Re: unattended-upgrades by default?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Steve McIntyre  writes:
> To solve the issue and provide security updates by default, I'm
> proposing that we should switch to installing unattended-upgrades by
> default (and enabling it too) *unless* something else in the
> installation is already expected to deal with security updates.

Sounds like a good idea. At the minimum the image should ask (how?) the
user if they want to enable automatic updates. I've seen many admins who
don't even know about the unattended-upgrades package so we should be
advertising it more.

On my virtual machines I usually configure automatic updates and
automatic reboot daily or weekly to ensure that I don't have any
run-time configuration that would be break after e.g. a power outage.

-Timo

Re: Copyright file granularity

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Steve Langasek  writes:
> shouldn't be an intensive manual process.  Unfortunately the only tool I'm
> aware of that does this is coupled to cdbs.

I wrote http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/git/git-copyright-scan.git/ to update
debian/copyright based on upstream git history. There's no documentation
and it's not packaged but at least it's not coupled to anything at the
moment :)

Re: Proposal: enable stateless persistant network interface names

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
 Btw, why the expletive is the only way to configure this the kernel
 command line and no configuration inside /etc where one would expect
 it?

Maybe because udev is started from initramfs before the root filesystem
has been mounted?


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Accepted magit 1.2.1-1 (source all)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:25:43 +
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Architecture: source all
Version: 1.2.1-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description:
 magit  - Emacs interface for Git
Closes: 720883 754019
Changes:
 magit (1.2.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release.
   * debian/watch: Use releases from Github and use HTTPS.
   * Add emacsen.compat file (emacsen policy 2.0.8).
   * Don't depend on dpkg, install-info (policy 3.9.5).
   * Depend on emacsen-common, not emacs (emacsen policy 2.0.8)
 (closes: #754019).
   * Bump standards-version to 3.9.5.
   * Use custom-set-faces instead of setq in example (closes: #720883).
   * Use canonical Vcs addresses to make lintian happy.
   * Drop bug-718861.patch since new upstream version contains it.
   * Depend on git instead of transitional git-core package.
   * Build-Depend on emacs instead of emacs23 since emacs23 is going
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Accepted systemtap 2.3-2 (source amd64 all)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 2.3-2
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Ritesh Raj Sarraf r...@debian.org
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
 systemtap  - instrumentation system for Linux
 systemtap-client - instrumentation system for Linux (client for compile server)
 systemtap-common - instrumentation system for Linux (common component)
 systemtap-doc - documentation and examples for SystemTap
 systemtap-runtime - instrumentation system for Linux (runtime component)
 systemtap-sdt-dev - statically defined probes development files
 systemtap-server - instrumentation system for Linux (compile server)
Closes: 724561 726087 726248 730019 735459
Changes: 
 systemtap (2.3-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Don't Suggest linux-* since that won't guarantee right version anyway
 (Closes: #724561, #735459).
   * Depend on python:any for cross-installability (Closes: #726087).
   * Bump required libelf-dev and libdw-dev version (Closes: #730019).
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Re: strace behavior under debian wheezy

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

GALAMBOS Daniel dan...@dancsa.hu writes:
 Are there any way to acquire the signal sender's PID?

stap -x $pid /usr/share/doc/systemtap-doc/examples/process/sigmon.stp SIGTERM

shows you the process that sends SIGTERM to the process whose PID is
$pid.


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Re: home directories on porter machines to be pruned automatically

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Luca Filipozzi lfili...@debian.org writes:
 A couple of weeks ago, we started automatically mailing users whose home
 directories were above a dynamic notification threshold.  This dynamic

I wouldn't mind getting an overview of my disk space usage even if I am
not over the threshold. Is that information available somewhere without
having to write a script that'd log to all machines (and reset your
last logged in statistics...)?

-Timo


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Re: jessie release goal: verbose build logs

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Stéphane Glondu glo...@debian.org writes:
 http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/structured-buildlogs/logs/hello-2.6-1_amd64.build

 How do you do that exactly?

Can't remember the exact details but you can get the script with

git clone http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/git/structured-buildlogs.git/


-Timo


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Accepted magit 1.2.0-2 (source all)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
 magit  - Emacs interface for Git
Closes: 718861
Changes: 
 magit (1.2.0-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
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 (Closes: #718861)
 - bug-718861.patch
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Accepted systemtap 2.3-1 (source amd64 all)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Version: 2.3-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Ritesh Raj Sarraf r...@debian.org
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
 systemtap  - instrumentation system for Linux
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 .
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Re: PulseAudio

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
 I am sorry, but in my eyes, people who claim that PulseAudio is useless
 simply don't realize that there can be sound setups which are a little
 more sophisticated than just a single sound card and configuring
 these can be PITA when you don't have PA.

Simply being able to switch between laptop headphones and speakers was a
really important feature for me when I switched to PA ages ago. That
might be possible with plain ALSA but at least I haven't managed to find
any UI for it.


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Re: Reporting 1.2K crashes

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Alexandre Rebert alexandre.reb...@gmail.com writes:
 wheeze packages. After contacting ow...@bugs.debian.org, Don Armstrong
 advised us to contact you before submitting ~1.2K bug reports to the
 Debian BTS using mainto...@bugs.debian.org (to avoid spamming
 debian-bugs-dist).

Interesting research, thanks a lot for your efforts! Spamming the BTS is
one thing but I'm also bit worried about the fact that many of these
bugs could be legitimate security bugs. Giving the maintainer/upstream
some time (1-2 weeks max) to assess the seriousness of the bug might be
nice so that they can prepare an urgent security upload to wheezy if it
is needed.

Would it be possible to initially publish all the bug reports on your
web site under some random URL and then mail that to the maintainer with
a clearly indicated date when they will be made public?


