Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-04 Thread Thomas Dickey
Benjamin Mesing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see any mention of xterm in packagesearch's changelog, nor any bugs filed about the problem, either. Look at changelog.gz, probably I should have copied it to changelog.Debian.gz too. Bugs were not filed against this problem. And to be honest

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 10:19:13AM -0500, Benjamin Mesing wrote: Also note that it was only one feature of packagesearch which broke (after all packagesearch does only recommend xterm and works without it). But my point was that such (unforseeable) things might break things in testing. Sure,

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-04 Thread Benjamin Mesing
Hello, So please disregard my statement against testing [..] (In this case, xterm could have had a conflict with your package to avoid screwing users over unnoticed; and we could (in future) have added a note to the testing scripts to not allow upgrades of xterm until a fixed version of

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 01:22:57PM -0500, Benjamin Mesing wrote: So please disregard my statement against testing (In this case, xterm could have had a conflict with your package to avoid screwing users over unnoticed; and we could (in future) have added a note to the testing scripts to

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-03 Thread Benjamin Mesing
Hello, However due to the QT library transition my package which I fixed in unstable at once has not entered testing yet... packagesearch | 2.0.4 | testing | source, alpha, ... packagesearch | 2.0.4 | unstable | source, alpha, ... You are right, the QT library

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-03 Thread Radosław Warowny
Thanks for your answer, and information you provided. At the begining I have to make a correction. My happiness last for a day or two, after that the problems with gnome, web-browsers, totem came back (maybe after reboot ? I don't know yet..). I found some more verbose error message from totem

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-03 Thread Linas Zvirblis
Debian people are well aware of Ubuntu and their way of doing things. No need to point it out. As for your problem, please post to debian-user or other more apropriate mailing list and describe it as precisely as you can. Debian-devel is for internal development of Debian. -- To

Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-02 Thread Radosław Warowny
Hi I would like to share some interesting experience about using debian as desktop system. I have been using debian as my desktop system for several years. Lately, becouse I gained access to internet, i upgraded my system to the latest testing distribution of debian (etch, with the Gnome 2.10

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-02 Thread Linas Zvirblis
Hello, First of all, I would like to note that I have never experienced anything like that with my Debian desktop. The only time I have witnessed such devastating effects was when mixing packages from various distributions. Yes, that was my own fault. I knew it could happen and it did

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-02 Thread Benjamin Mesing
Hello Secondly, you do not seem to understand how Debian works. Unstable is called Unstable for a reason. It is the first stage of public testing. Renaming it to Latest would not only falsely describe what it is, but would simply be not true. If you want the latest, you download and

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-02 Thread Linas Zvirblis
Benjamin Mesing wrote: However I have often heard complaints about broken dependencies and broken software in testing. From what I have heard, I would not like to go with testing for my system. How on Earth would that be allowed into testing? I can imagine Serious bugs slipping trough

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-02 Thread Benjamin Mesing
Hello How on Earth would that be allowed into testing? I can imagine Serious bugs slipping trough (because most are reported as Normal, after all), but broken dependencies? I admit I was imprecise, often it are conflicts (usually through library stuff) that prevent packages from being

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-02 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ma, 2006-01-02 kello 22:16 -0500, Benjamin Mesing kirjoitti: I admit I was imprecise, often it are conflicts (usually through library stuff) that prevent packages from being installable when you have certain other installed, even though you would want both. But as mentioned I am only repeating

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 06:29:00AM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ma, 2006-01-02 kello 22:16 -0500, Benjamin Mesing kirjoitti: But for example I can speak for my package (packagesearch) which broke, when xterm changed how it handles command line arguments. Of course I didn't knew this before,

Re: Debian for desktop - gnome in usnstable/experimantal more stable than in testing ?

2006-01-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 06:14:09PM -0500, Benjamin Mesing wrote: However I have often heard complaints about broken dependencies and broken software in testing. Sure. Testing isn't perfect, it won't guarantee your software is bug free; and furthermore it changes daily, which means which bits