probably tell IWJ this conversation is
occuring as he's taken a bit intererest in it, but no longer reads
debian-devel). Does than not solve a good chunk of this 'make it easy
to fix other packages using your standard tools' desire?
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I would be happy to talk about rules that might help solving problems
> (as well as droping rules that are creating barriers).
Me too. Please let us improve the culture around NMUs, collaboration and fixes
without making people (OK, duffers like me) change all their tooling.
I am all for more Matrix over IRC though - that's a genuine
improvement (and they are easy to bridge).
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man pages and blogs. I just realised that I didn't understand how it
worked or what the tradeoffs were, so couldn't really make sensible
decisions about what I should do. I suspect I'm not the only one who
is quite vague about all this.
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nd of curl are not building on armel/armhf.
We are well aware that this is broken and blocking lots of
things. Co-ordinate efforts on the #debian-arm channel.
There are plenty of other loops to unbung too.
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are following fuse development more closely and thus have already got
'wrong' binaries.
A soname bump is probably your best bet, but if no-one even noticed
this for a year then maybe it's not that bad and just reverting will
suffice? (And send everyone on a crash course about ABIs and
be time for another go to see if we can get some traction.
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support anything like as many
architectures.
If it only done for security issues, rather than routinely, then that
shouldn't be that much extra load (does anyone have any idea how much
extra building we are talking about? Is it trivial, or huge?)
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On 2023-11-24 18:58 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> Unfortunately, eller is down
Eller had to move hosting provider at short notice. It is now racked
again but needs network configuration for new location. It will
hopefully re-appear by end-Monday.
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thought it worth pointing out that that's not correct). Info for
your average maintainer needs to go one step back and say "use stringA
in this circumstance and stringB in this circumstance. . The reason why it matters is: stuff about hyphen
and minus being different and minus being used in
cess). And this only works for well-maintained packages that
actually update Debian.NEWS, not barely-maintained/unmaintained
packages. I guess you might get the info from the replacing, as
opposed to replaced package, but as with printing it's often a whole
set of stuff and it's not clear where a
o think it should clean enough to
make correct sources too in general).
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oes exist. It's broken far too often and it affects actual
developers using debian tools. It's supposed to work.
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ly maintenance load comes if/when upstream move things around.
I have never tried Helmut's suggestion of removing this stuff in the
clean target. It does seem to me that removing it from the tarball
makes a lot more sense than cleaning it later.
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be a new git-only dpkg format of some sort with a
new set of expectations. But that's quite a big piece of work.
Just to be clear I don't want any of that. I want the existing tooling
and packaging to work the way policy says it should, at least until it
is agreed that policy has to change.
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g stops us from
having both variants in the archive if we want them enough.
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of issues and options. It is much appreciated.
I agree with the two consensus proposals Helmut put in the email at
the top of this thread (that DEP17 is a good representation of the
issues and that putting the files in the canonical locations is the
long-term endpoint of this transition).
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> > mind before applying it?
>
> Note that I'm not the one driving this change (I'll start a separate
> thread for -fstack-clash-protection in the next days), but the original
> request was from Wookey.
> Personally I think now at the beginning of the new development cycl
switch along with other 32-bit ABIs'.
Switching or not (so long as the fairly small subset of the distro we
use keeps working) would not affect our usage of the device, for example.
So if we could try and consider these questions separately, that would be
helpful.
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rything though. A rebuild check of affected libraries to see how
much work this adds would be a good idea.
I'll add this info the the wiki and do some tests.
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actually run the fancy
scriptage/setup needed then everything can be in one box, but not this
year).
Removing the installer to stop supporting _new_ installs is probably
fair enough but I don't think we can yet say there are no reasonable
use cases for old i386 hardware.
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https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/64bit-time#Known_Issues
Similarly, if anyone else knows of actual or potential issues, that
page would be a great place to document them, or add tests we can run
to check things are still working as expected.
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chain is not broken. We can either do that for all packages in an
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it for all is safer.
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ded our buildds. Such a thing
may be more tractable these days in terms of available build resources
on most arches, but it's still a very big deal, and this change
certainly doesn't warrant it.
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On 2022-10-25 16:10 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 at 15:34:26 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > These are hardware features (new instructions) that 'tag' pointers and
> > branch targets to make it much harder for malicious code to implement
> > ROP (return oriented
-buildflags it can easily be disabled for a particular
package and there is a kernel option to turn it off on a particular
machine if issues are encountered (and no doubt we will find a couple).
I hope that all makes sense.
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> a per-architecture symlinks in arch-specific packages.
I would like to understand how the cross stuff works with this
personalities thing, but it may be a while before I get round to
it. Again I shall assume that you know what you are doing :-)
If Helmut is happy then I'm sure it's good.
s very unhelpful (and not at all necessary) characteristic. I
did consider doing the work needed to fix this but didn't have the
bandwidth/enthusiasm at the time. Maybe someone has fixed this in the
nearly a decade since I looked in to it and the point is moot? But I
doubt it.
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core arch activities and my
personal packages). I'm not sure how much of my current test hardware
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I am a DD (since 2000)
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ne else (unless you want to still do it
yourself) is nice.
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ut not not very useful for trivial ones.
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th in debian
has been /var/www/html/ for decades so I'd use that, but you might
have reasons to make it /var/www/shiny-server instead if you want
shiny-server to be co-installable with other web-servers, and serve different
stuff?
