Il dom, 2004-10-10 alle 13:57, martin f krafft ha scritto:
I am sorry to have offended you, or anyone else. I should not have
written back that day because I was occupied with some personal
issues and let some steam off by being sarcastic. It was nothing
personal, and I wish I could undo it.
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 01:57:14PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
If it is of any use, I would like to offer sponsorship for the
package, in the hope to make peace over the issue.
The packages is available at http://ptitlouis.sysif.net/debian.
For instance msmtp does not provides
Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sun, Oct 10, 2004:
Is there a text describing the contract of packages providing
mail-transport-agent?
At least All MTA packages must come with a newaliases program, even
if it does nothing, but older MTA packages did not do this so programs
should not
On Fri, Oct 15, 2004 at 02:11:07AM +0200, Loïc Minier wrote:
Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sun, Oct 10, 2004:
Is there a text describing the contract of packages providing
mail-transport-agent?
At least All MTA packages must come with a newaliases program, even
if it does
On Sunday 10 October 2004 14:58, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 01:21:44PM +0200, Christian Surchi wrote:
Il sab, 2004-10-09 alle 17:48, martin f krafft ha scritto:
I think it's not a right comparison, nullmail is an MTA. and
AFAIK, msmtp is not an MTA:
it
Scripsit George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMHO a MTA must be capable acts as a client and as a server to transfer
messages between machines and is responsible for properly routing
messages to their destination, e.g. RFC 974. msmtp does not do all
of these, therefor it is not a MTA, and might
On Monday 11 October 2004 19:18, Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMHO a MTA must be capable acts as a client and as a server to transfer
messages between machines and is responsible for properly routing
messages to their destination, e.g. RFC 974. msmtp
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 09:00:35PM +0300, George Danchev wrote:
MTA is a software talking at least one Mail Transfer Protocol (like SMTP,
UUCP, X.400 ...)
My example, delivering mail via 'ssh mailhub /usr/sbin/sendmail', is
an example of transporting mail.
These Mail Transfer Agents are
Scripsit George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Monday 11 October 2004 19:18, Henning Makholm wrote:
The definition of mail-transport-agent is that it provides a
/usr/sbin/sendmail that local software can use to submit emails for
delivery to arbitrary addresses with some reasonable
On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 19:00, George Danchev wrote:
Normally I wouldn't mention it but if you're going to pull people up on
their grammar please at least get it right. :-)
p.s. s/an MTA/a MTA
Nope. An MTA, an SOS, a UPS. It's dependent on vowel /sounds/ rather
than vowels.
Adam
On Monday 11 October 2004 21:30, Henning Makholm wrote:
Scripsit George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Monday 11 October 2004 19:18, Henning Makholm wrote:
The definition of mail-transport-agent is that it provides a
/usr/sbin/sendmail that local software can use to submit emails for
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 09:00:35PM +0300, George Danchev wrote:
On Monday 11 October 2004 19:18, Henning Makholm wrote:
That is up to the system administrator to arrange. If it provides a
Satifying package's Depends: is in the domain of packaging system handlers.
Ever seen a debian/control
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 05:04:43PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Julien Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.09.1616 +0200]:
msmtp is an SMTP client that can be used as an SMTP plugin for Mutt and
probably other MUAs (mail user agents).
It forwards mails to an SMTP server (for
Il dom, 2004-10-10 alle 01:32, Henning Makholm ha scritto:
I think that msmtp simply will take the place of sendmail binary called
by mutt.
If it provides /usr/sbin/sendmail, then by definition it is a
mail-transport-agent and should, if packaged, declare itself as such.
No. If you read
Il sab, 2004-10-09 alle 17:48, martin f krafft ha scritto:
I think it's not a right comparison, nullmail is an MTA. and
AFAIK, msmtp is not an MTA:
it transports mail to the next relay, right?
nullmailer is a simple relay-only mail transport agent.
what's the difference?
Deep
Christian Surchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sun, Oct 10, 2004:
Deep difference. Our mail-transport-agents are able to behave as daemon,
listening on 25 port. msmtp doesn't, and it's the same for nail. Do you
think that nail could be an MTA? Do you think that any evolution of
mail(1) could be seen as
also sprach Christian Surchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.10.1321 +0200]:
Do you know about a correct way to have a conversation with
people? I don't like your attitude, I have simply exposed my idea
about that program, reading its features. That's all.