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Re: download of source packages alarmed clamav

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Harald Dunkel harald.dun...@aixigo.de writes:
 I doubt that sending a virus complies to the DFSG, so the question
 is whether these source packages have been compromised?

The test/ directory in pymilter_0.9.3.orig.tar.gz contains some sample
viruses on purpose. I can't comment on other source packages since you
didn't name them.


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Re: vision: easily move all my data and config to a new machine

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Thomas Koch tho...@koch.ro writes:
 I've started by building debian packages with equivs that have dependencies 
 to 
 all packages that I've installed by hand on my old machine.[1] This is not 
 comfortable.

https://github.com/devstructure/blueprint

might help you.


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Re: jessie release goal: verbose build logs

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Matthias Klose d...@debian.org writes:
 This doesn't really help when trying to diagnose things, and even for 
 successful
 builds it's valuable to have the complete build log, including the parts how 
 the
 upstream build system is called from the Debian packaging.

This is a useful goal. However, since fixing many different source
packages is a lot of work I recently explored some alternative
approaches. For example, with systemtap we can simply log all execve()
invocations complete with timing information and end up with fully
structured build logs.

Here's example output from the proof of concept from a few years ago:

http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/structured-buildlogs/logs/hello-2.6-1_amd64.build

Don't take me wrong, I don't intend to replace any of the existing
infrastructure, I'm simply exploring new ways to (ab)use systemtap :-)


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Re: security policy / root passwords

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Michael Banck mba...@debian.org writes:
 I think the best approach would be sudo and requesting the user for
 their own password - and probably be more informative about why the
 password is needed or what is being installed.

 By the way, this seems to be the case for my wheezy installation,
 however, I am running vanilla Gnome3, not Classic (and have been running
 wheezy all along sind late 2012).

Perhaps your user is in the sudo group? If yes then at least in squeeze
policykit will consider you to be admin:

$ cat /etc/polkit-1/localauthority.conf.d/51-debian-sudo.conf
[Configuration]
AdminIdentities=unix-group:sudo


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Re: security policy / root passwords

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Simon McVittie s...@debian.org writes:
 * ability to use system-modal prompting or a secure input path
   (partially done by PK under GNOME Shell, likely to get better
   under Wayland, not supported by sudo or su)

Not relevant to the current discussion but this got me curious: can the
input path really be secure under X11?


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Re: security policy / root passwords

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Daniel Pocock dan...@trendhosting.net writes:
 My feeling is that the user should be told go and run sudo or su in a
 terminal window you opened manually

I don't think terminal emulation is really a good solution here but your
idea does have some merits. Maybe you can make your own policykit agent
that asks for the password only if you first navigate to some menu where
you can approve pending policykit authentication requests? If it existed
it could be proposed as an alternative and maybe in time as the default?


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Re: Blacklists in BTS (stopping the trolls and bug machines)

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Ondřej Surý ond...@sury.org writes:
 affects bugno bug-improve

I'd put such pseudo packages to a separate namespace. Some package
might, while unlikely, be called bug-improve in the future.


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Accepted systemtap 2.2.1-1 (source amd64 all)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Ritesh Raj Sarraf r...@debian.org
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
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 systemtap-runtime - instrumentation system for Linux (runtime component)
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 .
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systemtap

Accepted systemtap 2.1-1 (source amd64 all)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Ritesh Raj Sarraf r...@debian.org
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Description: 
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Changes: 
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 .
   [ Lucas Nussbaum ]
   * Remove myself from Uploaders.
 .
   [ Timo Juhani Lindfors ]
   * Upload to unstable.
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Accepted magit 1.2.0-1 (source all)

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Maintainer: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
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Re: wheezy postmortem re rc bugfixing

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
 Also, we should be more agressive at getting down the number of RC bugs
 by automatically removing RC-buggy not-so-important packages.

This sounds like a good idea. If somebody is interested in the package
they can easily reintroduce it after they have fixed the bug.


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Re: Merging / and /usr

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Marc Haber mh+debian-de...@zugschlus.de writes:
 Isn't that the one that doesn't even have a shell history or tab
 completion?

At least in squeeze I have both. Try booting with e.g. break=top to see
yourself.


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Re: jessie release goals

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
 provided as a hook. You also might want to look at the
 policyrcd-script-zg2 package.

 Except for chroots that do not run the boot-time scripts, this mechanism
 is mostly useless. /etc/init.d/rc doesn't know about policy-rc.d and thus
 you can't use it to disable services that are installed on a real server.

 (Or I missed something and someone need to enlighten me.)

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584865

discusses a prototype that I internally use. It hooks to policy-rc.d to
prevent services from starting during package installation and to dpkg
post-invoke to detect new services and disable them before you reboot
for the next time.


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Re: 2013 sometimes still feels like 2003 or 1993 (Re: NEW processing during freezes

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes:
 Once we drop that and only give people the right to modify the
 software we distribute but no longer the possiblity to do so
 on their own, the Free we are so proud on gets mood.

Doesn't pbuilder make it easy enough for anyone to modify and build the
software on their own?


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Bug#706466: general: graphical applications launch in wrong session

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Kevin Yochum kevi...@comcast.net writes:
 1. Log in locally (gnome non-root login)
 2. Install latest Google Chrome, if not already installed
 3. Log in to the same system remotely with the same login (I use NetSarang
 XManager 4 from a Windows system)

The bug might also be in NetSarang XManager 4.

Please try one of the following:

1) some other application than chrome, for example chromium or xclock

2) ssh -Y from another GNU/Linux system instead of Netsarang XManager
   4.


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Re: alternative debian/rules

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes:
 Thorsten, you should have kept your custom debian/rules. If it
 prevented incompetent developers from NMUing the package, then all
 good for you and for Debian.

