Re: 0-day NMUs for RC bugs without activity for 7 days?

2011-05-09 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 07 May 2011 15:14:59 Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hi, On Sat, 07 May 2011, Jakub Wilk wrote: This works both ways. If a NMUer uploaded my package without a delay and without a good reason[0], I want to be able to yell at him „you are a jerk (according to Developers Reference)!”

Re: 0-day NMUs for RC bugs without activity for 7 days?

2011-05-09 Thread Didier Raboud
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: So, my experience with #624819 was basically this. The bug was reported, followed by an NMU upload about 45 minutes after the bug was initially reported. Please don't misunderstand. I appreciate that the submitter was proactive. However, emailing the patch first

Re: 0-day NMUs for RC bugs without activity for 7 days?

2011-05-08 Thread gregor herrmann
On Sat, 07 May 2011 15:08:37 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: But I agree that this policy should not force maintainers of several packages to ping their bug logs every 7 days, although at the very minimum I do expect a maintainer to post to an RC bug log at least once an I'm on it message.

Re: 0-day NMUs for RC bugs without activity for 7 days?

2011-05-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 06 May 2011, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: A patch was proposed (#625449) to implement in dvelopers-reference the DELAYED/0 for upload fixing only release-critical bugs older than 7 days, without maintainer activity for 7 days policy. I don't think that this policy is a good idea. But, since

Re: 0-day NMUs for RC bugs without activity for 7 days?

2011-05-07 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org, 2011-05-07, 09:12: A patch was proposed (#625449) to implement in dvelopers-reference the DELAYED/0 for upload fixing only release-critical bugs older than 7 days, without maintainer activity for 7 days policy. I don't think that this policy is a good

Re: 0-day NMUs for RC bugs without activity for 7 days?

2011-05-07 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, May 06, 2011 at 11:14:55PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : - The dev-ref documents the default choice. While there are cases where I agree that uploading the fixed package ASAP is necessary, in most cases, we can probably survive two more days with the bug, if we already survived

Re: 0-day NMUs for RC bugs without activity for 7 days?

2011-05-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Sat, 07 May 2011, Jakub Wilk wrote: This works both ways. If a NMUer uploaded my package without a delay and without a good reason[0], I want to be able to yell at him „you are a jerk (according to Developers Reference)!” No. First off, I never said that the rules are there to be able

Re: 0-day NMUs for RC bugs without activity for 7 days?

2011-05-07 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 7 May 2011 12:51:46 +0200 Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org wrote: [0] No, 7 days without activity in the bug log is not a good enough reason. Let's turn our empathy on and face it: we are not bug-fixing monkeys and 7 days is a very short time frame. It's 7 days without maintainer

Re: 0-day NMUs for RC bugs without activity for 7 days?

2011-05-07 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, May 07, 2011 at 12:51:46PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: This works both ways. If a NMUer uploaded my package without a delay and without a good reason[0], I want to be able to yell at him „you are a jerk (according to Developers Reference)!” Unfortunately, clueless NMUers do exist. :(

0-day NMUs for RC bugs without activity for 7 days?

2011-05-06 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, In http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/03/msg00016.html, the release team writes: 0-day NMU policy For some time now, we have had a perpetual 0-day NMU policy, and some discussion [LDO:0day] was had a while ago. We feel that this has worked well for the

Re: 0-day NMUs for RC bugs without activity for 7 days?

2011-05-06 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 11:14:55PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: - Doing an NMU without trying to contact the maintainer beforehand could be considered an aggressive behaviour, or a way to punish the maintainer for not addressing bugs as fast as one would like. We are trying hard to fight

Re: 0-day NMUs for RC bugs without activity for 7 days?

2011-05-06 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 18:38 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 11:14:55PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: - Doing an NMU without trying to contact the maintainer beforehand could be considered an aggressive behaviour, or a way to punish the maintainer for not