dogan.net popcon%64router.private.tamay-dogan.net popcon%64samba3.private.tamay-dogan.net popcon%64tp570.private.tamay-dogan,net which is a part of my @home network. I have already written a mail to balombe but currently goten no response. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Is The number of stable users dropping fast?
Am 2008-12-23 20:54:41, schrieb Bernd Eckenfels: In article 20081223184408.ge28...@tamay-dogan.net you wrote: ;-) You are not the first one asking this... And no, I can not send messages to popcon since more then 4 month. Try running: bash -x /etc/cron.weekly/popularity-contest And also check /var/log/popularity-contest if addresses and content looks sane. If that works, check your mail logs. Since I am sending the messages to my self too the copy is: [ STDIN ]--- Received: from tp570.private.tamay-dogan.net (tp570.private.tamay-dogan.net [:::192.168.0.112]) by mail.private.tamay-dogan.net with esmtp; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:18:20 +0100 id 0002C143.494D7D3C.7DAC Received: by tp570.private.tamay-dogan.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:15:07 +0100 Received: by tp570.private.tamay-dogan.net (TDSSMTP outspool); Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:10:12 +0100 From: pop...@tp570.private.x-x.net Sender: pop...@tp570.private.x-x.net To: sur...@popcon.debian.org, pop...@tp570.private.x-x.net Subject: popularity-contest submission Message-ID: bgmco.a.dzc.ztx...@tp570 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:10:12 +0100 Envelope-to: sur...@popcon.debian.org X-TDMailSerialnumber: 8698824 X-TDMailCount: true POPULARITY-CONTEST-0 TIME:1229814642 ID:a95d4d0a8742437d9494302f05ff19e9 ARCH:i386 POPCONVER:1.28 1229814623 1196097821 ssmtp /usr/sbin/mailq 1229814623 1196096996 procmail /usr/bin/formail 1229814619 1196096059 grep /bin/grep 1229814616 1196096938 coreutils /usr/bin/cut 1229814614 1196096943 dpkg /usr/bin/dpkg-query snip which is probably correct and since I am sending THIS message over the same relay mail.private.tamay-dogan.net I know, my Mailserver is working. Is there someone who can check, whether the messages from my domain are arriving correctly... It seems, courier-mta is trying to deliver the messages several hours without success and then it is working, but I do not know... I am permanent On-Line using my O2-GSM (Germany). Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Popular packages in Ubuntu that is missing in Debian/main
Am 2008-11-30 20:59:31, schrieb Gunnar Wolf: Does anybody know why on Earth is Acroread popular? Why isn't a PDF regularly handled in a saner way with Evince (or kde-based lookalike) in some distributions? ..because I do not use GNOME and KDE and it does not suck several 100 MByte of useless GNOME and KDE libs! xpdf which I use regulary has unfortunately not the functionality I need for printing of my technical documents. And using console tools to print out several 10-100 PDFs per day is no way... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: what about a unofficial public community repo? (was: Re: qmail and related packages in NEW)
Am 2008-11-28 15:42:34, schrieb William Pitcock: I think issues like these call for an unsupported repository outside of Debian, but publicized within the community as an unofficial repository for things like qmail, packages unwanted in Debian proper for the time being, etc. http://www.apt-get.org/ Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: DFSG violations in Lenny: Summarizing the choices
Am 2008-11-08 15:29:44, schrieb Thomas Bushnell BSG: It seems to me that, if this is really true, then the hardware manufacturers have been lying to the FCC for years, claiming that the user cannot reprogram the card, without explaining that, in fact, it's just that users may not know how to, but that they can do so without any hardware mucking. Not realy since in Europe a WiFi Card has for exanlep only 100mW (which allow an operativ-radius of arround 300m) while in Australia and the USA it can have 400mW and you can reach your AT on over 3 miles... My 68 AP's Proxim Tsunami MP.11a run with 800mW in Strasbourg/France and Kehl/Germany, BUT, you need a commercial License for it. And of course, you CAN harm others if not correct implemented and tested. Exactly the same WiFi Chip is used on Consumer WiFi cards... Now load the firmware from the Proxim Tsunami MP.11a into your PCMCIA or ExpressCard... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: DFSG violations in Lenny: Summarizing the choices
Am 2008-11-10 09:54:24, schrieb Johannes Wiedersich: I think the best way out of this dilemma is to add a 'non-free firmware' section and make this section part of official debian. A provision is But this should be a volatile archive, which allow the upload of new firmware releases and not let the users stuck with old outdated firmware Note: On any of my computers I have contrib and non-free NOT configured. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: DFSG violations in Lenny: Summarizing the choices
Am 2008-11-10 12:56:26, schrieb Karl Goetz: Why are they making hardware that can transmit on *any* frequency? Why are they not making hardware that transmits in the 2.4GHz ISM band perhaps with firmware to 'fine tune' it? Seems strange to pour lots of money into making an all-band radio then locking it to a 500MHz band. Because the differnt LAWs in the world? The WiFi chip must support 2.1-2.8 GHz where the UPPER/LOWER frequencies are disallowed in 90% of the world... Making 3 differnt WiFi chips would let the cost explode... And of course, some of the Consumer Chips exist in Industrial/Military grade... There is NO need to develop TWO different chips, it is only about quality testing likefor Solar-Cells. The A-Ware goes into the space tecnology, the B-Ware is for industrial use and the C-Ware for standard Solar-Power Plants and Consumers... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Leverage in licensing discussions
Am 2008-11-08 07:35:02, schrieb Robert Collins: On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 20:01 +, David Given wrote: 2. For at least some of these devices, even if the source code was available it would add no value, because of legal restrictions governing which firmware blobs can be used on that hardware. I don't agree with this point: there may be no added value for *most users* - but if I had the firmware source I could e.g. fix a bug to get a region the manufacturer had not bothered to certify in to certify the device. Or open up the power/frequency to ranges I hold a licence to operate in. You can not certify the software, because it is bound to the hardware. Only the combination can be certified. However, if you find a bug and fix it, you can send it back to the manufacturer of the hardware/software, they can test and re-certify the software which will be much more cheaper then the original certification Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Am 2008-11-08 00:20:52, schrieb Ben Finney: Are you saying that EU law makes the vendor liable *only* in the case where the copyright license to the firmware permits the recipient to modify and redistribute, but *does not* make the vendor liable if the license doesn't allow this? It seems it is the case becase the procedure is: 1) building the hardware 2) coding the software 3) testing the ensemble in a protected environement 4) certify the hardware to meat certain criterias (emision, antenna power) 5) certify the software FIRMWARE BLOB together with the hardware. Now the original soucre is worthless and can be distributed WITH the firmware blob. The license for the source and the blob must say clearly that ONLY the blob is certified und permited to use on the device. If now there is a hacker called Ben and find an error and fix it, he can not legaly use use the fixed software because it must be recertified together WITH the hardware. (point 3 and 5) So the only option for Ben ist, to send the corrected source back to the manufacturer and ask him to test and relicense it... The problem is, that certifying cost up to 40.000 Euro and re-certifying arround 10-15.000 Euro. So after ONE bugfix, no manufacturer would recertify the software. IF the hardware is not sold at least 50-100.000 times where arround 30-80¢ are calculated for software updates over the first 2 years after first hardware sell. 2 years is the normal European Waranty for NEW bought hardware. This is WHY most cell-phones get not a singel software update (no mather which manufacturer as Nokia, Ericsson, Sony, Siemans/BenQ, LG, ...) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: DFSG violations: non-free but no contrib
Am 2008-11-06 01:45:47, schrieb Faidon Liambotis: That's also false. You can easily jam cellphones using equipment bought from your local radio shop. There are even (perfectly legal) commercial products that do exactly that. Maybe in the USNA, but not in Europe... (at least Germany and France) Jaming the GSM Network cost you up to 500.000 Euro and 5 years prison. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Leverage in licensing discussions (was: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations)
Hello David, Am 2008-11-07 08:35:16, schrieb David Bremner: At Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:27:13 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: And as I have already written, I do not know HOW OpenMoko will solv this problem, but FreeRunner/OpenMoko or PurpleMagic are not allowd to run in Europe with Open Source GSM-Firmware. And of course, PurpleMagic has never respond to my three E-Mails and one Letter. (they are in France) I spent 5 minutes reading the OpenMoko wiki and mailing lists, and it seems to me that they do not have open source firmware for the GSM modem. The reasons given (essentially the fragility of the GSM network) more or less agree with what you write. If this is what you meant to write, it was not successfully communicated to me. Sorry, I am not nativ english spaker... And yes is is what I have meant... And there are several 100 cases where in general the projects are 100% open, but for some security reasons there are major parts NOT OPEN and since such software/firmware is the KEY of the device, it is useless without the blob. Maybe Debian should allow (very exceptionel) such sensible software to ship in main together with the Main-Software... My Hardware is no exception... The Debian non-free firmware case affect several 100 products worldwide and since every month they are mor hardware running GNU/Linux on it... GSM is becoming cheaper and for example here in France if you wan to get an appartment it is limited to one year in many cases and you mas renew it each jear... Here installing ADSL cos every time you change the location 50 Euro Extra... You have to wait 2-6 weeks to get ADSL and much more problems... The only solution is GSM/UMTS. Now, if non-free is not on the CD/DVD or the firmware is not shiped with main you are unable to install Debian on a TablePC or such because you can not access the internet... This situation is realy shit! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Leverage in licensing discussions
Hello Ben and *, Am 2008-11-07 22:09:35, schrieb Ben Hutchings: That's not true. DFSG only requires that the copyright holder grants certain permissions, regardless of whether the law of some jurisdiction overrides those permissions. Software could be included in main even if it is illegal to modify it in certain ways, so long as that restriction is not imposed by the copyright holder. Of course, if it is illegal even to distribute the unmodified software (particularly if that is the case in the US where the ftpmaster host is) then it would have to be excluded. OK, if I distribute the firmware as open source, I have to distribute the firmware with it since the from ME build firmware IS certified to meet exact the specifications. I have the checksums and whatelse from the firmware blob, which I need to prove, the from me distibuted firmware is OK. In case of problems, the original firmware blob must be availlable So the question is: Does Debian distribut it together? (the certified firmware blob and the non-certified source) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Am 2008-11-03 12:59:53, schrieb Gunnar Wolf: Michelle Konzack dijo [Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:10:48AM +0100]: Curently I am building a hardware where the parts cost arround 40US$ per device (@10.000) and using the same microcontroller with a big FLASH memory would mke this Hardware arround 5 US$ in final production more expensive. So for the end-users arreound 10 US$ or 8 Euro Are you willing to pay arround 15-18% more for such hardware? So probably the end result won't be shipping raw Debian in your product - As you are not willing to release the firmware, Debian ??? -- I am willing to do this! It is EUROPEAN LAW which make HARDWARE manufacturer responsable if someone MODIFY Firmware and disturb public e.g. GSM networks... Such sensibel stuff must be protected... And, I can not install EmDebian on my Nokia 6120 classic if I do not upload a firmware befor installing a new system like EmDebian onto it... cannot inlcude it. Yes, even if it is worthless without a $8000 compiler. Who knows? If the device is interesting enough and becomes highly successful, somebody (i.e. the Debian project?) can decide to pay $8000 for the compiler license and be able to fix bugs or enhance your firmware? The software is accessibel for anyone who is willing the price... If sharing the source for the firmware is not an option to you, and raising the price so the device can be self-sufficient without the computer uploading a firmware to it, then... Well, your device won't be natively supported by Debian. And that's not necesarily a curse! Of course I'd like every device on Earth to be Debian-based, but sometimes reality does not agree with my wishes. The other problem is, IF the software is in Debian, there is normaly a maintainer which adapt the loader and such to stay usable over different releases... If a hardware manufacturer must do this, maybe the Device is working on Etch and not more on Lenny or Sid, because he has not the resources to track all changes in a distribution or maybe several... In my opinion, there must be done somethin for sensible Software which can harm for example public GSM networks or such. This is not an issue about Open Source but security... You can even kill a person which has a pace-maker... Described in a letter to me from the TÜV Rheinland (Germany). Oh, here we have a problem. You are 100% free and want to use GPL3 - So you are required to distribute the sources, the preferred form of modification. If not even the input you give to the mighty $8000 compiler qualifies as source, then maybe the schematics you have on the whiteboard do? The problem is, that most people consider only human readable files as source but not the project files of some propietary Firmware-Builder. You just cannot say there is no source. That would imply the firmware is a result of your computer's creativity - and I'd seriously doubt it. More or less, because you can not do realy much on the firmware... The hardware is fixed. You have to configure filters, Frequencies, Power and such... You can disable functionalities and can choose, whether your GSM device should automaticaly search for a better frequency and correspondence provider (e.g. if you are not in your home country) or fix it for the frequencies in Europe... The major problem are the frequencies and the output power of the device which can harm if someone modify it... As I have already sayed, this has nothing to do with Open Source but with LAW and security... And I asume, there are equivalen laws in the USNA (nice resource on the FCC website) or any other countries in the world. AFAIK there is something on the Website from the IUT. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Leverage in licensing discussions (was: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations)