Was there perhaps some emoticon missing? Uncommon debian/rules setups
might be required in some cases but surely they should not be used to
intentionally make it harder for other developers to understand?


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Re: Physical page zeroing on allocation

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Viacheslav Fedorov nih...@frtk.ru writes:
 But let's say I trust my environment. Then why when I disable zeroing of
 the allocated pages, the applications crash in libc?

How did you disable it?


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Bug#704482: #704482 general: file copy over kde gui or cp to an usb devices (tried fat/ext3) is showen as finshed while it's still copying

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

package general
severity 704482 wishlist
tags 704482 -patch
reassign 704482 konqueror
thanks

For cp this is not a bug, you are supposed to umount the filesystem
before you remove the usb device. Nothing in man cp guarantees that
the file has been copied to the disk when the command exits.

For konqueror this is also not a critical bug, you are supposed to use
safely remove drive or equivalent before removing the usb
device. However, I think it would be nice to have a progress bar that
would show the actual data transfer. I'm thus changing this to a
wishlist bug against konqueror. Feel free to close if you don't think
this is realistic.

You marked the bug with patch but I don't see any patch, I assume this
was an error.


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Re: devotee (debian vote engine): predictable RNG allows recovery of secret monikers

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes:
 -  md5_hex($name $alias obfuscate\n), \n;
 +  hmac_sha256_hex($name, obfuscate), \n;
 
 part probably needs some further work. Should it be
 
 +  hmac_sha256_hex($name, $alias + obfuscate), \n;

 This is for the dummy sheet.  It only contains dummy data.  I see
 no reason to use part of the real key to generate the a dummy hmac.

Then why use hmac at all in the dummy sheet? Why not just print $name
there?


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Re: devotee (debian vote engine): predictable RNG allows recovery of secret monikers

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be writes:
 I just pushed a change for this issue to my git repo at:
 http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=users/kroeckx/devotee.git;a=summary

 I would be grateful if people can review that.

commit e7f81870d1f8b18e5dcc855e9a001fab95112c0f (Fix generation of
secret key for secret votes) looks otherwise ok but the

-  md5_hex($name $alias obfuscate\n), \n;
+  hmac_sha256_hex($name, obfuscate), \n;

part probably needs some further work. Should it be

+  hmac_sha256_hex($name, $alias + obfuscate), \n;

?



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Bug#704054: /etc/environment.d

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

adrelanos adrela...@riseup.net writes:
 Thanks, I can think of other solutions, it's just that I find this .d
 structure really clean, beautiful and simple to use.

I personally would rather prefer a library interface so that it is
possible to change the storage backend in the future.


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Re: history transparency

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Philip Ashmore cont...@philipashmore.com writes:
 Is there a web interface for that, or a script that can do this?

debsnap -a arch package version

is quite useful.


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Accepted systemtap 2.1-1~experimental1 (source amd64 all)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 2.1-1~experimental1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Ritesh Raj Sarraf r...@debian.org
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
 systemtap  - instrumentation system for Linux
 systemtap-client - instrumentation system for Linux (client for compile server)
 systemtap-common - instrumentation system for Linux (common component)
 systemtap-doc - documentation and examples for SystemTap
 systemtap-runtime - instrumentation system for Linux (runtime component)
 systemtap-sdt-dev - statically defined probes development files
 systemtap-server - instrumentation system for Linux (compile server)
Closes: 690404 700161 701365
Changes: 
 systemtap (2.1-1~experimental1) experimental; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release (Closes: #690404, #701365, #701365)
 (LP: #803549, #1130626, #1075772).
   * Drop patches that are part of the new upstream release:
 - manpage-syntax1.diff
 - spelling-fixes1.diff
 - spelling-fixes2.diff
 - manpage-paths1.diff
 - fix.CVE-2012-0875.diff
   * Add patches that fix various lintian warnings. These have all
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   * Add patch to partially fix #604453:
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   * Backport patch to support unreadable System.map on Ubuntu:
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   * Add patch to suggest reading README.Debian if anything
 fails. Usability testing shows that surprisingly few users
 will find it otherwise :-) This patch can not be forwarded
 upstream but it is very simple.
 - suggest-readme.debian.diff
   * Upload to experimental since wheezy is frozen.
   * Drop systemtap-grapher binary package as it has been
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 libgtkmm-2.4-dev, libboost-dev and libglademm-2.4-dev as well.
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   * Ship stap-prep to help users figure out what
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Bug#702264: #702264 general: My mouse is a 3-button wheel mouse but system only recognizes 2 buttons (no wheel)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Hi,

please provide some more information:

1) contents of the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log
2) output of the xev command when you click each button and try to
   scroll
3) output of the lsusb command

Also, you are reporting the bug against debian 6.0.7. It is very
unlikely that any bugs are going to be fixed in this stable release so
you probably should use a user support mailing list instead of
bugs.debian.org.


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Accepted triplane 1.0.8-1 (source amd64)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Games Team pkg-games-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
 triplane   - side-scrolling dogfighting game
Closes: 693036 693037 693038
Changes: 
 triplane (1.0.8-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release (Closes: #693037, #693038).
   * Fix icon name in .desktop file (Closes: #693036).
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Accepted magit 1.2.0-1~experimental1 (source all)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
 magit  - Emacs interface for Git
Closes: 695479
Changes: 
 magit (1.2.0-1~experimental1) experimental; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release (Closes: #695479).
   * Drop patch autogenerate-autoloads.diff.
   * Bump standards-version to 3.9.4, no changes needed.
   * Upload to experimental since wheezy is frozen.
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Re: WebRTC has landed

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au writes:
 JavaScript and give users of their package the ability to click'n'call
 other users within the web page.

