Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008

2008-08-05 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 10:11:32AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: As Robert Millan brought to my attention, in my enthusiasm to present our progress towards fully Lenny support for the Eee in the best possible light, my announcement muddied the distinction between Lenny and non-free when I said

Re: Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008

2008-08-05 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
Dear maintainers, you wwrote As Robert Millan brought to my attention, in my enthusiasm to present our progress towards fully Lenny support for the Eee in the best possible light, my announcement muddied the distinction between Lenny and non-free when I said that the earliest Eee models are

Re: Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008

2008-08-05 Thread jaromil
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 re all, On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 06:36:14PM +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Eh, yes, but kernel-module ath5k is still buggy (Bug #1542: cannot get an IP with dhcp) now for almost half a year - and no one seem to care. i can confirm this is no

Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008

2008-08-05 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
Am Dienstag, 5. August 2008 schrieb jaromil: re all, Hi jaromil, On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 06:36:14PM +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Eh, yes, but kernel-module ath5k is still buggy (Bug #1542: cannot get an IP with dhcp) now for almost half a year - and no one seem to care. i can confirm

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Robert Millan wrote: [ adding debian-project ] On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 01:53:54PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 08:28:19AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: Earliest Eee models fully supported in Lenny Lenny will release with the atl2 ethernet driver and the non-free

Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008

2008-08-04 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008, Ben Armstrong wrote: On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:53:54 +0200 Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lenny is Debian. non-free is not part of Debian. Check the Social Contract. In light of the point of that follows this one, is it perhaps not too far of a stretch to imagine

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 03:18:24PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: : Origin: Debian : Label: Debian : Suite: testing : Codename: lenny : Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:39:59 UTC : Architectures: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc : Components: main contrib

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Julien Cristau
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 20:36:17 +0200, Robert Millan wrote: This is troubling. Do you have any suggestions on how to address this? Stop trolling about utterly uninteresting details? HTH, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 08:46:36PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 20:36:17 +0200, Robert Millan wrote: This is troubling. Do you have any suggestions on how to address this? Stop trolling about utterly uninteresting details? I think it's you who are trolling. --

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
Robert Millan wrote: On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 03:18:24PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: : Origin: Debian : Label: Debian : Suite: testing : Codename: lenny : Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:39:59 UTC : Architectures: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc :

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Therefore Lenny is not Debian, but a superset of it? This is troubling. Do you have any suggestions on how to address this? I recommend not attributing such judgements to the configuration files of software packages. I'm looking for review of

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
Russ Allbery wrote: Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Therefore Lenny is not Debian, but a superset of it? This is troubling. Do you have any suggestions on how to address this? I recommend not attributing such judgements to the configuration files of software packages. Sorry???

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Giacomo Catenazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery wrote: I recommend not attributing such judgements to the configuration files of software packages. Sorry??? It is more that a configuration file, and BTW the same notation it is also used by apt. Archive and its format are an area

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-04 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 05, Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. The Release file in the archive is a configuration file that is part of the software interface to the archive. The terminology that it uses refers to capabilities within the archive maintenance software and within the software

Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008

2008-08-03 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 08:28:19AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: Earliest Eee models fully supported in Lenny Lenny will release with the atl2 ethernet driver and the non-free madwifi-source now works with the earliest Eee models as well, Hi Ben Lenny is Debian. non-free is not part

Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008

2008-08-03 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:53:54 +0200 Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lenny is Debian. non-free is not part of Debian. Check the Social Contract. In light of the point of that follows this one, is it perhaps not too far of a stretch to imagine that I understand this, and expected my readers

confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-03 Thread Robert Millan
[ adding debian-project ] On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 01:53:54PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 08:28:19AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: Earliest Eee models fully supported in Lenny Lenny will release with the atl2 ethernet driver and the non-free madwifi-source

Re: confusion about non-free (Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008)

2008-08-03 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:17:46 +0200 Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder what is it that we do wrong to spread this confusion so much that it affects even Debian developers themselves. What is this to blame? Would it be the FTP archive layout? Perhaps having an unified BTS? I'd

Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008

2008-08-03 Thread Ben Armstrong
As Robert Millan brought to my attention, in my enthusiasm to present our progress towards fully Lenny support for the Eee in the best possible light, my announcement muddied the distinction between Lenny and non-free when I said that the earliest Eee models are now fully supported in Lenny. I

Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008

2008-08-03 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Earliest Eee models supported in Lenny Lenny will release with the atl2 ethernet driver and the non-free madwifi-source now works with the earliest Eee models as well […] Sorry for the confusion, Thanks very much for correcting this important