Re: Bug#614907: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Node.js and it's future in debian

2012-05-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 09:49:11PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
 On 12-05-06 at 10:22am, Steve Langasek wrote:
  On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 03:07:27AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
   We have until now maintained Nodejs only in unstable because 
   requests to rename axnode was met with either silence or refusal 
   with the reasoning that axnode was more widely used in Debian than 
   Nodejs.

   Obviously Nodejs is not widely used in Debian when initially 
   packaged.  So I've simply waited until it was really sensible to 
   make such comparison of popularity among the users of Debian.  Which 
   seems to be the case now - even if still impaired by Nodejs only 
   offered to our users of unstable and experimental Debian.

  I find this response from you *very* disappointing.  It implies that 
  you knew that you had a responsibility to rename the Nodejs binary 
  according to Policy, but that rather than acting in a timely manner to 
  persuade upstream of the importance of renaming, you decided to wait 
  until momentum was on your side so that you could have an outcome in 
  your favor.

 No, that is not what it means.  You are reading timings into it that I 
 did not write there, and you are reading those timings wrong!

Ok, sorry for the misunderstanding.  That certainly is what I took from your
statement that you were waiting until it was sensible to compare
popularity, but it seems I misunderstood.

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Re: Bug#614907: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Node.js and it's future in debian

2012-05-08 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-05-07 at 11:28pm, Steve Langasek wrote:
 On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 09:49:11PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
  On 12-05-06 at 10:22am, Steve Langasek wrote:
   On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 03:07:27AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
We have until now maintained Nodejs only in unstable because 
requests to rename axnode was met with either silence or refusal 
with the reasoning that axnode was more widely used in Debian 
than Nodejs.
 
Obviously Nodejs is not widely used in Debian when initially 
packaged.  So I've simply waited until it was really sensible to 
make such comparison of popularity among the users of Debian.  
Which seems to be the case now - even if still impaired by 
Nodejs only offered to our users of unstable and experimental 
Debian.
 
   I find this response from you *very* disappointing.  It implies 
   that you knew that you had a responsibility to rename the Nodejs 
   binary according to Policy, but that rather than acting in a 
   timely manner to persuade upstream of the importance of renaming, 
   you decided to wait until momentum was on your side so that you 
   could have an outcome in your favor.
 
  No, that is not what it means.  You are reading timings into it that 
  I did not write there, and you are reading those timings wrong!
 
 Ok, sorry for the misunderstanding.  That certainly is what I took 
 from your statement that you were waiting until it was sensible to 
 compare popularity, but it seems I misunderstood.

Your certainty is not flawed: That wasn't the detail you misunderstood.

I talked about waiting internally in Debian, you (in my understanding) 
lectured me about relationship with upstream.


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