Have you had time to study how the technology works? If both parties are
behind a HTTP proxy (for example at an airport or cafe with WIFI) I
think you need some third party server to relay the traffic? Are there
any existing implementations that do this with webrtc?


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Re: WebRTC has landed

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Daniel Pocock dan...@pocock.com.au writes:
 - WebSockets carries the SIP signaling (e.g. to register the user
 location, find the person you want to call).  WebSockets works through
 HTTP proxies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC does not mention SIP at all. I
assume SIP is just one way to use webrtc but it does not need to be
used?

 and make your devices talk to each other without any relay.  If one
 person is in an obscure location, the TURN server will act as a relay

Aha, it seems the resiprocate-turn-server package is new in
wheezy. Default configuration seems to listen on tcp port 3478. I guess
port 443 should be used to maximize the probability that proxies will
let websocket access it?

 a VPS somewhere, you can find a (Debian biased) guide on
 http://www.RTCquickstart.org

Looks helpful, thanks!


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Re: tool to create debian/copyright files paragraphs?

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John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de writes:
 Has anybody already written a tool to automatically create the files section
 of the debian/copyright file? The tool should try to keep the files list 
 short
 by using wildcards.

http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/git/git-copyright-scan.git/

Normal invocation:

$ git-copyright-scan
File: abi-compliance-checker.pl
  2009 Ryan Niebur
File: LICENSE
  2009 Ryan Niebur
File: debian/copyright
  2009 Paul Sladen
File: debian/control
  2009 Paul Sladen
File: debian/rules
  2009 Paul Sladen
File: debian/watch
  2009 Paul Sladen
File: debian/dirs
  2009 Paul Sladen
File: debian/changelog
  2009 Paul Sladen

It is ok that very new commits are missing:

$ git-copyright-scan --git-opt --before 2010-01-01

Ignore minor contributors:

$ git-copyright-scan --git-opt --before=2010-01-01 --min-lines 30 --min-commits 
5

After you create debian/copyright git-copyright-scan will only list
missing copyright holders so you can use it to verify that you have
listed everyone. Also, you can use wildcards and it will understand
those but does not generate wildcards itself.


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Re: Linux Future

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
 You might find this useful:
 http://np237.livejournal.com/33449.html

 I made this presentation in the hope to make such things easier to
 understand for the sysadmin.

I read that back then when you originally posted it and I still think
it's one of the most useful presentations on the topic :) More material
is needed of course. I personally often use systemtap to observe how the
system actually works under the hood:

http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/screencast/what-happens-when-you-mount-usb-stick1.ogv


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Re: Linux Future

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
 Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a
 service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite)

I was bit puzzled by this part too but I guess the author meant mostly
shell scripts here. If one uses e.g. python then dbus is often more
natural to use than popen()ing command line utilities.



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Re: unsafe use of gpg

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org writes:
 I recently looked at several packages using gpg to verify signatures

Thanks for your work! Please try to raise this upstream so that they can
provide proper interfaces.

Is

/usr/bin/gpgv --quiet --keyring /etc/myprogram/trusted.gpg file file.sig
chmod a+x file
./file

still a safe way to ensure that only code signed by a key in trusted.gpg
gets executed?  (Assuming of course that user can't modify the file
between the check and execution.)


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Re: unsafe use of gpg

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Peter Samuelson pe...@p12n.org writes:
 Note that this adds a keyring to the current list. If the intent
 is to use the specified keyring alone, use --keyring along with
 --no-default-keyring.

You probably read man gpg but gpgv is simpler:

gpgv: Invalid option --no-default-keyring


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Re: Mass bug filling about proprietary code of adobe in our type1 fonts

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Bastien ROUCARIES roucaries.bast...@gmail.com writes:
 I plan to fill a mass bug filling due to a  proprietary code of adobe
 in fonts hinting that is included in our fonts.

If you report them at this stage of the release cycle and there's no
easy solution I guess wheezy-ignore could be in order?


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Re: Do not CC me

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Vincent Danjean vincent.danj...@ens-lyon.org writes:
   Not always. My ISP (French Free/Proxad) seems to filter mail with
 the same Message-ID sent in a few period of time (a few minutes?)

Interesting, this could explain the oddities that I've seen too.


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Bug#693695: general: error while loading shared libraries on system upgrade

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

forcemerge 685243 693695
thanks

Victor Porton por...@narod.ru writes:
 /usr/lib/vlc/vlc-cache-gen: error while loading shared libraries:
 libvlccore.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
 directory

I did a google search with libvlccore.so.5: cannot open shared object
file you found this has already been reported:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=685243

Merging.

-Timo


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Re: Mandatory -dbg packages

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Philip Ashmore cont...@philipashmore.com writes:
 Debug packages also make back-traces more than useless, and

They also allow systemtap to probe userland binaries once
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691167 is fixed.


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Re: Bug#687103: ITP: maps -- OpenStreetMap client for the GNOME Desktop

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Wookey woo...@wookware.org writes:
 And navit and marble and foxtrotGPS and gpsdrive and viking and
 gpxviewer and memphis.

Hey you forgot monav :)


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Re: Stuff from /bin, /sbin, /lib depending on /usr/lib libraries

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
 If I need to have /usr mounted before init starts, then I'm more
 or less dead, and I'll have to get a recovery CD / USB.

Not completely. Just boot with break=premount and read /etc/lvm from the
initramfs shell. I've done this several times. The cool part is that you
can also start networking and netcat stuff to/from the machine that
needs to be recovered.


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Re: Bug#684726: ITP: check_v46 -- Icinga / Nagios plugin for dual stacked (IPv4 / IPv6) hosts

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net writes:
 Each package depends on exactly what it needs to work and recommends
 anything which adds e.g. additional features but doesn't cause
 non-graceful breakage if missing.