Am 2008-11-04 14:02:14, schrieb Josselin Mouette: In other words, I think the carrot has better leverage on them than the stick. Of course it all depends on who we???re talking, as the stick will work just fine on an obscure Chinese manufacturer but not on a world-leading company that sells high-grade hardware at 10 times the price. Thats not all... I have goten a Chinese Manufacturer who has already build a GSM Module supporting Voice, SMS, MMS, VideoTelephone, GPRS, EDGE UMTS and HSDPA. The problem is, that even if it is mass production since some time, I can not distribute the firmware as open source since it change the behavour of the hardware which then can distrurb the GSM network. Attaching a FLASH memory of several MByte to it, would the module make 6 times more expensive... and no one would buy it anymore... And as I have already written, I do not know HOW OpenMoko will solv this problem, but FreeRunner/OpenMoko or PurpleMagic are not allowd to run in Europe with Open Source GSM-Firmware. And of course, PurpleMagic has never respond to my three E-Mails and one Letter. (they are in France) This was the last word of the TÜV Rheinland... The manufacturer MUST asure, that the, e.g., GSM/UMTS network will no be disturbed... IF, Debian distribute the OpenMoko Software within Debian, it could harm the Debian Projecc for legal reason... And they is some other hardware on which one can not install Debian, IF the installer has no access to the firmware to activate a device... And YES, my SmartPhone Nokia 6120 classic (ARM926-EJ, 312 MHz, 128 MB Flash, 64 MByte mobile SDRAM, 8 GByte micoSDHC) is now running EmDebian but it does not help, if the Firmware written by me, can not be distributed as Open Source, hence not in /main/ and the installer can not install anything since you must first upload the firmware to activate something... If the Debian CD/DVD/BlueRay do not include the /non-free/ directory or ship the stuff in /main/ or /contrib/ then there are many devices which can not be used with Debian, even it should work with it... Note: There are MANY Open-Source Extremists, which give a fsck on it and saying: I would not buy such hardware but this has NOTHING to do with the manufacturer but network security and law. Unfortunately I know several of them (a group) which code there own GSM firmware but the problem is, if they come in my near and switch from GPRS to UMTS I lost my GSM connection... Also there is a Website of a women, which has created a small hardware which can kick-off GSM devices... She has designed it, because she was very angry about peoples, using ther cell-phones to laud in public... Using her device can lead to juridical actions against the user... Disturbing of Public-Networks. So ANY hardware which MUST use tested certified hardware and software can not be used with Debian... Note 2: Since my Outdoor HandBag TablePC use as Main CPU an i.MX31 and as GSM Processor a PNX6712 the firmware will be not updatable from users... I give a fsck on users who say: Then I will not buy your hardware! because such users are assholes since the can not even Upgrade the Firmware of there Cell-Phone which is to 99% based on ARM926-EJ and could run EmDebian witout any problems. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Am 2008-10-30 09:35:32, schrieb Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo: A good solution would be to improve the free/libre software available in Debian, since you seem to claim that SDCC is an option as a development tool to this said micro-controller. Is it a 8051? Yes, several of my projects use the Dallas DS80C4xx and NXP ones, since they cost only 8-10 US$/pcs @1000. But mainly I am switching to 7TDMI but they are ways more expensive with 15-30 US$/pcs @1000. The advantage is, even a small 32 MByte NAND Flash with 16-32 MByte SDRAM can hold a whole EmDebian installation... My GSM router (based on Atmel AT91SAM9G20) with four POTs, one S0 (ISDN) and 4-port Fast-Ethernet switch will have probably enough NAND Flash and SDRAM to run a full blown EmDebian installation with asterisk on it. Peoples already have aske me and requested more then 256 MByte of NAND. (a Micron 512 MByte NAND Flash cost 13.05 US$ for a singel piece) So, if I know, users like to pay more for hardware, IF they can do more with it as only using I am willing to build the Hardware to this needs But for me is the question: Are customers willing to pay sometimes 10-30% more for the hardware? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#484656: Fw: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu
Hello *, while reading the forwarded messages in the BTS, I am supporting Bill to continue maintaining menu since the desktop is hit by to many limitations. I have an Add-On to menu called tdfvwm-menu which is currently not updated since I have some problems here in France... http://devel.debian.tamay-dogan.net/tdfvwm-menu/ However, I will continue updating my package AFTER release of Lenny... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant Am 2008-08-15 21:07:08, schrieb Daniel Dickinson: Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:44:29 +0200 From: Bill Allombert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 01:08:40PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Josselin Mouette wrote: Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the current situation is the best: * the default menu contains only what is needed, and we are still hunting down entries that are useless to make them not show up by default; * users wanting the Debian menu and its gazillions of entries including window managers, terminal emulators and shell interpreters can enable it easily in the menu editor; * those really wanting only the Debian menu can replace gnome-applications.menu by debian-menu.menu. If you want this to change, you need to seriously think about evolutions to both XDG and Debian menu systems, to convince fd.o and the Debian menu maintainer to implement them Actually, no, if you want this to change, you have only to do nothing. People (many of them MOTUs from Ubuntu in my experience) are filing lots of requestes for random packages to have .desktop files added to them, so they appear in the gnome menu. The criteria seems to be a program that $RANDOM_USER would like to have on the menu and files a bug about || that $RANDOM_UPSTREAM ships a desktop file for, for whatever reason. So, after sufficient time, the gnome menu will contain a random assortment of the menu items that also appear in the debian menu. Not a well-chosen and consistent assortment, but the kind of random assortment that you get when you ignore policy and go off on your own way. I agree with you, but I am only the 'Debian menu maintainer' and I do not have time or interest to maintain the .desktop files in Debian. Instead people (not you) ask me transparently to stop maintaining menu and maintain the .desktop files instead, but no one is willing to do the work. (And of course .desktop is about 10% of the XDG spec). Cheers, -- Bill. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Imagine a large red swirl here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- And that's my crabbing done for the day. Got it out of the way early, now I have the rest of the afternoon to sniff fragrant tea-roses or strangle cute bunnies or something. -- Michael Devore GnuPG Key Fingerprint 86 F5 81 A5 D4 2E 1F 1C http://gnupg.org No more sea shells: Daniel's Webloghttp://cshore.wordpress.com END OF REPLIED MESSAGE -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Am 2008-10-29 22:52:52, schrieb Thomas Bushnell BSG: I am sure, my enterprise is not the only one wondering about such requirement to let users modify firmware of sensibel hardware which CAN destuct the whole computer since they have to leafe out some stuff to get it into the small memories... How is this a reason not to provide source code? Manufacturerers can be sued... You get the hell if you for example modify the firmware uf a GSM modem and you disturb the GSM communication... It is NOT the Software distributor, but the Hardware Manufacturer which run into touble. I must certify my Hardware to be used in GSM networks. The if you modify the Firmware of my 24V DC Modular ATX PSU which is connectedt to 24V Batteries and a SolarCharger and now you change the Reference vomtage from 24V (Gel batteries) to 25,9V (Li-Poly batteries), You can burn your computer and after this, there is NO preuv, it was my Firmware or your modified one. So now as a Manufacturer I have the choice between 1) Use a huge NV/FLASH/EEPROM Memory which make the Hardware maybe 10-20 Euro more expensive and I will lost customers. 2) Use huge external SRAM (makes the Hardware expensive too) to let users load there own non tested and non-optimised blob and become sued if something goes wrong. So, the Open-Source System does not realy work on Hardware... I don't understand why this matters to you. Provide the source code; Debian ships it, and nobody is hurt. If nobody ever makes use of it, how has it harmed you? The sourcecode is the blob. I can reload it into my Develoment suit and edit it, but thats all. This SDKs use highly optimized builders/compilr and there is NO OpenSource solution for it. Increasing FLASH/SRAM only because someone maybe want to burn its hardware or damage others is braindamaged since they are NO waraties something will work correctly... The problem is, IF someone (e.g. Hobby frickler) do something wrong, I can be f...ed. I do not know HOW OpenMoko do this, but the certification for GSM software/firmware IS expensive and it IS required by law. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Am 2008-10-30 17:49:40, schrieb Giacomo A. Catenazzi: But most of the firmwares are outside wireless communication. Right, but they are some like the one from me. How many manufacturers was sued because users burn the monitors (it was very easy) or other hardwares (e.g. try with hdparam) ? Do you think, someone (manufacturers) is making it public? How many non conforming GSM devices are sold? How many of such devices are recalled by manufactures? You can not even sell GSM devices, if your software is not certified. The recalls are very very low... because they are tested Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Hello Ben and *, Am 2008-10-27 18:31:25, schrieb Ben Finney: If so, I don't get it either. If we use the ???preferred form of the work for making modifications to it??? definition of source code, what is the form that best meets that definition? What form of the work do the copyright holders use to make changes to it? There are SDKs called Builder where you will have NEVER source code, even as Developer, since the Builder create an IMAGE which will be uploaded into the the SRAM of a Microcontroller (I have some 8051 compatibles) and then after uploading it is executed... The Microcontroller cost arround 4 US$ but if I user the same WITH integrated FLASH memory, it cost arround 9-12 US$. So, the prefered form of distributing is a 16/32/64/128/256 kByte IMAGE. Currently I am developing a Hardware where I need such thing and now puzzeling arround whether to use a firmware loader (GNU GPL version 3.0, already coded and packed for the Debian distribution) or use the same Microcontroller WITH FLASH which then is arround 5 US$ more expensive and if the final Hardware cost arround 40 US$ (without VAT) in Low-Cost. I do not know, whether my customers accepet 5 US$ more. However, my Firmware Loader must be there anyway for upgrades... The question is, what do you want with the Sourcecode? Reprogramming? A singel error in the parameters will cook your computer hardware and HOW do you want to recode something or add functionality? I have choosen the smallest Microcontroller required to save money... Yes, I can reploaye a MC with 16 kByte SRAM with one which has 256 kByte and then OSS frickler can add stuff, but this would make the controller over 10 times more expensive... Please think about it. I've been continually surprised over the decades at just how much usefulness can be found by clever people, once outsiders have free access to the form of the work that is used for making modifications. I have the hell striping down the firmware of my hardware to fit into 32 kByte and you are talking about modifications to it... I am sure, my enterprise is not the only one wondering about such requirement to let users modify firmware of sensibel hardware which CAN destuct the whole computer since they have to leafe out some stuff to get it into the small memories... So much so that I'm very skeptical of anyone telling me that such access is ???totally useless???. It is useless because I am building a hardware which take me several month to develop plus coding testing the software in a secured environement where hardware can not be destucted... The lifetime of such hardware would be maybe 3-5 years and now, you can explain me, HOW you would develop/recode the firmware, if you have NOT the requirement environement, risking damages to the hardware and more. You do not know the internals of my hardware and have to guess things. Without the hardware developer tools you can not even DEBUG the Hardware while loading YOUR hacked firmware. Even if my hardware has a JTAG connector... So the plan is: Debian is only for hardware manufacturers that embed the firmware in flash. If you hide your non-free stuff, that'd ^ Which would make hardware much more expensive Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Am 2008-10-27 10:10:19, schrieb Neil Williams: Because that's how the hardware works. If you are making a widget and you need a fpga or hybrid chip of any sort, then you generate a binary blob using the chip manufacturers tools. Are these chip manufacturer tools physical tools/machines or software programs? (i.e. something I need to pick