I am sorry to have offended you, or
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 01:21:44PM +0200, Christian Surchi wrote:
Il sab, 2004-10-09 alle 17:48, martin f krafft ha scritto:
I think it's not a right comparison, nullmail is an MTA. and
AFAIK, msmtp is not an MTA:
it transports mail to the next relay, right?
nullmailer is a simple
also sprach Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.10.0939 +0200]:
ssmtp seems to be its competitor, not nullmailer. (ssmtp and msmtp
appear to provide /usr/bin/sendmail only, while nullmailer appears to
provide port 25 only.)
But otherwise it's a good question..
Yes, which I would like
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 07:05:45PM +0300, George Danchev said
oh well, msmtp has TLS and SASL and IPv6, so I guess it is more
featureful than nullmailer...
and much more ... also has msmtpqueue which is a pair of very simple shell
scripts that allows you to queue mails and send them all
also sprach Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.10.1442 +0200]:
and much more ... also has msmtpqueue which is a pair of very simple shell
scripts that allows you to queue mails and send them all at a later time
(useful for dialup connections: write your mails offline and send them when
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 02:05:06PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.10.0939 +0200]:
ssmtp seems to be its competitor, not nullmailer. (ssmtp and msmtp
appear to provide /usr/bin/sendmail only, while nullmailer appears to
provide port 25
also sprach Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.10.1601 +0200]:
ssmtp seems to support SSL/TLS connections also. The package depends on
libssl and a quick glance at the source shows that support is there.
What ssmtp are you talking about?
cirrus:~ dpkg -p ssmtp | grep Depends
Depends:
Scripsit Christian Surchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not msmtp fan or user, but I lost two minutes to read the home page
trying to understand the differences. msmtp is simply a way to delivery
mail to a remote smtp server. For example you cannot have it listening
on 25 port, so I cannot see it as
On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 01:57:14PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
I would suggest not naming it an smtp plugin for mutt though
because it works equally well with every other product that uses
/usr/sbin/sendmail.
I agree with the smtp plugin for mutt removal, I will adapt the description
this
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: msmtp
Version : 1.2.3
Upstream Author : Martin Lambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* URL : http://msmtp.sourceforge.net
* License : GPL
Description : smtp client which can be used as a smtp plugin with mutt
msmtp is
also sprach Julien Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.09.1616 +0200]:
msmtp is an SMTP client that can be used as an SMTP plugin for Mutt and
probably other MUAs (mail user agents).
It forwards mails to an SMTP server (for example at a free mail provider)
which
does the delivery.
How does
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sat, Oct 09, 2004:
How does this differ from nullmailer? Why should we have Yet Another
SMTP client in Debian?
Because it doesn't provide the same set of functionalities?
A quick look at nullmailer and msmtp homepages shows that msmtp
supports SASL, and
Il sab, 2004-10-09 alle 17:04, martin f krafft ha scritto:
also sprach Julien Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.09.1616 +0200]:
msmtp is an SMTP client that can be used as an SMTP plugin for Mutt and
probably other MUAs (mail user agents).
It forwards mails to an SMTP server (for example at
also sprach Christian Surchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.09.1730 +0200]:
I think it's not a right comparison, nullmail is an MTA. and
AFAIK, msmtp is not an MTA:
it transports mail to the next relay, right?
nullmailer is a simple relay-only mail transport agent.
what's the difference?
oh well,
On Saturday 09 October 2004 18:48, martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Christian Surchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.09.1730 +0200]:
I think it's not a right comparison, nullmail is an MTA. and
AFAIK, msmtp is not an MTA:
it transports mail to the next relay, right?
nullmailer is a simple
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 05:48:55PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
I think that msmtp simply will take the place of sendmail binary
called by mutt.
oh, and calling it a plugin make is sounds so much better. are these
guys marketing specialists or software hackers?
Well plugin may not be
also sprach Julien Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.09.1907 +0200]:
Well plugin may not be the appropriate word to define the msmtp
function in mutt. But is there any *good* reason to make so much
noise for just one word ?
No. But if you
- are aware of the Debian archive bloat,
- know of
martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sat, Oct 09, 2004:
you might understand my reaction.
Of course! Maybe the OP should have provided a better description, for
example with a listing of features, or with reasons why the software
distinguish itself from alternatives? But there's no need to
Scripsit Christian Surchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
msmtp is not an MTA:
I think that msmtp simply will take the place of sendmail binary called
by mutt.
If it provides /usr/sbin/sendmail, then by definition it is a
mail-transport-agent and should, if packaged, declare itself as such.
If it
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