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ackage'?
I thought the whole point of debian native packages was that there was
no 'upstream' and it was only for debian so you _are_ in control of
the source, the versioning and the releases? As soon as that stops
being true then should one not shift to making it a standard
'upstream+debian revi
Linux-drops-Windows-Red-Hat-into-airlock
Or at least was in 2013/4.
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the rest of the software ecosystem seems
to accelerate around us (not entirely a good thing, of course). Who
needs quality when you can have updates, eh?
The combination of binary uploads for NEW and source-only uploads for
the archive proper also seems a tad clunky.
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e have pointed out
complete rewrites are not really NMU material and we should follow the
salvage process.
Well done for getting those boring old packages into better shape (again).
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erly know what they are) to my collection of responsibilities, but
I can spend work time on helping get this going so I don't mind
mucking in on some packaging work.
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if you don't already know, it tells you nothing more than 'this
program does analysis of data', which is a little too general.
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> let it stay there until wxWidgets 3.2 is out?
Yes. This is what I'd do for the time being. That way you are not
committed to this path where you might end up maintaining (or not
maintaining, just hoping for the best on!) an unstable wxwidgets
version for several years.
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On 2021-09-20 04:48 +, Clint Adams wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 05:32:04PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > I must admit that I have no idea why replacing such a longstanding
> > utility is deemed necessary.
>
> Maybe this riddle will help.
>
> Imagine that
recommended.
Have a plain which back is much easier than fixing the build mess.
I must admit that I have no idea why replacing such a longstanding
utility is deemed necessary.
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hat build, then upload B and (once
built OK) upload a full A.
Sometimes people use 'foo-bootstrap' package names so that the
minimal and full versions of a package can be distinguished.
HTH
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On 2021-08-11 14:08 +0200, Hans wrote:
> And best: It is all GPL licensed,
It's all free software, but many licences are used, not just the GPL.
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-notes-plugin to use it?
Assuming that's not too difficult I don't mind doing some work to get
it back in a ship-able state.
Or it there something else that is still around that does the same job
as the notes plugin? It's quite unusual in the way it works.
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version is a
significant feature for a platform like theirs, and it wouldn't be
hard to keep the old URLs working for a couple of years to allow a
smooth switch to a specified long-term interface.
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> Wookey,
>
> > Description : Enhanced Qfuture (Qt) interface
> >
> > AsyncFuture is designed to enhance the QFuture function, removing..
>
> Maybe this should be prefixed with qt- since i
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mergency x86 box has been stuffed in until I work out what's wrong
with it/replace it.
> * Are you testing/patching d-i for the port(s)?
Yes. Added multiple console support for last release.
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they are in the bug report. Cheers.
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an impressive
level of enthusiasm is collected and applied.
I have just set up a small server yesterday in order to experiment with this
stuff (setting up matrix-synapse initially, but jangouts and BBB are also of
interest, although neither are packaged).
So yes, knock something up and
stigation and work is needed to progress
that. One outcome of the meeting was to reject all the pending
packages as new uploads will be needed whatever path is eventually
chosen.
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On 2020-08-19 07:47 +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
>
>
> Please, pretty please, make `debcheckout ` possible
'dgit checkout ' is possible.
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n say 4 weeks. If NEW takes longer than that,
then upload the new-version-with-bundle at that point.
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On 2020-05-20 13:42 +0200, Gard Spreemann wrote:
>
> Wookey writes:
> Is there any community consensus on putting the bundling in place
> temporarily while the separate package is held up in NEW? Being the
> maintainer of both, I would be able to quickly react to the separate
&
. A headers-only library is relatively quick and easy to do.
> I
> would track the bundling as a bug and act on it when/if a separate
> package enters Debian.
Would you necessarily notice when another package using this
dependency enters the archive?
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Debian is one place that has a reasonably competent userbase - I
remain unconvinced that we need to change things.
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upstream, although of course not many people read docs so
that won't work as well as one might like.
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argument that we shouldn't try at all in this case.
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a thought (I'm _really_ not trying to start a vi/emacs argument,
but perhaps it is inevitable). If you've never heard of it, I suggest
you give it a try. v. handy.
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es of course take more time and work then
just stuffing yet another embedded 3rd party library into the source.
Ideally upstreams would be doing this work, but many leave it to
distros to tidy up their mess (and incorporate their laziness into
build systems which just adds more bodging to undo).
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from the POV of someone who has primarily
'patches, quilt and tarballs' workflows, but can use git if
necessary.
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new thing. Nor firewalld - perhaps it
would do what I want?
For those too young to know, ipmasq basically does(did - removed in
2009!) what the script on this page does for you:
https://debian-administration.org/article/23/Setting_up_a_simple_Debian_gateway
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Most of the rest of what said sounded fairly sensible to me too,
although I'm not familiar with all the details (and have never noticed a
need for a dark theme). Nicer defaults for screenspace and fonts
definitely sounds like a good idea. You probably need to persuade the
main
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ncreasingly common in my
experience), it's smart to use 0~$date so you can look smug and switch
to (newer) versions if/when they adopt them without needed an epoch.
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nd making the
deb nearly twice as big (540K vs 300K). This does seem pretty
ridiculous.
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horizon-eda - EDA
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python3-djangorestframework-extensions - custom extensions for Django REST
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* Package name: plotsauce
Version : 0.1
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* URL : https://github.com/vpicaver/plotsauce
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