up in my hands or something I need to execute?) Is there any way that someone else can use the same or similar tools to modify the blob (even if it is only useful to do so on a different board / with a different chipset)? Some of those tools are under NDA an as I have already mentioned in a E-Mail for some seconds, they create mostly an IMAGE which then will be loaded into the Microcontroles SRAM. Such SRAM, which in my case of a 8051 compatibel controller, can be 16, 32, 64 or 128 kByte... Now you can claim, you can use SDCC (Small Device C Compiler; is Debian Package) to build the firmware, but manufactureres are saving money by using the smalles memory model available and of course, the manufacturer build tools are building highly optimizd binaries... IF I wan to use SDCC for my projects, I have to increase the SRAM by the factor 3, which mean, instead using 32 kByte I have to use 128 kByte. Which increase the price for the microcontroller from 4 US$ to 9 US$. If the chip is used on a different board with different configuration, is the blob going to need to be changed and who gets to change it? Can Imagine an ATMEL AT91SAM7S with bigger SRAM but without FLASH... And even if I use this chip on 100 different products the firmware would be different on each product. Debian include software that supports porting Debian to the new board or can the blob be used to lock Debian out? If I build a customised board myself, is the blob / lack of blob going to prevent me running free software on the chip/board? Most Hardware would simlpy NOT run before uploading the Firmware... It does not mather, WHICH Operating System: Linux, BSD, MacOS, Windows... All do need a loader to run the hardware... From an embedded perspective - so am I. I admit, I know very little about the minutiae of hardware but I know I'm going to come up against these problems and I want to know more about fixing them - *without* needing to get permission from the chip manufacturers or getting their software tools or needing expensive hardware tools. Unfortunately, the optimized binaries produced by GCC and in my case SDCC cost money in form of Hardware... My Development suite (runing on Windows XP) cost arround 8500 US$ but using SDCC would cost me at least 3 million Euro more in production which my customers have to pay... I am not realy sure, 50.000 customers would accept hardware which cost 45 US$ instead of 40 US$ because there are 2-3 OSS frickler which want access to the source because they want to fix something. Do you would give the FIXES back to the manufacturer? IF the hardware is working under Linux, BSD, MacOS, Windows and others, are you realy willing to give the changes back even the other users are using Windows? I know a hardware manufacturer which gaved the sourcecode away under GPL and it is IN the Debian distribution, but its OSS frickler upstream has never gaved the changes back to the manufacturer so others can benefit from it... I strongly do not agree with this practice... Note: The OSS firmware IS NOT compatibel with Windows and does not add any additional functionalyty except it is open! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Am 2008-10-28 12:41:31, schrieb Ben Finney: Jeff Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Usually it's whatever the chip manufacturer provides. ;-) That doesn't seem to address my question. Here, ???the copyright holders??? means the copyright holders in the work under question; i.e. the work whose freedom is being discussed: the bundle of bits that get redistributed with the driver for loading onto the hardware. Whoever the copyright holder of that work is (I read your remark above to mean that the hardware manufacturer is that copyright holder), there must be a ???preferred form of the work for making modifications to it???. What form is that? *Someone* must have it, in order to make modifications that become new releases of the work to run on the same hardware. I use a 8000 US$ software under Windows XP to build highly optimized (very small) firmware and there is nothing like a C source code. The project IS a binary blob which then can directly uploaded into the device. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Am 2008-10-28 02:45:31, schrieb Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo: If it's not clear by now, people are not arguing that hardware should not be used if it is not free hardware (either it is feasible or not to distribute or exist source code). The matter is whether source for code that will not execute in the main CPU is needed for those codes in the main section. So, your point that it is not x86 code is moot in the case firmware is considered to be the same as other software in Debian. If source code isn't available or possible for the chip carries the same requirements for DFSG as the case would be for the x86 code, in the case firmware should still follow DFSG. Anw what do you do with sourcode, for which there is not even a compiler availlable under Linux/BSD? And you HAV to buy a 8000 US$ development suit from the chip manufacturer to build the firmware? I have such software and EVEN me can not read the firmware. I have ONLY a project in my IDE and it produce the firmware. And now you! Even machine readable form would still be considered source if its interpretation by the machine could be presented to someone to make modifications to it. If it is not modifiable for some reason and every design should be done from scratch, perhaps there is a problem with the tools and/or processes used. Do you have already tried to modify a binary blob or simply opened a (no mather which) binary from /bin/ in a HEX editor and tried to modify it? Even the chip manufacturers don't know what they are. It's totally machine generated chip garbage as far as they are concerned. Once you Which machines do generate this garbage? Do they do it all by themselves? Are there machines designing new hardware now without human intervention? Or are those chips magically enhanced so they could make some sense of any random bitstream and there is no real mistery in generating this garbage? The software/IDE use projects which are not in human readable form... ...and if you have finisched, you klick the button Output firmware and then you have the firmware blob. If the manufacturers are unaware of it, I doubt the designer is unaware of it. ??? It seems you have never designed Hardware or realy coded software for it Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Am 2008-10-28 09:33:07, schrieb Tristan Seligmann: Again, assuming I'm not misspeaking, that form of the work is already what we have. ACK ;-) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Hi Jeff, Am 2008-10-27 12:26:31, schrieb Jeff Carr: Some modern devices let the OS load this code into the chip then we are able to write fully GPL drivers for the device. This sounds a little bit weird... What does have the FIRMWARE to do with a DEVICE DRIVER? The FIRMWARE is intend to be loaded INTO the DEVICE, and then the DEVICE DRIVER is in the OS to access the hardware. The DEVICE DRIVER can be anyway written under GPL even if the FIRMWARE is a binary blob. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Am 2008-10-29 00:39:40, schrieb Ben Hutchings: How exactly do you propose to load the firmware, if not through a JTAG port? Back in the world of production hardware which Debian runs on, ASICs tend to have power-on-reset logic built-in... Most PCI hardware has a very small bootloader which checks some signals on the PCI bus... I have a book about it but no time to read in since it is very complicated... