Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-25 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org): > Cameron Norman writes: > > > Oh this is easy. The init script calls s-s-d and does not check the return > > code (so always exits 0). I am just going to use set -e in the init > > script, only a couple tweaks are needed. > > Please don't use set -e in in

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-25 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Michael Biebl (bi...@debian.org): > Hi Serge! > > Am 25.07.2014 23:35, schrieb Serge Hallyn: > > Quoting Michael Biebl (bi...@debian.org): > >> Am 25.07.2014 19:23, schrieb Steve Langasek: > >>> systemd-shim 6-4 has now been uploaded to unstable

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-25 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Michael Biebl (bi...@debian.org): > > Am 25.07.2014 23:35, schrieb Serge Hallyn: > > Quoting Michael Biebl (bi...@debian.org): > >> > >> The init script fails with > >> > >> # service cgmanager start > >> [] Starting cgroup ma

Re: systemd now appears to be only possible init system in testing

2014-07-25 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Michael Biebl (bi...@debian.org): > Am 25.07.2014 19:23, schrieb Steve Langasek: > > systemd-shim 6-4 has now been uploaded to unstable with a dependency on > > cgmanager, implementing the new post-v205 interfaces. > > I just installed systemd-shim 6-4 and cgmanager 0.28-1. > Unfortunatel

Re: GR - collecting proposals (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)

2014-07-09 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Marco d'Itri (m...@linux.it): > On Jul 09, Alessio Treglia wrote: > > > I think that it would be valuable for our users to keep the > > non-default init system working on Jessie for those who do neither > > intend nor need to switch to systemd. > I suggest less thinking and more coding th

Re: [Pkg-shadow-devel] Help wanted: test new shadow source package (login, passwd, uidmap, etc.)

2014-05-02 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org): > On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 04:38:15AM +0000, Serge Hallyn wrote: > > Quoting Christian PERRIER (bubu...@debian.org): > > > Quoting Christian PERRIER (bubu...@debian.org): > > > > Hello fellow developers, > > > >

Re: [Pkg-shadow-devel] Help wanted: test new shadow source package (login, passwd, uidmap, etc.)

2014-05-02 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Christian PERRIER (bubu...@debian.org): > Quoting Serge Hallyn (serge.hal...@ubuntu.com): > > Quoting Christian PERRIER (bubu...@debian.org): > > > Quoting Christian PERRIER (bubu...@debian.org): > > > > Hello fellow developers, > > > > > >

Re: Help wanted: test new shadow source package (login, passwd, uidmap, etc.)

2014-05-01 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Christian PERRIER (bubu...@debian.org): > Quoting Christian PERRIER (bubu...@debian.org): > > Hello fellow developers, > > > > I would like to request your help in testing the new version of the > > shadow package (that provides login, passwd and such other important > > or base packages).

Re: stop posting useless cruft and get to work (systemd and Linux are *fundamentally incompatible* -> and I can prove it)

2014-03-27 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Cameron Norman (camerontnor...@gmail.com): > El Wed, 26 de Mar 2014 a las 9:03 PM, gustavo panizzo > escribió: > >On 03/26/2014 11:49 PM, Cameron Norman wrote: > >I wonder if dbus activation > >> could be used to accomplish this. Of course, then one would not > >>be able > >> to put (in t

Re: Call to fork

2014-02-14 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting John Paul Adrian Glaubitz (glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de): > On 02/11/2014 04:18 PM, Serge Hallyn wrote: > > FWIW, disagree - I rarely set up a machine (little laptop or server or > > container) where I don't need to do one thing or another custom at boot. > > Thr

Re: Call to fork

2014-02-11 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Paul Tagliamonte (paul...@debian.org): > On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 03:39:49PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > I am telling you that by all the technical discussions which of > > the systems is superior over the other you forget about your users. > > Our users shouldn't care what init system

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-24 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Brian May (br...@microcomaustralia.com.au): > On 24 October 2013 11:09, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > * it breaks other users of cgroups. I have not tested this personally > > (mostly because of the above point), but if I understand it right, it takes > > over the whole cgroups system, requ

Re: lxc / vserver / openvz (was: systemd flamage)

2013-10-24 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 03:40:04PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > On Oct 24, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > > > > > What do you mean by "holding hostile root." ? > > http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_413 > > > > The missing parts (UID virtualization IIRC) ar

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-24 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 09:11:30AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:09:46AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > And I for one heavily use vservers > > > > It's a professional shame of mine that we are still trying to get ri

Re: adduser Pre-Depends for qemu-system-common

2013-03-15 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Wookey (woo...@wookware.org): > +++ Serge Hallyn [2013-03-14 14:58 -0500]: > > Hi, > > > > > To fix this the kvm group should be created during preinst before the > > udev rules file is unpacked. This requires adding adduser to the > > Pre-Depends

Re: adduser Pre-Depends for qemu-system-common

2013-03-14 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Michael Biebl (bi...@debian.org): > On 14.03.2013 22:15, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Serge Hallyn writes: > >> qemu-system-common installs a udev rules file which sets /dev/kvm group > >> to 'kvm'. Its postinst then adds a

adduser Pre-Depends for qemu-system-common

2013-03-14 Thread Serge Hallyn
Hi, qemu-system-common installs a udev rules file which sets /dev/kvm group to 'kvm'. Its postinst then adds a kvm group. However udev reads the new rules file as soon as it sees it, sees that group kvm doesn't exist, and ignores that part of the rule (until reboot, udev restart, or the rule is

Re: socket-based activation has unmaintainable security?

2013-02-06 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Andrey Rahmatullin (w...@wrar.name): > On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 12:30:28PM -0600, Serge Hallyn wrote: > > > > Do we finally have mechanisms to start processes without root but with > > > > elevated capabilities? > > > We also need fallback for non

Re: socket-based activation has unmaintainable security?

2013-02-06 Thread Serge Hallyn
Quoting Jonathan Dowland (j...@debian.org): > On 6 Feb 2013, at 17:37, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > > Do we finally have mechanisms to start processes without root but with > > elevated capabilities? > > We also need fallback for non Capability-capable supported kernels > (wow that's an awkward