I guess that really depends on what non-graceful breakage means. I
personally assume that not installing recommended packages can mean that
for example the default configuration of the package does not work at
all and the user has to write their own configuration to make the
software work.


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Re: [OT] ifconfig(8)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Ivan Shmakov oneing...@gmail.com writes:
   Curiously enough, ifconfig(8) shows RX/TX byte counts, and,
   somehow, I didn't manage to get a similar output from iproute.
   Any pointers?  TIA.

$ ip -s link show lo
1: lo: LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
RX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped overrun mcast   
1686679058 6901861  0   0   0   0  
TX: bytes  packets  errors  dropped carrier collsns 
1686679058 6901861  0   0   0   0  



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Re: RFC: Why are so many debian packages outdated?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Jon Dowland j...@debian.org writes:
 I disagree.

Maybe my statement was overly general indeed. I certainly agree with

 There is work to be done to make Debian attract more contributors.


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Re: Debian stickers

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes:
 The biggest problem is that none of the arbitrary strings which get
 printed on the packaging, product specs or even on the hardware itself
 have any direct link to the actual chipsets used and it is the chipsets
 which determine support. Most manufacturers have no interest in
 providing this information as Debian compatibility is not seen as
 interesting.

smolt is a large automatically collected database of hardware that is in
actual use. I think they use dmi vendor and product name keys to group
the information. This is not perfect but at least it allows you to know
what possible chipsets have been sold under the name X so you won't be
surprised.


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Re: Recommends for metapackages

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Miles Bader mi...@gnu.org writes:
 issues with NM:  it doesn't seem to be tested with much in the way of
 non-standard setups

My personal feeling is that this happens because people who use
non-standard setups usually start by purging NM instead of trying to
spend weeks reading the source code to contribute to it.


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Re: RFC: Why are so many debian packages outdated?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com writes:
 NMUs should be made/allowed/encouraged? I know all packaging is made by
 volunteers at their spare time, but anyway. Debian is one of the best
 distributions, what about raising the bar a little higher?

The only way you can really improve the situation is to help with the
packages.


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Re: CD sizes again (and BoF reminder!)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes:
 Back in May I warned about CD sizes[1] for the Wheezy release,
 pointing out that CD#1 isn't big enough any more to provide usable
 Gnome or KDE installations.

Indeed. CD1 was really problematic in squeeze too:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/08/msg00172.html


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Accepted magit 1.1.1-3 (source all)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
 magit  - Emacs interface for Git
Closes: 679781
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  to main/m/magit/magit_1.1.1-3.dsc
magit_1.1.1-3_all.deb
  to main/m/magit/magit_1.1.1-3_all.deb


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Re: [RFC] Add upstream VCS info to control file

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Gregor Jasny gja...@googlemail.com writes:
 Does this sound reasonable?

Yes. Please also read the earlier thread

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/04/msg00356.html


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Re: gnome is completely f^Mmessed up

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Luke Cycon lcy...@gmail.com writes:
 I have the added issue that GNOME seems to (somehow) manage to spawn in
 excess of 100 Xserver when I try to log in.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650183


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Re: gnome is completely f^Mmessed up

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Florian Reitmeir flor...@reitmeir.org writes:
 Is this a joke? Are we going to release that in June/July/whenever?
 i use gnome too, and for me its working very stable, and gnome3 is way
 better than gnome2.

I installed wheezy to my old laptop a few months ago and was very happy
with gnome too. Maybe the breakage is recent or there's something
special in your installation.


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Re: Starting services automatically after install

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com writes:
 By default in Debian, when a service package is installed, such as
 openssh-server, or isc-dhcp-server, it starts the service. This seems
 counter-intuitive to me.

As you mentioned, this is a really old issue. I've documented my
personal solution at

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584865

It always prompts me to ask whether I want to start the service or not
when I install packages.



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Accepted magit 1.1.1-2 (source all)

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Urgency: low
Maintainer: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
 magit  - Emacs interface for Git
Closes: 671922
Changes: 
 magit (1.1.1-2) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Backport upstream commit c8cfaf37b7c142edc6714d86691b8720f2606328
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Re: Moving /tmp to tmpfs is fine

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Miles Bader mi...@gnu.org writes:
 bazillion packages in debian that blithely cache vast quantities of
 (often very uninteresting) data in random subdirs of $HOME... and then

Fortunately there is some movement towards the use of XDG_CACHE_DIR
(defaults to ~/.cache).


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Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

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Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes:
 No, you don't.  On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
 the floppy group. From  /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :

Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?

 You mean that they allow you to burn a CD but not write to a USB
 stick?

Yes, I understood this was the default. If you put users to floppy group
then remote users can read usb sticks of local users.


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Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Bjørn Mork bj...@mork.no writes:
 I fail to see how burning to a local user's CD is any better, but yes,
 if that is a consideration then they need some system to tie the rights
 to console access.  I believe ConsoleKit and the replacement
 systemd-loginctl attempts to solve such problems.

Yes, I believe usb-creator package in ubuntu does exactly this, it lets
local users create USB installation media. Unfortunately even that is by
default only allowed for admins.


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Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Jonathan Nieder jrnie...@gmail.com writes:
 speaking lets each user access media that they have inserted.  Last
 time I checked[1] (a while ago), the same rules did not apply to USB
 sticks.

Yes, this is the point I was trying to make in the first place :)


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Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Wookey woo...@wookware.org writes:
 And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
 have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
 put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images. 

You also need to have root access to some machine to create the USB
media. This means you can't create the installation media at most
university or library machines unlike with CDs.


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Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Ben Armstrong sy...@sanctuary.nslug.ns.ca writes:
 accomplish as the superuser.) What I wonder, though, is if it is
 universally true that ordinary users will always have write access to a
 USB key they've just inserted. Under what circumstances will they not?

