Re: Bug#796464: general: there is no auto crash reporting
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 05:04:43PM -0500, Richard Jasmin wrote: Package: general Severity: important debian should implement an automatic crash detection and reporting system like Fedora and Ubuntu teams have.If not mistaken, Fedora uses upstream of what ubuntu uses --apport. apport is in experimental.
Debian 8 - Best Yet
Just wanted to add some cheer since the past 12 months or so have been somewhat rocky, what with the transition to systemd and ensuing controversy with a vocal minority. Being an end-user of Debian desktop, I'd just like to say that Jessie, In My Opinion, is the best release yet - I'm loving GNOME, the stability, and the Debian 8 wallpaper! Compared to the Spacefun theme, this one is polished, and the teal nice compared to the monochrome and saturated desktops that are the rage now. I just love it and thanks for all your hard work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150501181552.GA9806@localhost.localdomain
Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 04:05:55PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org writes: It is a gut feeling also, and one that has been widely expresed by others, (with better and worse words) that Debian server admins will not be pleased with an init system which is bigger and does not use shell scripts to start system services. And many of us who actually *are* Debian server administrators have said repeatedly that your gut is wrong, in the innumerable versions of this conversation that have happened over the past two years. This idea that systemd is somehow aimed at desktop environments and is not useful or a good idea for servers is complete nonsense. I say this as someone who barely uses desktops at all and who has been running large-scale server environments professionally for twenty years, and who has had extensive conversations on this topic with professional colleagues in environments ranging from a hundred servers to hundreds of thousands. Indeed and even FreeBSD acknowledges that they need a new init. I often see the oponents of sytemd touting the BSDs. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mri66Uz6-8Y#t=1643 John Hubbard talking about how an approach like systemd is needed on FreeBSD. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141127002808.GA6801@stephen-desktop
Re: delete resume
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 03:24:28PM +, Jenny zhou wrote: HI, I found my resume is in your mailing list. Can you help me to delete it. Thanks, Yingwei Being that this email list is mirrored all over the net, you might as well forget about it. One example is here: https://www.marshut.net/kqtmmh/delete-resume.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141023180156.GA29475@X300.Gatewire
Re: Debian Installer Jessie Beta 1 release
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:15:05PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: The Debian Installer team[1] is pleased to announce the first beta release of the installer for Debian 8 Jessie. Thanks. [ ...] Known bugs in this release == * Firmware handling: udev no longer reports missing firmware (#725714), and patches for the kernel need polishing before we are able to restore support for loading missing firmware. * GNU/kFreeBSD installation images suffer from various important bugs (#757985, #757986, #757987, #757988). Porters could surely use some helping hands to bring the installer back into shape! See the errata[2] for details and a full list of known issues. [ ...] 1. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Team 2. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata 3. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer ---end quoted text--- Any changes between alpha errata to beta? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140815175903.GA32385@Jessie
Re: Debian default desktop environment
On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 01:21:01PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: I am a techie user using Awesome, so my judgement is flawed too. As is most of us in this discussion, I suspect. Recently a [Debian design team] was initiated, and work is ongoing to make a Debian Blend for designers. I am involved in that team and personally favor Xfce, but so does others involved including the authors of [Libre Graphics Mag] who make a living teaching design to students with background in both Mac and Windows - they use Xfce since a few years for their courses, based on careful reflection on the perception of their students in adopting Linux tools from different backgrounds. [Debian design team]: https://wiki.debian.org/Design [Libre Graphics Mag]: http://libregraphicsmag.com/ That seems strange as most design people prefer MacOS and Gnome-Shell developers do similar things as that OS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140409012333.GA5974@Jessie
Re: Debian default desktop environment
On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 12:32:45AM +0100, Roger Lynn wrote: On 04/04/14 00:50, Stephen Allen wrote: On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:18:41AM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: I think Xfce is much better *default* desktop environment (DE) than Gnome. As KDE fan I do not like Gnome. Those who forget to choose DE in installer (just like I did more than once) and end up with Xfce will have a lot less to remove from their systems shall they choose to use a different DE. Faster installation is another good reason to stick with Xfce by default. Disagree - Gnome 3 I would think for MOST users would be preferable. Like the OP says Xfce4 is not desirable for most users coming from the dark side or heck perhaps for most users on Linux that want a modern desktop. If you assume that most users have previously used MS Windows, then wouldn't KDE be more appropriate? It might also avoid some of the more controversial discussions we've seen here in recent years. Sure KDE is worthy of consideration as well, my personal favourite is Gnome-Shell. The point is, it should be a modern Desktop Environment. Anybody I've showed Gnome-Shell to, likes it. Of course these are folks that were never exposed to CDE or other dinosaur window shells. :-/ Most folks are going to be using modern laptops and won't be happy with something out of the 90s as their DE. I'm speaking as a retired person too. LOL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140405022236.GC32650@Jessie
Re: Debian default desktop environment
