Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:30:40PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote:
 On Thu, 15 May 2008, Norbert Preining wrote:
 
  On Do, 15 Mai 2008, Mike Hommey wrote:
   I beg to differ. This particular mail is important enough to be sent to
   d-d-a instead of d-i-a.
  
  I agree, dia is not what I would be subscribed to under normal
  circumstances, and with all the caos that type of announce is for dda.
 
 Which is why the initial mail about the issue went to both.  If you read
 the first mail you will know where to find the rest.  If you can't be
 bothered to read carefully when asked to (and lots can't) then I cannot
 help you.

Asking to (temporarily) subscribe to another list to get the one important
mail everyone cares about is not the proper way to do things IMHO.

Mike


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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-16 Thread Norbert Preining
On Do, 15 Mai 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote:
   I beg to differ. This particular mail is important enough to be sent to
   d-d-a instead of d-i-a.
  
  I agree, dia is not what I would be subscribed to under normal
  circumstances, and with all the caos that type of announce is for dda.
 
 Which is why the initial mail about the issue went to both.  If you read
 the first mail you will know where to find the rest.  If you can't be
 bothered to read carefully when asked to (and lots can't) then I cannot
 help you.

Come on, should I now subscribe to dia only for one (1!!) email (or
maybe 2) which are of general interest??

I did read the email, I saw the remark, and assumed that that was an
oversight ... my failure.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-16 Thread Ove Kaaven

Peter Palfrader skrev:

On Thu, 15 May 2008, Norbert Preining wrote:


On Do, 15 Mai 2008, Mike Hommey wrote:

I beg to differ. This particular mail is important enough to be sent to
d-d-a instead of d-i-a.

I agree, dia is not what I would be subscribed to under normal
circumstances, and with all the caos that type of announce is for dda.


Which is why the initial mail about the issue went to both.  If you read
the first mail you will know where to find the rest.  If you can't be
bothered to read carefully when asked to (and lots can't) then I cannot
help you.


Yes you can, by resending these mails of general interest to d-d-a.

DDs are required to subscribe to d-d-a and read it to keep informed. I 
don't recall a requirement to subscribe to d-i-a, the Developer's 
Reference doesn't even mention it. If you want all DDs to be aware of 
something, send stuff to d-d-a. (I did read that the initial mail said 
to look to d-i-a, but in that case, I'd rather miss your posts there, 
and get the information from IRC or something instead, than actually 
subscribing to yet another ML I don't really feel I need to add to my 
already way too many mailfolders.)


Or, I suppose, you could send an URL to d-i-a's archived post to d-d-a, 
that might be enough for those who don't have that much interest in 
d-i-a (including me). (But then again, if you do that, you could as well 
include the whole post...)


Perhaps someone should do that for everyone's benefit? Maybe even me, a 
relatively peripheral DD?



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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-16 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 08:41:25AM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote:
 On Do, 15 Mai 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote:
I beg to differ. This particular mail is important enough to be sent to
d-d-a instead of d-i-a.
   
   I agree, dia is not what I would be subscribed to under normal
   circumstances, and with all the caos that type of announce is for dda.
  
  Which is why the initial mail about the issue went to both.  If you read
  the first mail you will know where to find the rest.  If you can't be
  bothered to read carefully when asked to (and lots can't) then I cannot
  help you.
 
 Come on, should I now subscribe to dia only for one (1!!) email (or
 maybe 2) which are of general interest??
 
No.  If you are expecting something on the list but do not want to
subscribe, the list archives are always available:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-15 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi,

Considering recent issues,  http://db.debian.org/password.html requires
updated as s/id_dsa.pub/id_rsa.pub/.

Discussion as below.  Do I need to make rt thingy?  I am not yet
familiar with it.

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 07:50:29PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
 Osamu Aoki wrote:
  Hi,
  
  Recent openssl issue lead me to http://db.debian.org/password.html and
  made me wonder why script example uses DSA key while main text only
  talks about RSA key.
 