At least in default debian and ubuntu systems they don't have such write
access.

ubuntu uses the usb-creator package to provide a dbus api that allows
normal users to create usb installation media. (It carefully checks that
you can not write to the internal hard disk).



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Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes:
 At this point, I'm skeptical that either of the first two are going to
 work acceptably with Wheezy. If that's the case, then we should warn
 people that they will need to use at least one of:

I agree. I tried installing debian gnome desktop from CD1 during last
debconf and ended up getting a system that does not have network manager
or support for suspend:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/08/msg00172.html

Since Debian is universal I can understand that we can't fit the desktop
to CD1 but I think we should clearly state that so that users are not
surprised by the crippled system they get after the installation is
finished.


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Re: devotee (debian vote engine): predictable RNG allows recovery of secret monikers

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi writes:
 votes in the final tally. If I knew the hashes sufficiently many (maybe
 20?) voters I probably could predict the initial state of the RNG and
 reverse this randomization step completely.

It seems that if you know the md5 hashes of only four people you can
already find a unique solution for the RNG seed and reverse the
randomization done for order of lines in tally.txt:

paste (grep ^V tally.txt) (perl -e'srand($SEED);@a=grep(/^ 
/,);while(@a){print(splice(@a,int(rand(scalar(@a))),1));}' voters.txt)

I'm not making $SEED public, I just want to point out a weakness in the
system.


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Re: thttpd

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Oleg lego12...@yandex.ru writes:
   What email i can use to send patch for thttpd to?
   And is it normal that i cann't see thttpd package in wheezy?

From http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/thttpd.html you can see that it has
been removed: RoQA; orphaned, RC-buggy, dead upstream, plenty of
alternatives exist


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Re: devotee (debian vote engine): predictable RNG allows recovery of secret monikers

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Raphael Geissert geiss...@debian.org writes:
 print hmac_sha1_hex($v, $m);

Yeah that sounds promising. Now we just need to fix the code that tries
to randomize the order of entries in the tally.


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devotee (debian vote engine): predictable RNG allows recovery of secret monikers

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Hello,

I think I found a bug in devotee (debian vote engine) that breaks the
secrecy elections.

Devotee can be used in either public or secret mode. Leadership
elections are done in the secret mode (constitution 5.2.5). In this mode
devotee gives each voter V a secret moniker M and publishes only the
hash

H = md5(V +   + M + \n)

in the tally sheet. The idea here is that each voter can verify that
their vote is listed in the tally sheet but nobody else should be able
to this (except for the secretary of course).

The secret moniker M is composed of two parts:

M = T + S

where T is derived from the time when the voter first tried to cast a
vote. This can be easily predicted since the cron job that processes the
votes is run at five minute intervals.

The S part is a 8-character random string that is generated using the
perl fragment


  my @chars = (0 .. 9, 'a' .. 'z', 'A' .. 'Z');
  $alias .=  join (, map {$chars[rand $#chars]} 1..8);

On Debian systems the rand() function of perl uses drand48() from eglibc
which implements a 48-bit LCG RNG. Calculating 2^48 md5 hashes can be
done in less than a day using GPUs [1] but this requires one to use
non-free drivers so I had to find a shortcut :-)

I noticed that devotee does not seed the RNG in any way but relies on
perl to do it automatically. According to perldoc -f rand perl will
seed the RNG when rand() is called for the first time. In Perl_seed() it
opens /dev/urandom, reads 4 bytes and later passes it to srand48:

#define seedDrand01(x)  srand48((Rand_seed_t)x)

So: we have a 48-bit RNG but it is seeded with only a 32-bit value!

By simulating the RNG on all possible seeds I was able to find secret
monikers that match the hashes in the tally sheet. Since Wouter already
made his vote public [2] I'll use his hash to prove that I know the
secret moniker (V = wouter, T = 1589704, S = WMvwdDdr, RNG seed =
0xc580689f):

$ echo wouter 1589704WMvwdDdr | md5sum
597c362e6156ec7e37b334837161da26  -

$ wget -qO - http://www.debian.org/vote/2012/vote_001_tally.txt \
 | grep 597c362e6156ec7e37b334837161da26
V: 1223 597c362e6156ec7e37b334837161da26


$ perl -e 'my @chars=(0..9, 'a'..'z', 'A'..'Z');\
 srand(0xc580689f);\
 print(join(,map{ $chars[rand $#chars] } 1..8).\n);'
WMvwdDdr


-Timo

[1] http://whitepixel.zorinaq.com/
[2] http://grep.be/blog/en/life/debian/dpl_2012


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Re: devotee (debian vote engine): predictable RNG allows recovery of secret monikers

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes:
 Note that 8 random alphanumeric characters can have at most ~47.6 bits
 of entropy. So just improving RNG wouldn't help here.

True. We need to both fix the RNG and use a longer moniker.

Also, I just noticed that rand() is also used to randomize the order of
votes in the final tally. If I knew the hashes sufficiently many (maybe
20?) voters I probably could predict the initial state of the RNG and
reverse this randomization step completely.


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Re: On init in Debian

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes:
 the particular script that poses problem. With a deamon like systemd,
 it's rather all-or-nothing.

This gives me the impression that systemd would be a single monolithic
binary but isn't vconsole-setup.c that you mention actually part of a
small helper binary at /lib/systemd/systemd-vconsole-setup?

I've only studied systemd for a few weeks but can't you for example
replace the line

ExecStart=/lib/systemd/systemd-vconsole-setup

in /lib/systemd/system/systemd-vconsole-setup.service with something
like

ExecStart=strace -o /var/tmp/systemd-vconsole-setup 
/lib/systemd/systemd-vconsole-setup

to get at least some debugging data? And if you suspect that an upgrade
broke something you probably can get an older version of this binary
with debsnap and then

systemctl restart systemd-vconsole-setup.service

to test it.