On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 12:36:30AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: Undefined User unknowuse...@gmail.com writes: 2014-04-04 19:52 GMT-03:00 Philip Hands p...@hands.com: pointless discussion First of all, great attitude, my friend. It seems like you are a very reasonable person. Second, pointless discussion? So all these people here are just wasting time? Well... What can I say? That's your point of view and I have to respect it. Well, I should probably have worded the conditional clause in that sentence to make my point more clearly -- i.e.: Given that the options other than XFCE that people are advocating here (Gnome and KDE) don't actually fit on CD#1, there is very little point trying to decide which of them you might want, since you cannot have either of them. If you're wondering where the idea that they will no longer fit on CD#1 came from, it's been a repeating theme on debian-boot, as the packages and dependencies have grown over time -- this thread seems to cover the subject pretty well, if you read all of it (there's quite a lot of it though): https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2013/05/msg00684.html As for my grumpy tone, I apologise for that -- it probably comes from the several voluminous threads on debian-devel recently spouting drivel about systemd which I may have unfairly associated with this thread. These days why bother with CDs at all - simply use DVDs? Too many choices is hard on finite developer resources and really not needed. IMHO YMMV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140405022745.GD32650@Jessie
Re: Debian default desktop environment
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 08:18:41AM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:16:15 Undefined User wrote: The problem is that right now Debian project is changing its default desktop environment, and I think that this is not a good move. Of course, it all depends on where the project is aiming at, specially on which users. But, for normal users, Gnome 3 is a way better experience than Xfce. I think Xfce is much better *default* desktop environment (DE) than Gnome. As KDE fan I do not like Gnome. Those who forget to choose DE in installer (just like I did more than once) and end up with Xfce will have a lot less to remove from their systems shall they choose to use a different DE. Faster installation is another good reason to stick with Xfce by default. Disagree - Gnome 3 I would think for MOST users would be preferable. Like the OP says Xfce4 is not desirable for most users coming from the dark side or heck perhaps for most users on Linux that want a modern desktop. Like the OP - I didn't like Gnome-Shell at first, but after giving it a month I really started enjoying it. It's also mature and being worked on extensively. Not something one can say about Xfce4 at this point. I think you're probably the exception to the rule. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140403234221.GC8047@Jessie
Re: Multiple suspend issues
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 02:37:00PM +0100, Andreas Cadhalpun wrote: Hi Patrik, On 25.02.2014 13:50, Patrik Dufresne wrote: I've installed jessie on my laptop during the week-end. I do have many issues related to suspend. snip I think you are one more suffering from Bug #726763. This should be fixed by either installing systemd-shim or by installing systemd-sysv and thus switching to the new default init system called systemd. I hope I could help you. Best regards, Andreas 1: https://bugs.debian.org/726763 I agree - on SID however the problem was the same, until I enabled systemd. It solved my suspend issues. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140308194811.GA15389@jessie.gatewire
Re: Bug#455769: same problem on wheezy + Thinkpad X220T
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:07:43PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 03/28/2013 11:47 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: Would you provide a guarantee to all users of wheezy that you will pay for their laptop repair if this issue causes damage? Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by applicable law. This problem happens regularly enough that Debian should not be promoted for laptops if it is not taken seriously as an RC issue. Users will get a very bad impression if basic things like this aren't working in a stable release. I have heard of that problem for the very first time now and I have been using Debian on a laptop since around 2004, on various machines like the Thinkpad 240X, X40, T42, T60, T23. Same here, on a X41. Debian working like a charm (SID). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130402125138.ga10...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: gnome is completely f^Mmessed up
On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 08:38:42PM +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Hello List: On 09/06/12 19:54, Stephen Allen wrote: +100 On that. Anyone that thinks 2 was better doesn't know much -- What most are saying is they liked the layout better (I think). In that case Cinamon is a good choice; best of both worlds. Is Cinnamon detributed within Debian ? No not last time I checked. It's availabe from LMDE (LinuxMintDebian) and since that distro works with Debian testing sources? well it shouldn't be too much of an issue in terms of dependencies when installing. YMMV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120610160112.ga1...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: gnome is completely f^Mmessed up
On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 09:27:05PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote: Stephen Allen, 2012-06-09 13:54:17 -0400 : [...] +100 On that. Anyone that thinks 2 was better doesn't know much -- There's no call for that belittling. You're right, poor choice of words. My apologies. ;-D What most are saying is they liked the layout better (I think). In that case Cinamon is a good choice; best of both worlds. For what it's worth: what I liked better was the fact that the DE stayed out of the way. From my few but good-faith Gnome Shell experiments[1], this is no longer the case except visually. Gnome Shell (Gnome 3.4 in general, it seems) decided that I was no longer allowed a dedicated Meta key; instead, the Meta modifier moved to the Alt key (and I no longer have an Alt modifier). As a regular Emacs user, I used to have both Meta-* and Alt-* shortcuts. No longer. Gnome Shell decided that Alt-Tab would switch amongst applications, and no longer amongst windows. So when I have several open windows on the same desktop and I want to switch from one to another, I have to stop and think whether the new window I want