On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 10:16:19AM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote:
> Yes, it's one of the ways people learn about software that is being
> packaged and they might like to become involved in.
> I find reading ITPs
>
> 1) increases my interest in Debian because I see cool stuff people are
> doing
>
> 2)
This is exactly my point of view of ITPs as well, while I'm not as
involved in Debian in most of the people here, it's a nice and proper
gateway to see what's happening and what people are working on.
Also, I have taken note of at least of couple pieces of software which I
could use
> "Andrey" == Andrey Rahmatullin writes:
Andrey> More sensible than not filing it? This defeats both
Andrey> purposes of an ITP: getting it discussed and working as a
Andrey> mutex for people who are thinking about packaging the same
Andrey> software. Are there other
Hi Philip (2022.07.19_20:51:36_+)
> > In other words, if you don't pick a culture, the _global_ dataset (ie, the
> > default one) must not assume either. It takes a lot of work to prepare
> > such a database, that's why this package is good to have.
>
> What exactly is it supposed to be good
Hi,
On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 06:08:16PM +0200, Andrej Shadura wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022, at 16:57, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 01:48:17PM +0200, Andrej Shadura wrote:
> >> Take Misha/Miša/Миша or Petya/Peťa/Петя. In Russian tradition, these are
> >> very likely
>> * Package name: gender-guesser
>> Version : 0.4.0
>> Upstream Author : Israel Saeta Pérez
>> * URL : https://github.com/lead-ratings/gender-guesser
>> * License : GPL-3 & GFDL-1.2+
>> Programming Lang: Python
>> Description : Guess the gender from first
Adam Borowski writes:
> In other words, if you don't pick a culture, the _global_ dataset (ie, the
> default one) must not assume either. It takes a lot of work to prepare
> such a database, that's why this package is good to have.
What exactly is it supposed to be good for?
From what I can
On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 06:08:16PM +0200, Andrej Shadura wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022, at 16:57, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 01:48:17PM +0200, Andrej Shadura wrote:
> >> Take Misha/Miša/Миша or Petya/Peťa/Петя. In Russian tradition, these are
> >> very likely masculine names,
On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 01:48:17PM +0200, Andrej Shadura wrote:
> No need to go that far.
> Andrea in Germany is traditionally a woman’s name, Andrea in Italy is a
> masculine name. How can we tell if a certain specific Andrea is named
> according to the German (Czech, Slovak etc) tradition (and
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 10:54:10PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> Le samedi, 16 juillet 2022, 19.36:17 h CEST Adrian Bunk a écrit :
> > What tools did you use to generate this data?
> >
> > The irony is that your "fight" requires exactly the tools you want to
> > condemn, and data Debian
Le samedi, 16 juillet 2022, 19.36:17 h CEST Adrian Bunk a écrit :
> What tools did you use to generate this data?
>
> The irony is that your "fight" requires exactly the tools you want to
> condemn, and data Debian should better not collect at all.
It does not. The whole argument is
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 07:10:55PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 07:05:09PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>...
> > Debian is not a project that fights for trans people or fights for
> > denazification or fights for whatever other non-technical topics
> > individual
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 10:05:59AM +, Stefano Rivera wrote:
> I think it's our business, as a community, and as conference organisers,
> to try to increase the diversity at our events. To me, that means
> increasing speaker diversity, primarily. Attendee diversity won't change
> unless the
Hi debian-devel (2022.07.16_09:12:16_+)
> I guess we should expose this in our conference statistics. We care
> about it.
And in the future, we will:
https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/websites/wafer-debconf/-/merge_requests/150
SR
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First, by all means, if you want to develop, package and maintain this
app in keeping with the quality standards a Linux distro like Debian
demands, go to it.
Having said that, it sounds like one of the goofiest things I have heard
of recently, and I can not see ever having a use for it. But
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 11:14:43AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>
>> Do you have a real use for this package?
>
>Why in the world is that even a relevant question? There are plenty of
>packages in the archive which are useful to essentially nobody apart
>from the
Hi Holger (2022.07.16_09:42:56_+)
> but why? how is gender relevant for participating in DebConf as
> a whole? (i can see how it could be relevant for some events, but
> not for the whole conference.)
It's not. It's for statistics, as we say when we collect it.
I think it's our business, as
Edward wrote:
>Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>
>> Oh, not *another* package that tries to guess things from names.
>>
>> Do you have a real use for this package? There are a *lot* of issues
>> in this area, and mis-gendering people is not something to risk
>> lightly...
