I've assisted a number of people with various distributions, and I will tell
you right now that there is only one new user-friendly way to do it: provide a
DE out of the box, and choose it for them. People will generally not research
and do not know which is "better". They are willing to try som
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 09:13:50PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:11:49PM +0200, Bjoern Meier wrote:
> [...]
> > Ok, an example. my Girlfriend was really pissed of Win8. She hate it
> > (for good reasons). She came to me and asked:"Can you show me Linux
> > and how it wor
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:11:49PM +0200, Bjoern Meier wrote:
[...]
> Ok, an example. my Girlfriend was really pissed of Win8. She hate it
> (for good reasons). She came to me and asked:"Can you show me Linux
> and how it works?". I sweat blood, but I took my honor.
> After a successful install sh
hi,
2013/6/6 Russ Allbery :
> Bjoern Meier writes:
>
>> Freedom is not only that you have a choice, you have to know what your
>> decision and the consequences will be. Unmanageable? Really?
>
>> I done LFS a weeks ago, was that unmanageable? No. It's not. Yeah Debian
>> is not LFS, but I rember
Bjoern Meier writes:
> Freedom is not only that you have a choice, you have to know what your
> decision and the consequences will be. Unmanageable? Really?
> I done LFS a weeks ago, was that unmanageable? No. It's not. Yeah Debian
> is not LFS, but I rember the install-process on potato. That
hi,
2013/6/6 Ben Hutchings :
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:34:35AM +0200, Bjoern Meier wrote:
>> 0hi,
>>
>> 2013/6/6 Chow Loong Jin :
>> > On 06/06/2013 06:54, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
>> >> On 2013-06-05 15:02:35 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote:
>> >> [...]
>> >>> Did I miss anything?
>> >>
>> >> I
On Donnerstag, 6. Juni 2013, Russ Allbery wrote:
> udev sucks! Debian should hire a developer to replace all uses of CDBS
> with dh! Perl should be replaced with Python in essential! All packages
> need to switch to 3.0 (quilt)! Native packages should be banned! No one
> should ever be allowed
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:34:35AM +0200, Bjoern Meier wrote:
> 0hi,
>
> 2013/6/6 Chow Loong Jin :
> > On 06/06/2013 06:54, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> >> On 2013-06-05 15:02:35 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>> Did I miss anything?
> >>
> >> I don't understand at all how you could h
0hi,
2013/6/6 Chow Loong Jin :
> On 06/06/2013 06:54, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
>> On 2013-06-05 15:02:35 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Did I miss anything?
>>
>> I don't understand at all how you could have missed such a prime
>> opportunity to rile up the vi vs. emacs debate while
On 06/06/2013 06:54, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> On 2013-06-05 15:02:35 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote:
> [...]
>> Did I miss anything?
>
> I don't understand at all how you could have missed such a prime
> opportunity to rile up the vi vs. emacs debate while you were at
> it... or am I showing my
Quoting Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org):
> udev sucks! Debian should hire a developer to replace all uses of CDBS
> with dh! Perl should be replaced with Python in essential! All packages
> need to switch to 3.0 (quilt)! Native packages should be banned! No one
> should ever be allowed to NMU
Paul Wise writes:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Svante Signell wrote:
>> I'm open to suggestions, what do you need help with?
> There is never any shortage of RC bugs:
> http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
> http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi
Help porting Apache modules to Apache 2.4 woul
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Svante Signell wrote:
> I'm open to suggestions, what do you need help with?
There is never any shortage of RC bugs:
http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi
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On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 03:02:35PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Did I miss anything?
We should seriously start looking at replacing gcc with clang in
build-essential in case we run out of flamewars.
Michael
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Am Mittwoch, den 05.06.2013, 15:02 -0700 schrieb Russ Allbery:
> Svante Signell writes:
>
> > Not everybody agrees to that, there is a split opinion about this.
> > Please lift this discussion a little higher: Which would be the default
> > desktop for jessie?
>
> Because we weren't having enoug
On 2013-06-05 15:02:35 -0700 (-0700), Russ Allbery wrote:
[...]
> Did I miss anything?
I don't understand at all how you could have missed such a prime
opportunity to rile up the vi vs. emacs debate while you were at
it... or am I showing my age?
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On 5 June 2013 23:42, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * Russ Allbery , 2013-06-05, 15:02:
>
>> udev sucks! Debian should hire a developer to replace all uses of CDBS
>> with dh! Perl should be replaced with Python in essential! All packages
>> need to switch to 3.0 (quilt)! Native packages should be banne
* Russ Allbery , 2013-06-05, 15:02:
udev sucks! Debian should hire a developer to replace all uses of CDBS
with dh! Perl should be replaced with Python in essential! All
packages need to switch to 3.0 (quilt)! Native packages should be
banned! No one should ever be allowed to NMU anything
On 5 June 2013 23:02, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Svante Signell writes:
>
>> Not everybody agrees to that, there is a split opinion about this.
>> Please lift this discussion a little higher: Which would be the default
>> desktop for jessie?
>
> Because we weren't having enough fun with systemd vs. up
Svante Signell writes:
> On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 15:02 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> No one should ever be allowed to NMU anything ever if the maintainer
>> says no!
> Sorry, I decided not to answer, but I cannot resist this one. It seems
> overly restrictive. Are you serious, what would be the pu
On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 15:02 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Svante Signell writes:
> No one
> should ever be allowed to NMU anything ever if the maintainer says no!
Sorry, I decided not to answer, but I cannot resist this one. It seems
overly restrictive. Are you serious, what would be the purpose
Svante Signell writes:
> Not everybody agrees to that, there is a split opinion about this.
> Please lift this discussion a little higher: Which would be the default
> desktop for jessie?
Because we weren't having enough fun with systemd vs. upstart and the MTA
discussion. :) Maybe if we can s
On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 23:52 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 05.06.2013 23:47, schrieb Svante Signell:
> > On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 21:53 +0200, Anton Gladky wrote:
> >> Hi,
...
> Svante, it's nice that you have an opinion on each and everything. But
> maybe it would be more productive to talk less an
Am 05.06.2013 23:47, schrieb Svante Signell:
> On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 21:53 +0200, Anton Gladky wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 06/05/2013 09:15 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
>>> Gnome3 was controverse discussed in many media, so
>>> "Take it or make your move and change it?" It is that hard, to build a
>>> dialog
On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 21:53 +0200, Anton Gladky wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 06/05/2013 09:15 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote:
> > Gnome3 was controverse discussed in many media, so
> > "Take it or make your move and change it?" It is that hard, to build a
> > dialog and ask for a desktop? You have the choice, but
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