Mentors BoF at DebConf (was: Re: Allowing QA uploads for DMs (was: A lot of pending packages))

2010-06-17 Thread Tim Retout
On 16 June 2010 03:21, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Tim Retout dioc...@debian.org wrote: (Advance warning: I'm interested in discussing the mentoring process at DebConf.) Please register a BoF in penta about it to give folks more advance warning. I've

Re: Allowing QA uploads for DMs (was: A lot of pending packages)

2010-06-16 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:59:04 -0700 Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 08:50:28AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: What about if Debian QA packages were all to be deemed suitable for DM upload, including those which have been orphaned for over 2 months without a

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-16 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Jakub Wilk, 2010-06-15] I consider QA/adoption uploads without DD assistance unacceptable. +1 -- Piotr Ożarowski Debian GNU/Linux Developer www.ozarowski.pl www.griffith.cc www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: 1D2F A898 58DA AF62 1786 2DF7 AEF6 F1A2 A745

Re: Allowing QA uploads for DMs (was: A lot of pending packages)

2010-06-16 Thread Bernd Schubert
On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Tim Retout wrote: On 15 June 2010 21:59, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote: Encouraging maintainers to invest their time in QA makes more sense than adding more NEW packages to become the QA workload of the future. Directing everyone at NEW is

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-15 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:03:33 +0200 Vincent Danjean vdanjean...@free.fr wrote: On 11/06/2010 09:54, Thomas Goirand wrote: Right, I was being silly. Also, the word experimental adds more fear to the user than just devel, which is good. Let me rephrase then. How about we accept MORE packages

Allowing QA uploads for DMs (was: A lot of pending packages)

2010-06-15 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Am 15.06.2010 09:50, schrieb Neil Williams: OTOH if those requesting sponsorship were more open to packaging some of the orphaned packages listed under WNPP and qa.debian.org which have already been through NEW [..] What about if Debian QA packages were all to be deemed suitable for

Re: Allowing QA uploads for DMs (was: A lot of pending packages)

2010-06-15 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:12:22 +0200 Alexander Reichle-Schmehl alexan...@schmehl.info wrote: Hi! Am 15.06.2010 09:50, schrieb Neil Williams: OTOH if those requesting sponsorship were more open to packaging some of the orphaned packages listed under WNPP and qa.debian.org which have

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-15 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org, 2010-06-15, 08:50: What about if Debian QA packages were all to be deemed suitable for DM upload, including those which have been orphaned for over 2 months without a change of maintainer? Maybe when an orphaned package is uploaded with the change of

Re: Allowing QA uploads for DMs (was: A lot of pending packages)

2010-06-15 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:28:19 +0200 Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org wrote: * Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org, 2010-06-15, 08:50: What about if Debian QA packages were all to be deemed suitable for DM upload, including those which have been orphaned for over 2 months without a change of

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 08:50:28AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: What about if Debian QA packages were all to be deemed suitable for DM upload, including those which have been orphaned for over 2 months without a change of maintainer? Maybe when an orphaned package is uploaded with the change of

Re: Allowing QA uploads for DMs (was: A lot of pending packages)

2010-06-15 Thread Tim Retout
On 15 June 2010 21:59, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote: Encouraging maintainers to invest their time in QA makes more sense than adding more NEW packages to become the QA workload of the future. Directing everyone at NEW is counter-productive and encourages more horrible first-time

Re: Allowing QA uploads for DMs (was: A lot of pending packages)

2010-06-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Tim Retout dioc...@debian.org wrote: (Advance warning: I'm interested in discussing the mentoring process at DebConf.) Please register a BoF in penta about it to give folks more advance warning. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-14 Thread Vincent Danjean
On 11/06/2010 09:54, Thomas Goirand wrote: Right, I was being silly. Also, the word experimental adds more fear to the user than just devel, which is good. Let me rephrase then. How about we accept MORE packages with LESS checks in Experimental, and have new maintainers forced in that

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-12 Thread René Mayorga
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:17:00AM +0200, Andreas Marschke wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 00:58 +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:01:27 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: My 2nd suggestion is coming from the Maemo platform (the OS behind the Nokia n900 that is Debian based).