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Re: On init in Debian

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Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com writes:
 How on earth would anybody be able to make a decision if there are no
 comparisons between the alternatives available?

I personally decided to install systemd to one of my machines to learn
how it works. I'd recommend this to anyone in this thread that has never
used systemd.


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Re: On init in Debian

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org writes:
 taked with a friend working for redhat, and he told me how much
 he hates it. He told me that if *anything* goes wrong in the boot
 process, then basically, you're stuck, because the next thing will

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Systemd_problems

seems to cover this quite extensively.


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Accepted systemtap 1.7-1 (source all amd64)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:23:00 +0200
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Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 1.7-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Ritesh Raj Sarraf r...@debian.org
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
 systemtap  - instrumentation system for Linux
 systemtap-client - instrumentation system for Linux (client for compile server)
 systemtap-common - instrumentation system for Linux (common component)
 systemtap-doc - documentation and examples for SystemTap
 systemtap-grapher - instrumentation system for Linux (grapher)
 systemtap-runtime - instrumentation system for Linux (runtime component)
 systemtap-sdt-dev - statically defined probes development files
 systemtap-server - instrumentation system for Linux (compile server)
Closes: 660886 660929
Changes: 
 systemtap (1.7-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * Explicitly list supported architectures of systemtap-sdt-dev.
   * Bump Standards-Version to 3.9.3, no changes were needed
   * Apply upstream fix for CVE-2012-0875 (Closes: #660886, #660929)
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  to main/s/systemtap/systemtap

Re: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Reinhard Tartler siret...@gmail.com writes:
 the libdvdread maintainer removed that really handy script.

Not really related but it did have a security issue:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=554772


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Re: A few questions from a new DD

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olivier sallou olivier.sal...@gmail.com writes:
 1) How can I send email using my @debian.org as origin ?

That depends on the software you use. In gnus I have

(setq user-mail-address timo.lindf...@iki.fi)

In evolution you'd select

Edit-Preferences-Mail Accounts-New

and just fill the Email address field.

 2) I cannot login to debian servers (tried people.debian.org), I have a
 permission denied. My SSH key is not yet set, so I cannot login using it. I
 expected to be prompted for password, but it doesn't. Are debian servers
 SSH key based only?

Afaik only SSH keys are allowed.


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Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

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Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
 Or, as has been said countless times otherwise: kFreeBSD should not
 hinder the improvement of the Linux ports.

I agree. I also vaguely recall that we this was the consensus that we
reached at the kfreebsd BoF Debconf.


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Re: Enabling package installation for non-root users

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Sebastian Heinlein de...@glatzor.de writes:
 APTDAEMON::Restrict::Users { joe, jane; };
 APTDAEMON::Restrict::Tags::Allow { interface::shell; };
 APTDAEMON::Restrict::Tags::Deny { interface::daemon; };

 Would this be of any help to you?

Sounds like a great start.


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Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

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Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com writes:
 policy? While at the time supporting non-linux systems (like kFreeBSD
 and Hurd, and others to come)

I understood that Hurd does not use sysvinit either. Is that still the
case?


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Re: Enabling package installation for non-root users

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Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
 (We even have a patch to allow only a subset of packages but it is
 unfortunately a bit too hackish.)

Would be really nice to have some standard sets available (think
browser extensions, command-line tools that ship no services or suid
binaries). I'd certainly let my desktop users install these without
having to ask me or having to install them manually to their $HOME..


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Re: upstart: please update to latest upstream version

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Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au writes:
 Is there any way of capturing the old text output from /dev/console at a 
 later 
 stage in the boot?

I personally use

http://iki.fi/lindi/git/vtgrab-initramfs.git/

which starts rvcd (remote virtual console daemon) in the beginning of
initramfs and lets me monitor and interact with the whole boot process
over network.


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Accepted systemtap 1.7-1~experimental1 (source all amd64)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:27:20 +0200
Source: systemtap
Binary: systemtap systemtap-common systemtap-runtime systemtap-doc 
systemtap-server systemtap-client systemtap-sdt-dev systemtap-grapher
Architecture: source amd64 all
Version: 1.7-1~experimental1
Distribution: experimental
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Ritesh Raj Sarraf r...@debian.org
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
 systemtap  - instrumentation system for Linux
 systemtap-client - instrumentation system for Linux (client for compile server)
 systemtap-common - instrumentation system for Linux (common component)
 systemtap-doc - documentation and examples for SystemTap
 systemtap-grapher - instrumentation system for Linux (grapher)
 systemtap-runtime - instrumentation system for Linux (runtime component)
 systemtap-sdt-dev - statically defined probes development files
 systemtap-server - instrumentation system for Linux (compile server)
Closes: 645797 655882 656383 656477
Changes: 
 systemtap (1.7-1~experimental1) experimental; urgency=low
 .
   [ Ritesh Raj Sarraf ]
   * Add Timo Juhani Lindfors to Uploaders.
 .
   [ Timo Juhani Lindfors ]
   * New Upstream Release.
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   * Add armhf to the architecture list (Closes: #645797)
   * Enable hardened build flags (Closes: #655882)
   * Set architecture of systemtap-sdt-dev to linux-any to avoid confusion
 on kfreebsd (Closes: #656383, #656477)
   * Add stapsys group which behaves like stapdev but does not permit
 the use of guru mode.
   * Remove references to Linux 2.6 from package description and suggests
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Accepted magit 1.1.1-1 (source all)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Maintainer: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
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Changes: 
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 .
   [ Timo Juhani Lindfors]
   * New upstream release.
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   [ Rémi Vanicat ]
   * Install contrib .el files
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Accepted magit 1.1.0-1 (source all)

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Maintainer: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
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 .
   * New upstream release.
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Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au writes:
 Do we have Debian running on phones with a configuration such that the root 
 filesystem is small but /usr can be bigger?