>
>I can add a warning to the
Adrian Bunk wrote:
>On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 04:05:35PM +0200, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
>>...
>> Debian has a Diversity Statement [1] which says that Debian welcomes
>> people regardless of how they identify themselves. Trans people and
>> non-binary people face a lot of discrimination, harrassment and
Steve McIntyre wrote...
> IMHO there are 2 points to an ITP:
>
> * to save effort in case two people might be working on the same
>package
And having such a lock is a good thing.
> * to invite discussion on debian-devel / elsewhere
Which might include reactions like:
* There is already
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 09:12:16AM +, Stefano Rivera wrote:
> If you're asking about DebConf 22, we have that information:
[...]
> I guess we should expose this in our conference statistics. We care
> about it.
but why? how is gender relevant for participating in DebConf as
a whole? (i can
Quoting Enrico Zini (2022-07-16 10:17:11)
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 12:43:16PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote:
>
> > I've been writing some code to work out the gender balance of speakers at a
> > conference. It parses the pentabarf XML of the schedule and feeds the
> > speaker
> > names to this
Hi Enrico (2022.07.16_08:17:11_+)
> I think the right way to get the statistics you're looking for would be
> to ask speakers to state their own identity on pentabarf, so that
> statistics are based on self-determination, rather than external
> overrides of it.
If you're asking about DebConf
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 12:43:16PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote:
> I've been writing some code to work out the gender balance of speakers at a
> conference. It parses the pentabarf XML of the schedule and feeds the speaker
> names to this module.
>
> Here's the results for Debconf 22.
>
> 72
On Sat, 2022-07-16 at 08:51 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Are you actually somehow claiming that Debian's core values include
> bad treatment of Jews and those other groups? Seriously, WTF?
We had project members supporting antisemitic groups on project lists
and DebConf events, for example in
Adam Borowski wrote:
>On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 04:05:35PM +0200, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
>> > > >* Package name: gender-guesser
>
>> Debian has a Diversity Statement [1] which says that Debian welcomes
>> people regardless of how they identify themselves. Trans people and
>> non-binary people face
* Jeremy Bicha [220714 10:06]:
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 2:41 PM Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 11:14:43AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > > edw...@4angle.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >Package: wnpp
> > > >Severity: wishlist
> > > >Owner: Edward Betts
> > > >X-Debbugs-Cc:
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 07:10:55PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Debconf is on in Kosovo right now. If I had to work out Albanian
> gender mappings from names, I'd have no clue.
I decided to take a random name: the President of Kosovo. In Wikipedia I
see it is Vjosa Osmani, a name completely
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 07:05:09PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 04:05:35PM +0200, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> >...
> > Debian has a Diversity Statement [1] which says that Debian welcomes
> > people regardless of how they identify themselves. Trans people and
> > non-binary people
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 04:05:35PM +0200, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
>...
> Debian has a Diversity Statement [1] which says that Debian welcomes
> people regardless of how they identify themselves. Trans people and
> non-binary people face a lot of discrimination, harrassment and
> bullying around the
On 2022-07-14 13:52 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> If the only reason for the ITP is to make lintian quiet then I think
> that's a total waste of time - it's following a guideline blindly
> without understanding the reason for it.
>
> How do others feel?
I mostly file ITPs because Lintian moans
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 08:14:13AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Edward Betts writes:
>
> > I've been writing some code to work out the gender balance of speakers
> > at a conference. It parses the pentabarf XML of the schedule and feeds
> > the speaker names to this module.
>
> > Here's the
Vincent Bernat writes:
> On 2022-07-14 17:14, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> (Also, due to the limitations and history of naming conventions, the
>> software is inherently trying to map into a gender binary, which if one
>> is attempting to capture self-identification is likely to be unhelpful
>> for
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 04:05:35PM +0200, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> > > >* Package name: gender-guesser
> Debian has a Diversity Statement [1] which says that Debian welcomes
> people regardless of how they identify themselves. Trans people and
> non-binary people face a lot of discrimination,
On 2022/07/14 14:52, Steve McIntyre wrote:
IMHO there are 2 points to an ITP:
* to save effort in case two people might be working on the same
package
* to invite discussion on debian-devel / elsewhere
If people post an ITP and upload iummediately, then I don't think that
helps on
On 2022-07-14 17:14, Russ Allbery wrote:
(Also, due to the limitations and history of naming conventions, the
software is inherently trying to map into a gender binary, which if one is
attempting to capture self-identification is likely to be unhelpful for
many populations, such as ones with
Edward Betts writes:
> I've been writing some code to work out the gender balance of speakers
> at a conference. It parses the pentabarf XML of the schedule and feeds
> the speaker names to this module.
