Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-23 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 07:12:57AM +, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2009-07-19, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Do we have evidence that maintainers have damaged the project in the past by willingfully upload packages with overriden lintian errors? Damaged the project... no. Caused a

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-23 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-07-23, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 07:12:57AM +, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2009-07-19, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Do we have evidence that maintainers have damaged the project in the past by willingfully upload packages with

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-20 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 07:15:56PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: There are a great many Debian changelog messages along the lines of “made change foo to keep Lintian happy” as though that were the only readon why such a change would be beneficial. Apart from being bloody useless, that kind of

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-19 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-07-19, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Do we have evidence that maintainers have damaged the project in the past by willingfully upload packages with overriden lintian errors? Damaged the project... no. Caused a RC bug to be overlooked... yes. I recently encountered a package

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: Damaged the project... no.  Caused a RC bug to be overlooked... yes. I recently encountered a package where the library's binary package was not named after the SONAME.  This caused a lintian error which was... overridden.  And it broke

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-19 Thread Julien BLACHE
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Hi, Do we have evidence that maintainers have damaged the project in the past by willingfully upload packages with overriden lintian errors? We sure have a few people that would blindly add overrides rather than fixing the actual cause of the lintian

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-19 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 09:08:50AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: And today, the NEW queue managed by four persons dedicating 5-10 hours per week to the Debian archive contains 265 packages, some of them waiting for one month or more. I disagree with their decision to self-appoint themselves

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-19 Thread Ben Finney
Julien BLACHE jbla...@debian.org writes: We sure have a few people that would blindly add overrides rather than fixing the actual cause of the lintian warning/error. No doubt about that. This might be a symptom of the wider problem, that people see Lintian not as a series of warning lights

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, Jul 19 2009, Ben Finney wrote: There are a great many Debian changelog messages along the lines of “made change foo to keep Lintian happy” as though that were the only readon why such a change would be beneficial. Apart from being bloody useless, that kind of changelog message

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-19 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:44:00AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : While I can understand your frustration, your argument looks flawed to me. The measure of refusing _automatically_ uploads being affected by (certain) lintian errors can not be classified as a new duty, precisely because

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-18 Thread Julien BLACHE
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Hi, Automatic rejection of packages with errors not justified by overrides is of And what do you do with unjustified overrides? Or can I just override every lintian test and upload my totally broken package? JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-18 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11815 March 1977, Julien BLACHE wrote: Automatic rejection of packages with errors not justified by overrides is of And what do you do with unjustified overrides? Or can I just override every lintian test and upload my totally broken package? The way we currently think about it there will

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-18 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 09:55:30AM +0200, Julien BLACHE a écrit : Or can I just override every lintian test and upload my totally broken package? Sure you can, yet you never did. Why? Do we have evidence that maintainers have damaged the project in the past by willingfully upload packages

Re: The wider implications of stuffing the NEW queue with issues it was not designed for.

2009-07-17 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:44:54AM +0200, Luk Claes a écrit : AFAIK the FTP Team is working on a system to prevent uploads which have lintian errors. The whole category of lintian errors has already been assessed and possible overrides are planned to arrive in the NEW queue at least