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Am 2008-10-27 17:01:50, schrieb Felipe Sateler: Jeff Carr wrote: But the opencore case is the easy case, hybrid chips don't even have source. The firmware blob is often generated when you fabricate the chip changes with the physical board layout. You guys just don't understand the issues here. Please explain what the issues are, then. The firmware blob has to be generated *somehow*. There is a tool that generates the blob. Which data does the tool need to generate it? The IDE/Software which produce the firmware blobs mostly generate it directly and the projects the developers are using are binary stuff. Parts of it maybe human readable but not suffisant to compile it or do anything usefull with it. And as I have already written, SDCC compiled code is 3 times bigger as the firmeware blob generated by a 8000 US$ IDE. And using a Microcontroller/ASIC with bigger memory is no solution since sometimes it would be very costly... In my case arround 3 million Euro more for the final production (18mio). Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations
Am 2008-10-28 10:00:31, schrieb Lennart Sorensen: Debian's policy is not insane. It is consistent. Any hardware maker that wants their hardware to work with free software could use an eeprom to store the firmware within the device, so that there is nothing non-free that has to be distributed. That is what Debian is concerned with. If the firmware is embedded in the device, then it has nothing to do with Debian anymore, and it is entirely up to the user whether they care about how the hardware they buy is made. Those that do care can simply avoid that type of hardware (or at least try to). Curently I am building a hardware where the parts cost arround 40US$ per device (@10.000) and using the same microcontroller with a big FLASH memory would mke this Hardware arround 5 US$ in final production more expensive. So for the end-users arreound 10 US$ or 8 Euro Are you willing to pay arround 15-18% more for such hardware? Also you shouls know, that code generated by SDCC is 3 times bigger then the one build by my IDE provided by the Microcontroller manufacturer. Which mean, I must switch from a 32 kByte model to a 128 kByte one. Or by attaching an external NVRAM of 128 kByte like the Atmel AT29BV010A and I think, you can check the price for yourself... If they use flash chips, then it doesn't affect Debian, because the flash chip already contains what is needed for the device to work. Debian doesn't have to have anything to do with updating them, and hence there is no distribution of non-free to worry about. Again: ARE you realy willing to pay at least 10US$ or 8€ more for the hardware? I mean, the I am trying currently servera hardware models since I need highly optimized one (for solar-Energie Systems) and there is nothing in production yet. I am 100% free what to do and how I do it... Since all of my software must run under GNU/Linux and is licensed under GNU GPL version 3 I like to see, that my hardware/Software fit the DFSG which mean, must run with main. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#502959: general: raff.debian.org uses non-free software
Am 2008-10-21 13:52:03, schrieb Pierre Habouzit: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:38:31AM +, Aurelien Jarno wrote: And we should delay the release by 5 years until we have them... I fear the hardware will be old at that time??? Not realy since we have currently an economic crises, the world will have no money for the next 5 years... ;-) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
FW by [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [Fwd: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora]
Hello *, for those who are interested in... Note: I love Debian because I like HOW it is! Long live Debian! - Forwarded message from Itamar - IspBrasil [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:53:40 -0300 From: Itamar - IspBrasil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Development discussions related to Fedora [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora] X-TDMailSerialnumber: 8543641 forwarding message from Rodrigo Padula any chance to increase the life of fedora releases ? or fedora will be only blending edge ? In my opinion fedora is losing space from centos and ubuntu Original Message Subject:Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:42:55 -0300 From: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Guys! Read this bad news: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1474805050;fp;16;fpid;1 This is happening frequently. I think we will have to revise some things within the project, particularly the creation of a Legacy project or a Fedora LTS. The brazilian government, one of the biggest Fedora Case of the world is changing from Fedora/ Red Hat to Ubuntu/Debian. We need to think and create a solution to give support by a long time or the fedora user will decrease! My 0,02 -- Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira M.Sc. Student - COPPE/UFRJ Fedora Community Manager - Latin America http://www.proyectofedora.org -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list - End forwarded message - -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Again another note...
8-- I would have to reply that rapid development is one of the reasons I love Fedora. Fedora fill a specific niche that fall between a Gentoo/LFS mentality (although in the past I have seen Fedora RPMs more up to date than Gentoo Ebuilds) and the superstable world of Debian and RHEL/CentOS. ^^^ Ubuntu releases, also fit into this category although they do not move as rapidly as Fedora. I would submit that CentOS/RHEL IS the equivalent of Fedora LTS. Also, personally I have found Fedora to be more stable than Ubuntu. IMOFedora needs to stay true to its purpose, and let the users choose if that is appropriate for them. 8-- ;-) Note: Most of my customers are switching from Mandriva/Fedora to Debian because exactly this reason... And of course, there are MANY Madriva/Fedora consultants out here in Strasbourg but there is a grave problem with it: MANY of them are no real Enterprises and they are short-term GNU/Linux users and create there One-Man enterprise because the economic crises... Most of them have no Real-Experience in administrating an Enterprise Network and fail... I have too much customers and I am hopeless overworked with over 2800 Server/Workstations under my control. Fortunately I have some customers which allowed my to install some of my own admin servers (High-Availability) and mirrrors in there networks which help me to do central administration of nearly all computers at once... Thanks to all Debian Developers, Debian Maintainers and Contributors making Debian to the best and biggest GNU/linux Distribution of the World... Greetings and nice Day/Evening/Night Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight
Am 2008-10-07 19:17:52, schrieb Didier Raboud: Yes... If I am in a country where the usage of the patented repo is forbidden for whatever reason, I could (legally) not rebuild the whole main myself. Even if there is no problem in your country you can not even build Etch from scratch... I have gotten 67 FTBFS errors. (those errors are known since ages) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: mpeg encoder patents, Was: Bug#501190: ITP: moonlight