> Here's the results for Debconf 22.
> 72 speakers
> male 48 66.7%
>
Hello,
On Thu 14 Jul 2022 at 01:52PM +01, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> IMHO there are 2 points to an ITP:
>
> * to save effort in case two people might be working on the same
>package
> * to invite discussion on debian-devel / elsewhere
>
> If people post an ITP and upload iummediately, then I
Hello,
On Thu 14 Jul 2022 at 02:23PM +02, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote:
> Quoting Steve McIntyre (2022-07-14 13:54:52)
>> And I see you uploaded ~immediately - why even bother with an ITP?
>
> I did that quite a few times in the past as well. Is there a rule of how long
> I
> have to
Steve McIntyre writes:
> IMHO there are 2 points to an ITP:
> * to save effort in case two people might be working on the same
>package
> * to invite discussion on debian-devel / elsewhere
> If people post an ITP and upload iummediately, then I don't think that
> helps on either count.
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 02:31:22PM +0200, julien.pu...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Le jeudi 14 juillet 2022 à 14:16 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
> > On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:54:52 +0100, Steve McIntyre
> > wrote:
> > > And I see you uploaded ~immediately - why even bother with an ITP?
> >
> > Is it
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 2:41 PM Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 11:14:43AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > edw...@4angle.com wrote:
> >
> > >Package: wnpp
> > >Severity: wishlist
> > >Owner: Edward Betts
> > >X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org,
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 3:12 PM Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 05:48:56PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 08:45:24AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > >
> > > Filing the ITP then immediately uploading seems really sensible,
> > More sensible
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 05:48:56PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 08:45:24AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> >
> > Filing the ITP then immediately uploading seems really sensible,
> More sensible than not filing it?
> This defeats both purposes of an ITP: getting it
On Jul 14, Marc Haber wrote:
> >And I see you uploaded ~immediately - why even bother with an ITP?
> Is it proper procedure to upload without an ITP?
Is there any point in an ITP if you are already ready to upload the
package? No.
--
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Marco
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Marc Haber wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:54:52 +0100, Steve McIntyre
>wrote:
>>And I see you uploaded ~immediately - why even bother with an ITP?
>
>Is it proper procedure to upload without an ITP?
IMHO there are 2 points to an ITP:
* to save effort in case two people might be working on the
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 08:45:24AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > > > And I see you uploaded ~immediately - why even bother with an ITP?
> > >
> > > Is it proper procedure to upload without an ITP?
> > >
> >
> > No ; I have to admit a large percentage of the new packages I upload
> > get
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 02:31:22PM +0200, julien.pu...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Le jeudi 14 juillet 2022 à 14:16 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
> > On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:54:52 +0100, Steve McIntyre
> > wrote:
> > > And I see you uploaded ~immediately - why even bother with an ITP?
> >
> > Is it
On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 11:14:43AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> edw...@4angle.com wrote:
>
> >Package: wnpp
> >Severity: wishlist
> >Owner: Edward Betts
> >X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-pyt...@lists.debian.org
> >
> >* Package name: gender-guesser
> > Version
Hi,
Le jeudi 14 juillet 2022 à 14:16 +0200, Marc Haber a écrit :
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:54:52 +0100, Steve McIntyre
> wrote:
> > And I see you uploaded ~immediately - why even bother with an ITP?
>
> Is it proper procedure to upload without an ITP?
>
No ; I have to admit a large percentage
Quoting Steve McIntyre (2022-07-14 13:54:52)
> And I see you uploaded ~immediately - why even bother with an ITP?
I did that quite a few times in the past as well. Is there a rule of how long I
have to wait with my upload to NEW after filing the ITP?
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wrote:
>And I see you uploaded ~immediately - why even bother with an ITP?
Is it proper procedure to upload without an ITP?
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Steve McIntyre wrote:
>edw...@4angle.com wrote:
>
>>Package: wnpp
>>Severity: wishlist
>>Owner: Edward Betts
>>X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-pyt...@lists.debian.org
>>
>>* Package name: gender-guesser
>> Version : 0.4.0
>> Upstream Author : Israel Saeta Pérez
edw...@4angle.com wrote:
>Package: wnpp
>Severity: wishlist
>Owner: Edward Betts
>X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-pyt...@lists.debian.org
>
>* Package name: gender-guesser
> Version : 0.4.0
> Upstream Author : Israel Saeta Pérez
>* URL :
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