 The text talks about RSA keys as they are preferred over DSA keys.
 
  | Alternatively, you can do without a password and use PGP to manipulate 
  your
  | LDAP information through the mail gateway and use SSH RSA Authentication 
  to
  | access the servers. To setup OpenSSH for RSA you need to first generate a
  | private RSA key using ssh-keygen and select a good passphrase for it. 
  Then send
  | the public portion of the key to the LDAP directory:
  | 
  | gpg --clearsign  ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  | 
  | NB: Only version 2 RSA keys are accepted. Version 1 RSA keys (i.e. 
  identity.pub
  | files) will not work.
  
  
  If main text is s/RSA/RSA\/DSA/g , I understand script example but ...
  
  Is there any reason to use DSA key insted of RSA key(~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub) ?
 
 On the contrary, it's better to use RSA keys as they can be bigger and
 are faster.

Ok,  

With today's announcement on Alioth and SSH by Roland Mas made me to use
RSA anyway.

FYI:

| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: Mail Gateway failed: Message is not PGP signed:
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:29:33 +
| 
| Hello!
| 
| Your request to the mail gateway is malformed, or an internal processing
| error occured. The information below may help you, or the gateway
| administrator to identify the problem.
| 
| Error: Message is not PGP signed:
| == Message Error: No PGP signature
| 
| 
| Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you have any questions.
 

This is what I got for me sending DSA key.  


After sending RSA key, I got:
| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: DB Change Request
| To: Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:29:49 +
| 
| Hello Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED]!
| 
| Your request to change your directory information has been processed.
| Note that there is a propagation time for many of the entries so please
| be patient. Here are the results:
| 
|  ssh-rsa
| ...

So this page needs to be updated.


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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-15 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Thu, 15 May 2008, Osamu Aoki wrote:

 Considering recent issues,  http://db.debian.org/password.html requires
 updated as s/id_dsa.pub/id_rsa.pub/.

My mail to d-i-a said that you need to use RSA keys.  You have read
that, right?

The page on db.d.o will get updated eventually, for now think of it as
You need to be at least this smart to get your key into LDAP.

weasel


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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-15 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 03:03:55PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote:
 On Thu, 15 May 2008, Osamu Aoki wrote:
 
  Considering recent issues,  http://db.debian.org/password.html requires
  updated as s/id_dsa.pub/id_rsa.pub/.
 
 My mail to d-i-a said that you need to use RSA keys.  You have read
 that, right?

Yes.

 The page on db.d.o will get updated eventually, for now think of it as
 You need to be at least this smart to get your key into LDAP.

Good.  

I tried DSA key before you send the mail though :-)

Osamu


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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-15 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 03:03:55PM +0200, Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 On Thu, 15 May 2008, Osamu Aoki wrote:
 
  Considering recent issues,  http://db.debian.org/password.html requires
  updated as s/id_dsa.pub/id_rsa.pub/.
 
 My mail to d-i-a said that you need to use RSA keys.  You have read
 that, right?

This mail should have been sent to d-d-a, really.

Mike


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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-15 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Thu, 15 May 2008, Mike Hommey wrote:

 On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 03:03:55PM +0200, Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  On Thu, 15 May 2008, Osamu Aoki wrote:
  
   Considering recent issues,  http://db.debian.org/password.html requires
   updated as s/id_dsa.pub/id_rsa.pub/.
  
  My mail to d-i-a said that you need to use RSA keys.  You have read
  that, right?
 
 This mail should have been sent to d-d-a, really.

No.  the original mail to d-d-a explicitly said that all future mails,
especially this, will be posted to d-i-a.

dia is the correct mailinglist for this.

weasel


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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-15 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 05:11:30PM +0200, Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 On Thu, 15 May 2008, Mike Hommey wrote:
 
  On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 03:03:55PM +0200, Peter Palfrader [EMAIL 
  PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Thu, 15 May 2008, Osamu Aoki wrote:
   
Considering recent issues,  http://db.debian.org/password.html requires
updated as s/id_dsa.pub/id_rsa.pub/.
   