Hello Ben and *, Am 2008-10-08 00:07:18, schrieb Ben Finney: Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The best reference for patent enforcments I have is http://www.mpegla.com/news.cfm. However none of those lawsuits are comparable to debian, becuase: a) debian/spi is a non-profit organisation b) debian does not sell hardware Many recipients of Debian do meet one or both of those descriptions. First of all, there are a waste minority (I thing under 0.1%) and I see this as discrimination of private users. And of course, I have only main in my sources. list and sometimes I forget that non-free exist (e.g. bash-doc and others) :-/ The DFSG require the works distributed in Debian be free for all recipients of Debian, not just for the Debian project. But this would mean, I am discriminated, not to use mpeg-encoding privately. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Rejuvenated kernel-package uploaded to unstable, please test
Hello Manoj and other Kernel-Maintainers, Thank you for doing this hard job... I am ongoing to test the new kernel-package. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#497304: general: packages cannot be partially installed
Am 2008-09-22 16:43:51, schrieb Steve Greenland: On 20-Sep-08, 19:28 (CDT), Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not what he said. If installation of language files (they can still be in the program package) could be only done for the language(s) that the user wants (many systems only will ever use one specific translation), you could reduce the installed files by many thousands. Actually nobody needs all of them but only a subset. Disc space of cheap most of the time, though. Understood... apt-get install localepurge I was thinking on this too but it has an negative impact, since you have to install the whole thing first... where you can run out of space in small systems and then you have to purge it... While looking into the apt-hooks, I do not know how they are working and whether it is possibel to purge the unneccesary file after unpacking of EACH SINGEL PACKAGE since purging after unpacking of ALL PACKAGES can be a killer... And then there is a second thing: Since some systems do not need /usr/share/doc/* there could be a hook too which eliminate those GBytes of stuff... But it should leave -doc packages as they are... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: What should be on a rescue CD ? (was Re: Debian Live Lenny Beta1)
Hello Ian, Is Midnight Commander on the Rescue-CD? I have gotten (from the net) some Rescue-CDs laking mc which I use daily on any of my systems... What hex editor(s) should it have ? How important is it to have python, tcl, ruby or other scripting languages ? Which ONE version of Emacs ? Both nvi _and_ elvis ? mc/mcedit including its syntax highlighting Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: What should be on a rescue CD ? (was Re: Debian Live Lenny Beta1)
Am 2008-08-28 14:41:38, schrieb Mark Allums: Consider something akin to pico/nano as well. Something very small and lightweight and easy to use. Something for the near misses in the experience department: someone who is able to install and run Debian (mostly) but still is a bit green/wet behind the ears when it comes to something like a rescue. This is, WHY I prefer Midnight Commander since it is a FileManager, Viewer and Editor including syntax highlighting and of course, easy to use. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#497304: general: packages cannot be partially installed
Am 2008-08-31 19:08:49, schrieb Mark Hobley: eg: coreutils depends on coreutils-fileutils and coreutils-fileutils depends on coreutils-fileutils-head, coreutils-fileutils-split This would leed into over 200.000 Binary packages... It is policy that internationalized (non-english) components are packaged separately to the core package. For example, a package foobar, would have its french documentation in a separate foobar-fr package. Packages should not install cruft on the system. This means that a package should not install a foreign language file, unless the system has been explicitly configured to support that foreign language. Hmmm, how many languages do we have? If each package is only translated into 10 languages, your wish will lead into over 15.000 additional packages. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
Hello Joachim, Am 2008-08-15 13:04:03, schrieb Joachim Breitner: To install Debian onto your MicroSD card, alongside your current Image on the internal Flash, see the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner These will provide you with a minimal Debian installation plus everything required to use zhone. From there on, you are free to modify your system as you wish ??? with the full power and flexibility of the Debian system. Is it posibel to install it on a Nokia 6120 classic? I have recenly bought a second one on eBay since it has an ARM926EJ with 312 MHz on board ans 128 MByte of Flash plus 2 Gbyte od MicoSD. Since I have hacked th JTAG it is now running a LFS console... But realy, I do not even like to port 200 packages to it... All this is still very new and was created during at the DebConf 8 in Mar de Plata since last week. This means that there are still bugs and other things to improve. You are invited to join the development by subscribing to the smartphone-standards[5] mailing list that the Debian team shares with the FSO team. There is also a wiki page[6] with more information on the pkg-fso team, including a TODO section. I will join... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Possible mass bug filing: The possibility of attack with the help of symlinks in some Debian packages
Hi *, a little bit late, but since I am currently working in germany... Am 2008-08-11 17:31:51, schrieb Sam Morris: A while ago, the use of libpam-tmpdir was suggested in order to mitigate some of these attacks. It would be nice to see it in use by default, some day. Obviously there will always be some programs that don't look at the TMPDIR environment variable and directly use /tmp. Isn't there some fancy thing in current kernels that allows /tmp to be mounted individually for each user? I am using since some years a selvmade tool called tdtmpdir [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~] tdtmpdir --show-tmpdirs You have following TMPDIR's cached: FQDN | DIS | TMPDIR -+-+-- | | /tmp/michelle.konzack.LbUVct aspire1350.private.tamay-dogan.n | | /tmp/michelle.konzack.XC3917 mail.private.tamay-dogan.net | | /tmp/michelle.konzack.YG3771 samba3.private.tamay-dogan.net | | /tmp/michelle.konzack.iV5846 tp570.private.tamay-dogan.net| | /tmp/michelle.konzack.rATqyA tp570.private.tamay-dogan.net| :0 | /tmp/michelle.konzack.rATqyA tp570.private.tamay-dogan.net| :1 | /tmp/michelle.konzack.rATqyA The TMPDIRS are cache with: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~] ls .tmpdir* -rw-r--r-- 1 michelle.konzack private 29 2007-11-01 22:00 .tmpdir_aspire1350.private.tamay-dogan.net -rw-r--r-- 1 michelle.konzack private 29 2007-11-13 14:16 .tmpdir_mail.private.tamay-dogan.net -rw-r--r-- 1 michelle.konzack private 29 2008-08-20 19:43 .tmpdir_samba3.private.tamay-dogan.net -rw-r--r-- 1 michelle.konzack private 29 2008-08-19 23:19 .tmpdir_tp570.private.tamay-dogan.net -rw-r--r-- 1 michelle.konzack private 29 2008-08-20 19:43 .tmpdir_tp570.private.tamay-dogan.net:0 -rw-r--r-- 1 michelle.konzack private 29 2007-12-29 22:04 .tmpdir_tp570.private.tamay-dogan.net:1 The FQDN is, because I am mounting /home/ over NFS and in the /etc/profile I have if [ -x /bin/tdtmpdir ] ; then . /bin/tdtmpdir fi and since not all programs are honoring $TMPDIR I have [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~] env |grep /tmp/ TMPDIR=/tmp/michelle.konzack.iV5846 TEMP=/tmp/michelle.konzack.iV5846 TEMPDIR=/tmp/michelle.konzack.iV5846 TMP=/tmp/michelle.konzack.iV5846 Unfortunately GIMP and OpenOffice ignore $TMPDIR and the other three which is realy annoying. Some times ago I have already reported a BUG against GIMP but it was closed. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: tools/ and dftp on mirrors