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-11 Thread Mohammad Ebrahim Mohammadi Panah
I'm not still a DD, and I would like to have an easier way to get my packages into Debian. But I'm afraid by opening up the experimental section, quality will be sacrificed. Just look at quality of some packages in universe of Ubuntu. Some of them even don't have a reasonable summary! On Fri, Jun

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
Jordan Metzmeier wrote: On 06/10/2010 06:01 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: My 2nd suggestion is coming from the Maemo platform (the OS behind the Nokia n900 that is Debian based). In Maemo, there is a devel repository that includes apps that aren't necessarily in good

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-11 Thread Andreas Marschke
On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 00:58 +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:01:27 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: My 2nd suggestion is coming from the Maemo platform (the OS behind the Nokia n900 that is Debian based). In Maemo, there is a devel repository that includes apps that aren't

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-11 Thread Jeremiah Foster
On Jun 11, 2010, at 10:17, Andreas Marschke wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 00:58 +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:01:27 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: My 2nd suggestion is coming from the Maemo platform (the OS behind the Nokia n900 that is Debian based). In Maemo, there is

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-10 Thread أحمد المحمودي
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:13:35AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Sometimes the package is beyond my skill level (such as Java or complicated maintainer scripts) or written in languages I strongly dislike (PHP), which means I review part of the package and will not sponsor it. ---end quoted text---

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-10 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:01:27 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: My 2nd suggestion is coming from the Maemo platform (the OS behind the Nokia n900 that is Debian based). In Maemo, there is a devel repository that includes apps that aren't necessarily in good shape. The users know that fact when they

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: My sponsoring preferences are available from URL: http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/debian-sponsoring.html . To make sure I have direct contact with the prospective package maintainer and avoid a backlog of packages I should have sponsored, I want to be contacted

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-10 Thread Jordan Metzmeier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/10/2010 06:01 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: My 2nd suggestion is coming from the Maemo platform (the OS behind the Nokia n900 that is Debian based). In Maemo, there is a devel repository that includes apps that

A lot of pending packages

2010-06-09 Thread Lorenzo De Liso
Hi all, I'm a simple debian contributor: I'm trying to get my work in debian through a sponsor [1] [2]. The problem is that I'm waiting for a sponsor since 7 days+ (and not only me, in mentors.debian.net there are 20+ pending packages) [3]. Why are they in pending status and nobody wants to

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-09 Thread Lorenzo De Liso
Hello, Il giorno mer, 09/06/2010 alle 22.44 +, Sune Vuorela ha scritto: When I'm sponsoring packages, which happens from time to time, it is normally packages that I somehow have a interest in. I think that many other sponsors feel it the same way. Sure and I'm agree about that. For

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-09 Thread Lorenzo De Liso
Il giorno mer, 09/06/2010 alle 18.12 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ha scritto: I don't think you are going to get a lot of traction for any proposal that removes a DD from the upload process. So, lack of free DDs will always be a potential issue. I suggest you encourage people to become a

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-09 Thread Lorenzo De Liso
Hello, Il giorno gio, 10/06/2010 alle 09.31 +1000, Craig Small ha scritto: That's exactly how I work when sponsoring packages. I look after 7 of them and all 7 have a reason for being there. There is only 9 packages that are asking for sponsors. Whereas for me that would be my worst

Re: A lot of pending packages

2010-06-09 Thread Paul Wise
Firstly, 7 days is a very short period of time to be waiting for sponsorship, some have been waiting since 2006. About your two packages: autotrash: sounds like the functionality should be part of GNOME/KDE, please talk to upstream about moving it there. ardentryst: seems like a good fit for