soft rules (Re: Delegation for the Release Team)

2014-01-07 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 6. Januar 2014, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I disagree that we should have *rules* because, given the social > context, I find it important to leave space to adapt to each case. there are (and/or can be) soft rules too, which allow exactly that. just saying, Holger signatur

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 04:47:46PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > > I think that it would make more sense if a current member of the release team > filed that bug on behalf of the release team. I agree and need to say that I am surprised to read so many emails complaining for the release team,

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 06:46:02PM +0100, gregor herrmann wrote: > Looking into the d-d-a archives, I find something about NMUs during > BSPs in May 2007 (<20070513172244.ga14...@solar.ftbfs.de>) for the > last time, and then (and since then, e.g. > <47ccf6ce.7050...@debian.org> in March 2008) the

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 12:26:14 -0500 Michael Gilbert wrote: > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Re: Delegation for the Release Team"): > >> On 06/01/14 at 11:56 +, Neil McGovern wrote: > >> > Explicitly aga

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread gregor herrmann
On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:24:40 +, Ian Jackson wrote: FWIW, I have no strong opinion if something about NMU rules should be in the RT delegation; just adding some experiences / data points: > > Do you see a problem with the current NMU recommended practices, that > > you would like to fix? [...

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Ian Jackson wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Re: Delegation for the Release Team"): >> On 06/01/14 at 11:56 +, Neil McGovern wrote: >> > Explicitly again: Please see the last 7 years worth of bits mails, where >> > the r

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 06/01/14 at 15:24 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Re: Delegation for the Release Team"): > > Also, I'm surprised that you didn't comment on the last part of my mail. > > (Regarding the TC.) Well, of course I'm on the TC and the TC h

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Re: Delegation for the Release Team"): > On 06/01/14 at 12:59 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Given Lucas's attitude, I would like to suggest to the release team > > that they file a bug against the the Developers' Reference, containi

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 06/01/14 at 12:59 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Re: Delegation for the Release Team"): > > On 06/01/14 at 11:56 +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > > Explicitly again: Please see the last 7 years worth of bits mails, where > > > the r

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Re: Delegation for the Release Team"): > On 06/01/14 at 11:56 +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > Explicitly again: Please see the last 7 years worth of bits mails, where > > the release team have lowered this without advance notice, for BSPs etc. ..

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 06/01/14 at 11:56 +, Neil McGovern wrote: > On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 01:23:42PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > > I'd like to note that the discussion on this delegation was inconclusive > > on a couple of points: > > > > 1) it does not include anything about defining rules for NMU

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2014-01-06 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 01:23:42PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > I'd like to note that the discussion on this delegation was inconclusive > on a couple of points: > > 1) it does not include anything about defining rules for NMU delays. > > The last time the NMU "policy" was changed was in 201

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2013-12-26 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/26/2013 09:35 AM, Adam D. Barratt wrote: > On Thu, 2013-12-26 at 09:02 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > >> It's seemed intuitively obvious to me that a "release goal" could >> equally be defined as "a new criterion by which a package can be >> ju

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2013-12-26 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Thu, 2013-12-26 at 09:02 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > It's seemed intuitively obvious to me that a "release goal" could > equally be defined as "a new criterion by which a package can be judged > to be RC-buggy". One of the defining points of release goals (at least as they've historically exis

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2013-12-26 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/26/2013 07:23 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 26/12/13 at 13:20 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > >> Dear Developers, >> >> It is my great pleasure and honor to officialize the existence and >> the powers of one of Debian's most important teams:

Re: Delegation for the Release Team

2013-12-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 26/12/13 at 13:20 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Dear Developers, > > It is my great pleasure and honor to officialize the existence and the > powers of one of Debian's most important teams: the Release Team. Hi, I'd like to note that the discussion on this delegation was inconclusive on a co