Am 2008-08-07 09:42:31, schrieb Daniel Moerner: Hello, Although it is doubtful that anyone actually uses all of those zip files in order to install debian, I think it is very likely that other linux sites point to the debian/tools directory to inform people where to download rawrite and md5sum, two relatively common utilities needed if you have a linux system at hand. I don't think this is a reason to stop their removal, however. A quick google search reveals that while Apple points to the Debian mirrors, (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=71921) the document was created in 1999. It's probably safe to remove them. Hmmm, this mean, loadlin.exe would be removed too? Since I do some embedded stuff using DJGPP I used loadlin.exe to boot a linux basic installation from withing MS/DR-DOS or TDDOS. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Bug#493697: ITP: mobile-manager -- mobile manager GPRS/3G daemon
Am 2008-08-04 17:53:05, schrieb Hendrik Sattler: Am Montag, 4. August 2008 13:49:09 schrieb Guus Sliepen: What is missing here is whether or not mobile-manager comes with a GUI component to interact with the daemon. ...and how it can maybe interact with network-manager. There is not so much special about a GPRS/whatever device apart from the few AT chatting that handles PIN/PUK and the dial commands. The world was using pppd for that. I vote for all three working together... Does network-manager and mobile-manager allow SMS or Voice-Connect? It seems, in the next time there will be a third tool. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu
Hello Josselin, Am 2008-07-06 14:28:15, schrieb Josselin Mouette: the restrictions of the Debian menu system (no i18n support, 32x32 XPM icons, strict hierarchy), these goals are simply not compatible. For Fvwm it is not right, since you can do $[gt.Hello] and in the ~/.fvwm/config I use LocalePath /usr/share/locale;fvwm-menu:+ I was working last year on this stuff, but since my whole network was destrcted by an very heavy over-voltage the development has stoped. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: bits/news from the users of Debian?
enhancements to existing software. 3) write documentations which fir the DFSG. (e.g. bash-doc) How can we help you to contribute to Debian or free software in general? Hmmm... In your replies, please indicate which parts are for debconf, d-d-a or d-p. Please also indicate if you would like to remain anonymous, want your comments attributed to you or don't care either way. You can use my full name and e-Mail address freely and the whole contents of the message... I'll read all public and private replies and make summaries for d-d-a and d-p. Depending on the number of replies and my real life situation, it might take a while to write up, so please be patient. I'm unfortunately monolingual, so if you would like to translate this mail to your language and translate replies from users to English and send them to me, please feel free to post it to the non-English user lists/forums. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Need old Packages.gz and Release Files
Hallo Jens, Am 2008-05-05 15:29:27, schrieb Jens Seidel: You can use the jigdo files such as debian-40r2-i386-DVD-1.jigdo from http://www.debian.co.il/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/jigdo-dvd/ or http://ftp.pwr.wroc.pl/debian-iso/4.0_r1/i386/jigdo-dvd/debian-40r1-i386-DVD-1.jigdo to extract this information. jigdo files are just gzipped text files. At least for the 4.0 release you should be able to find jigdo files ... I think I can send you also some older releases such as Woody in a private mail. Have to dig ... In some days I have back my Server online and I can give you an sftp/scp access to upload them. I think it is better then E-Mail... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Need old Packages.gz and Release Files
Am 2008-04-28 20:21:34, schrieb Goswin von Brederlow: If you have for example the ORIGINAL CDs/DVD's of 3.1r4 I can build the package tree from there since I have all original packages I only do not know which packages went included in the releases... Did anyone mention http://archive.debian.org/README yet? Yes, but the lists are not complete. If you get the Packages.gz, Release and Release.gpg files from a CD/DVD set then you can verify them individually with the debian archive key from that time and then merge them into a full list and sign with your own key. You don't have to download anything from archive.debian.net if you have those index file. As I have written, I have nearly 20 TByte of Debian packages on my mirror and only accidently killet the /debian/dists/ directory with all its Packages.gz, Sources.gz, Release and releases.gpg files. I have all downloaded I have found and arround 16% of the mirror (generaly the last releses) restored. What I am missing, are the LISTS of the packages from the Sub-Releases like r0, r1, ... Since I have ONLY original Debian packages and trust them because it is a private Non-Public mirror (up to now) I need only the Lists with the files with its version numbers which went in the Sub-Releases to create the Symlinks and generate the NEW Packages.gz and Sources.gz files. Since I can not use the original GPG-Key I sign the Release files with MY GPG-Key to be sure, no one else after me has modified it. OK, there are peoples using my mirror, BUT THEY TRUST MY KEY even if they have not signed it, because we have never meet us personaly. Note: If I do bad things, peoples will find it out very fast, and my business is ancien history... Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Need old Packages.gz and Release Files
Am 2008-04-25 16:07:51, schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli: You are asking generically Packages without specifying a mirror. Are they granted to be identically replicated among all mirrors? Of course they *probably* are due to how mirroring works, but is it *granted* that there are no differences among mirrors? Would such difference inhibit proper installation due to the apt-secure stuff? If you have for example the ORIGINAL CDs/DVD's of 3.1r4 I can build the package tree from there since I have all original packages I only do not know which packages went included in the releases... And yes, there is a problem with the signed release files, but since I can check my packages agains packages on archive.debian.net I am sure, I have the right an unaltered ones. And IF I recreate the packages.gz/Sources.gz, I sign it with MY key and you CAN trust it or not... And of course, you can pull down a couple of packages/files out of my several million (nearly 20 TByte or ninety SCSI 300 GByte drives) and check it against packages/files from archive.debian.net... :-) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