My openmoko has just

$ df -h
Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
rootfs  3.8G  3.0G  626M  83% /
tmpfs   5.0M 0  5.0M   0% /lib/init/rw
tmpfs13M  224K   13M   2% /run
tmpfs25M   24K   25M   1% /tmp
udev 62M 0   62M   0% /dev
tmpfs25M  4.0K   25M   1% /run/shm
tmpfs13M  224K   13M   2% /var/lock
tmpfs13M  224K   13M   2% /var/run


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Bug#651575: general: usb drive (automount) has wrong permissions, regular user cannot read/write to device/folder

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

kenneth.h kenne...@airpost.net writes:
 It appears from web searching that this may have to do with udev rules.
 Usually, automounting allows user access but I am not able to read/write w/out
 having to manually changing permissions.

1) What are the permissions?

2) How are you automounting? The usual udisks way as seen in

http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/screencast/what-happens-when-you-mount-usb-stick1.ogv

?

3) What partition layout and filesystems are on the drive?

4) What desktop display manager and environment are you using?






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Re: from / to /usr/: a summary

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Wookey woo...@wookware.org writes:
 this is not waste time with an intramfs that will soon be superceded
 with a pivot-root.

Not really related to the main issue but do note that pivot_root syscall
has not been used for quite some time. run-init basically just uses
unlink, mount, chroot and execve.

 Most arm bootloaders _can_ load an initramfs, or at least can load a

All of the two arm boot loaders that are in debian at least can :-)


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Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Kai Wasserbäch cu...@debian.org writes:
 installations with CPUs with an instruction set  586 are still in use? Does
 popcon collect such information?

popcon does not but smolt does. Unfortunately smotl ITP is still
stuck. Meanwhile you can look at the data it has collected from opensuse
and fedora users:

echo 'select count(*) as c, cpu_model from host group by cpu_model order by c;' 
| mysql -h localhost -u smoon -p --password=smoon -D smoon  
p/smolt/cpu_model_count.txt
= http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/smolt/cpu_model_count.txt

Full database dump is at

http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/smolt/smolt-2011-08-28.dmp.gz

if you want to make your own queries.

-Timo


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Re: Increasing minimum 'i386' processor

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Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes:
 5. AMD/NSC Geode GX1, Geode SC1100, Elan SC4xx and SC5xx

Does this mean that AMD Geode LX as mentioned in
http://pcengines.ch/alix.htm still works?

damager:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : AuthenticAMD
cpu family  : 5
model   : 10
model name  : Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS
stepping: 2
cpu MHz : 498.026
cache size  : 128 KB
fdiv_bug: no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu de pse tsc msr cx8 sep pge cmov clflush mmx mmxext 
3dnowext 3dnow up
bogomips: 996.05
clflush size: 32
cache_alignment : 32
address sizes   : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
power management:


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Re: /tmp as tmpfs and consequence for imaging software

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Lars Wirzenius l...@liw.fi writes:
 and b) all software must deal with out-of-disk-space errors in a 
 sensible way (where the exact details may depend on the software).

That does not seem to be so easy:

http://www.gnu.org/ghm/2011/paris/slides/jim-meyering-goodbye-world.pdf


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Accepted qi 20111113-1 (source armel)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:18:51 +0200
Source: qi
Binary: qi
Architecture: source armel
Version: 2013-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
 qi - lightweight bootloader for OpenMoko Freerunner
Changes: 
 qi (2013-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release
  - Add support for two boot options even when there is only one
partition
  - Add support for initrd (/boot/initrd-GTA02.bin)
  - Change NAND kernel boot parameters to use rootfstype=ubifs
instead of jffs2. It is now possible to dualboot SHR and Debian.
Tested with

http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-core/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.39-r6-oe13-om-gta02-20111031080338.bin

http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-core/images/om-gta02/shr-full-2009-om-gta02.rootfs.ubi
   * Remove upstreamed patch fix-build-with-gcc-4.6.diff
   * Document how qi can be installed using old versions of mtd-utils
   * Write a man page
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Accepted omhacks 0.16-1 (source amd64)

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

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Version: 0.16-1
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Enrico Zini enr...@debian.org
Changed-By: Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi
Description: 
 libomhacks-dev - library of useful functions to control OpenMoko hardware
 libomhacks0 - library of useful functions to control OpenMoko hardware
 omhacks- command line interface to OpenMoko hardware
Changes: 
 omhacks (0.16-1) unstable; urgency=low
 .
   * New upstream release
  - Fix om wifi power for 2.6.39 (by adding rfkill support)
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  to main/o/omhacks/libomhacks0_0.16-1_amd64.deb
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omhacks_0.16-1.dsc
  to main/o/omhacks/omhacks_0.16-1.dsc
omhacks_0.16-1_amd64.deb
  to main/o/omhacks/omhacks_0.16-1_amd64.deb
omhacks_0.16.orig.tar.gz
  to main/o/omhacks/omhacks_0.16.orig.tar.gz


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Re: udev: what does it used for in Debian?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Ivan Shmakov i...@gray.siamics.net writes:
   And what the initramfs-tools package has to do with consistent
   devices' filenames?

Initramfs runs udev. This allows you to use e.g.

root=/dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD3200AAJS-65B4A0_WD-WMAT13954017-part1

instead of

root=/dev/sda1

to specify where your root filesystem is.


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Re: RFC: usb-modeswitch 1.2.0 release embedding jimtcl

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Didier Raboud o...@debian.org writes:
 Let's also note as context that the goal of this trick (AFAIUI) is to avoid 
 having a tcl interpreter pulled up to first CDs;

The modemmanager package that people typically use with USB 3G modems is
already in CD#5.


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