   My mail to d-i-a said that you need to use RSA keys.  You have read
   that, right?
  
  This mail should have been sent to d-d-a, really.
 
 No.  the original mail to d-d-a explicitly said that all future mails,
 especially this, will be posted to d-i-a.
 
 dia is the correct mailinglist for this.

I beg to differ. This particular mail is important enough to be sent to
d-d-a instead of d-i-a.

Mike


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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-15 Thread Norbert Preining
On Do, 15 Mai 2008, Mike Hommey wrote:
 I beg to differ. This particular mail is important enough to be sent to
 d-d-a instead of d-i-a.

I agree, dia is not what I would be subscribed to under normal
circumstances, and with all the caos that type of announce is for dda.

Best wishes

Norbert

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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-15 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Thu, 15 May 2008, Norbert Preining wrote:

 On Do, 15 Mai 2008, Mike Hommey wrote:
  I beg to differ. This particular mail is important enough to be sent to
  d-d-a instead of d-i-a.
 
 I agree, dia is not what I would be subscribed to under normal
 circumstances, and with all the caos that type of announce is for dda.

Which is why the initial mail about the issue went to both.  If you read
the first mail you will know where to find the rest.  If you can't be
bothered to read carefully when asked to (and lots can't) then I cannot
help you.


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db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-14 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi,

Recent openssl issue lead me to http://db.debian.org/password.html and
made me wonder why script example uses DSA key while main text only
talks about RSA key.

| Alternatively, you can do without a password and use PGP to manipulate your
| LDAP information through the mail gateway and use SSH RSA Authentication to
| access the servers. To setup OpenSSH for RSA you need to first generate a
| private RSA key using ssh-keygen and select a good passphrase for it. Then 
send
| the public portion of the key to the LDAP directory:
| 
| gpg --clearsign  ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
| NB: Only version 2 RSA keys are accepted. Version 1 RSA keys (i.e. 
identity.pub
| files) will not work.


If main text is s/RSA/RSA\/DSA/g , I understand script example but ...

Is there any reason to use DSA key insted of RSA key(~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub) ?

Just curious,

Osamu


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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-14 Thread Luk Claes
Osamu Aoki wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Recent openssl issue lead me to http://db.debian.org/password.html and
 made me wonder why script example uses DSA key while main text only
 talks about RSA key.

The text talks about RSA keys as they are preferred over DSA keys.

 | Alternatively, you can do without a password and use PGP to manipulate your
 | LDAP information through the mail gateway and use SSH RSA Authentication to
 | access the servers. To setup OpenSSH for RSA you need to first generate a
 | private RSA key using ssh-keygen and select a good passphrase for it. Then 
 send
 | the public portion of the key to the LDAP directory:
 | 
 | gpg --clearsign  ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 | 
 | NB: Only version 2 RSA keys are accepted. Version 1 RSA keys (i.e. 
 identity.pub
 | files) will not work.
 
 
 If main text is s/RSA/RSA\/DSA/g , I understand script example but ...
 
 Is there any reason to use DSA key insted of RSA key(~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub) ?

On the contrary, it's better to use RSA keys as they can be bigger and
are faster.

Cheers

Luk


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Re: db.debian.org/password.html : Why ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub to setup OpenSSH for RSA

2008-05-14 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 19:50 +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
 Osamu Aoki wrote:
  Hi,
  
  Recent openssl issue lead me to http://db.debian.org/password.html and
  made me wonder why script example uses DSA key while main text only
  talks about RSA key.
 
 The text talks about RSA keys as they are preferred over DSA keys.

I assume Osamu was confused by the fact that this paragraph mentions RSA
consistently:

  |   use SSH RSA Authentication 
  to
  | access the servers. To setup OpenSSH for RSA you need to first generate a
  | private RSA key using ssh-keygen and select a good passphrase for it. 
  Then send
  | the public portion of the key to the LDAP directory:

and then suggests using the following:

  | gpg --clearsign  ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ^^^

in order to send your /RSA/ key :) (I'd guess the preceding text
mentioned DSA at one point).

Adam


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