Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-06-02 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sat, Jun 2, 2007 at 15:15:40 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: #382607 (CVE-2006-4041) has apparently not been touched in 9 months. This is probably mitigated by the fix for #368645 (CVE-2006-2314), but this was never confirmed. The security tracker lists this as unimportant, with a note that

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-06-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 18:22 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 01:58:02AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: What evidence do you have that serious security bugs won't get fixed in a stable release because of MIA developers? Search for years in

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-06-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2007-06-02 at 16:22 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Sat, Jun 2, 2007 at 15:15:40 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: #382607 (CVE-2006-4041) has apparently not been touched in 9 months. This is probably mitigated by the fix for #368645 (CVE-2006-2314), but this was never confirmed.

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-06-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 03:38:46PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Sat, 2007-06-02 at 16:22 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Sat, Jun 2, 2007 at 15:15:40 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: #382607 (CVE-2006-4041) has apparently not been touched in 9 months. This is probably mitigated by the fix

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-30 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 07:46:34PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: What evidence do you have that serious security bugs won't get fixed in a stable release because of MIA developers? AFAIK, the burden of providing security updates largely falls on the shoulders of the security team, even in

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-30 Thread paddy
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 03:15:59AM -0400, Roberto C. S?nchez wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 07:46:34PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: What evidence do you have that serious security bugs won't get fixed in a stable release because of MIA developers? AFAIK, the burden of providing security

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-30 Thread Enrico Zini
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:51:38PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: think it would be a service to our users to grade how well supported packages are. I have a number of ideas for ways in which this could be done, but I think a discussion would yield something better that might eventually be

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-30 Thread Jonas Meurer
On 29/05/2007 Ben Hutchings wrote: There were some discussions on -private (and possibly here?) earlier in the year about quality vs quantity of packages. [...] I don't think we want to start grading maintainers and I believe there's a consensus that we should not be more selective about

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-30 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 04:49:27PM +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote: On 29/05/2007 Ben Hutchings wrote: There were some discussions on -private (and possibly here?) earlier in the year about quality vs quantity of packages. [...] I don't think we want to start grading maintainers and I

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-30 Thread Neil Williams
On Wed, 30 May 2007 16:49:27 +0200 Jonas Meurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Publishing the date of last upload is a very useful information here, especially if you need to choose an application out of several unknown alternatives. That information is already available at packages.qa.d.o and

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 19:46 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:51:38PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: There were some discussions on -private (and possibly here?) earlier in the year about quality vs quantity of packages. It should be clear to most developers that our

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-30 Thread Steve Greenland
On 30-May-07, 10:24 (CDT), Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is one of many indications. I could cite many others, good or not so good indicators: * size of the changelogs ; Older packages will skew this. * number of revisions per upstream release ; As you note, depends

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 16:48 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:38:16PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 19:46 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:51:38PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: There were some discussions on -private (and

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 01:58:02AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: What evidence do you have that serious security bugs won't get fixed in a stable release because of MIA developers? Search for years in

Re: BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-30 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Langasek wrote: Ok, can you provide an example to support this claim that sarge is worse? http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/status/release/oldstable http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/status/release/stable (You may want to grep for high.) I'm not saying that what the

BoF: Supporting 15,000 packages - How much support do we mean?

2007-05-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
There were some discussions on -private (and possibly here?) earlier in the year about quality vs quantity of packages. It should be clear to most developers that our many packages are not all equal in quality; nor are all maintainers. Not everyone is aware that packages in a stable release may