to focus is of the same application as the one currently focused before I go Alt-Tab or Alt-key-above-tab. If it is not, then I need to use both Alt-Tab and Alt-k-a-t in sequence. And same application actually means same instance of an application, so if I have two Emacs windows open I need to remember if I opened one from the other or if I started them independently. This breaks the flow. To make things worse, applications are listed by name and not by window title, so my Gnus shows up the same as any other Emacs and I have no way to find out whether I'll end up focusing Gnus or another Emacs; I just have to focus one and hope it's the right one. Oh yeah, right, there's an extension allowing to switch back to the standard Alt-Tab behaviour; except it doesn't restrict itself to the current workspace, so I get to browse through my dozens of windows. Gnome Shell decided that if I overshoot when moving my mouse too close to the top-left corner I should be punished and forced to reach for my Escape key before I can actually click on wherever I wanted to click. There's an extension that removes the hot corner. Right now it's in need up an upgrade to work with 3.4, unfortunately. Hey I hear you; I disliked GnomeShell at 1st too, but after using it I gradually learned to work-a-round some of the issues and others were fixed by extensions. It's a major uprade and complelely new so I know that it will get fleshed out as it matures. I like it's stability and speed so, am not willing to trade that for the old way. I gave Cinnamon a good shot, but found myself actually missing Gnome-Shell, go figure! It looks cleaner I guess shrug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120610160837.gb1...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: gnome is completely f^Mmessed up
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 08:46:31AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:23:41 +0200 Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: On Freitag, 8. Juni 2012, Norbert Preining wrote: Is this a joke? Are we going to release that in June/July/whenever? yeah, the plan is to release wheezy in June s/release/freeze/ The freeze will be in June - i.e. this month. The release comes later, how much later depends on how many people spend their Debian time fixing RC bugs and how many carry on as if the freeze didn't exist. File bugs if not filed already or feed back to existing bugs then fix the bugs and we can release. I'm not using GNOME anymore, so I can't verify whether the issues you report are reproducible from this end. However, I may well play with a Wheezy install using GNOME in a VM at some point - whether that's a fair test of some of the issues you're seeing is impossible to tell in advance. If it helps clarify/fix RC bugs, I'll do what I can but there are more than enough RC bugs to go around, I may well get distracted by others which are more directly relevant to my usage. Gnome-Shell here on SID is working fine. Yeah it went through a rough period a while back but 3.4 is humming along nicely - quick! These things happen from time to time on new software. shrug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120609175222.ga25...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: gnome is completely f^Mmessed up
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 02:26:23PM +0200, Florian Reitmeir wrote: Norbert Preining wrote: is this only me or do I have the feeling that we are going down the trench with Gnome? Repeatedly: - first login: nautilus segfaults in libnautilus-fileroller.so after log out and log in it sometimes works starting it manually most of the times work, but not always - ssh/gpg agent: most of the time just is completely useless either does not ask, or just segfaults in libglib-2.0 - plugging/unplugging power cord makes gnome-shell crash (known bug) - ... When I finally manage to get a running session, then out of nothing the blue whale appear, BSOD. Is this a joke? Are we going to release that in June/July/whenever? i use gnome too, and for me its working very stable, and gnome3 is way better than gnome2. +100 On that. Anyone that thinks 2 was better doesn't know much -- What most are saying is they liked the layout better (I think). In that case Cinamon is a good choice; best of both worlds. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120609175417.gb25...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Bug#645723: Fixed!
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 06:43:01PM -0700, Jimbo Jim wrote: Sudo su, users-admin fixed it. How did i lose sudo in first place? ---end quoted text--- Could you explain a little better what fixed it? I run this command and I get; 'Unknown id: users-admin' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111021035407.ga7...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Bug#645723: The password
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 02:48:04PM -0700, Jimmy Li wrote: This dialog box happens for any application that asks for the root password (not gksudo). I don't know what caused it, so I can't do anything about it. I have a similar if not the same issue. Attempting to run Synaptic from the menu, it asks for the root password using 'su'. I haven't ever used 'su' on this system but 'sudo' as it not 'su' was installed via the installer. It works with sudo called from the a term though. Is this the same in your case? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111019040656.ga5...@thinkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Unofficial Debian Monthly Testing Snapshot Release (version 2011.06)
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 06:06:04PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I am pleased to announce the unofficial Debian monthly testing snapshot release for June 2011 (version 2011.06). This release is currently available in two flavors, i386 and amd64, as mini iso images (16 MiB each) downloadable from: http://alioth.debian.org/~gilbert-guest/snapshots/2011.06/debian-testing-snapshot-2011.06-i386-mini.iso sha512sum: f4839b92e8d090f7799f0e46b386c07522310d21a4fb05397586462d1024384e201a1f2ceb16e1adb8bc538231418b17bda1d846023326bb58d1cd7559af341f http://alioth.debian.org/~gilbert-guest/snapshots/2011.06/debian-testing-snapshot-2011.06-amd64-mini.iso sha512sum: c98ebd24550b8f64929967e1f5b09b56d746f7d1654b3a4978d67c58665203739a31922872a82730990d5423533e4a89a057321117a825daa317187f54addd61 ---end quoted text--- Thanks! Do these snapshots contain the proprietary binary drivers missing from Debian regular installation media? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110616234317.GA3975@sda-ThinkPad-X41
