On Sáb 28 Ene 2012 02:28:25 Russ Allbery escribió:
[snip]
2. Build and upload this version of the package. Now wait for all the
buildds to fail (because they will, on probably nearly every other
architecture than your local one).
Sometimes we may expect FTBFSs due to changes in other
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [120127 22:30]:
Symbol files are nice if you have a upstream who doesn't always take
binary compatibility that serious (which is probably the case for 75% of
upstreamers). Then you have a list that helps you finding out.
This is probably the best summary of
On 2012-01-28, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
5. It's still not clear that the benefit is worth the amount of effort,
since I expect most C++ libraries to require frequent SONAME changes
anyway, which means that the long-term binary compatibility angle of
Qt has kept binary
Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes:
* Russ Allbery r...@debian.org [120127 22:30]:
This is probably the best summary of why a symbols file might be
useful. It helps catch cases where ABI compatibility is not maintained
without people being aware that this broke.
On the other hand a
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:49:06PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2012-01-26, Thomas Weber twe...@debian.org wrote:
I'm currently creating symbol files for Octave in Debian. And quite
frankly, the way symbol files for C++ libraries are handled and
(especially) documented is totally
Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes:
On 2012-01-26, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
But that feels like a result contrary to what I had previously thought
was the intended direction, so I wanted to ask the Debian development
community as a whole: am I missing something? Are these
Okay, I've spent parts of another couple of days working on this using the
pkg-kde-tools infrastructure, and I think I can draw some more
conclusions.
First of all, for those who haven't explored the pkg-kde-tools
infrastructure for this, it looks like the effective process goes
something like
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 08:58:55AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012, Russ Allbery wrote:
4. Once I had a symbols file that resulted in a successful build and that
I could have uploaded, I started thinking about how I was going to
maintain it. With a C program,
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:53:04PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
I'm currently working on the Policy modification to document (and
recommend) use of symbols instead of shlibs, but I'd only personally used
symbols with C libraries. Today I decided that I should try adding a
symbols file to a C++
On 2012-01-26, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
But that feels like a result contrary to what I had previously thought was
the intended direction, so I wanted to ask the Debian development
community as a whole: am I missing something? Are these symbols files
actually useful?
Symbol files
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012, Russ Allbery wrote:
4. Once I had a symbols file that resulted in a successful build and that
I could have uploaded, I started thinking about how I was going to
maintain it. With a C program, I would change the symbols
On 26/01/2012 09:08, Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2012-01-26, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
But that feels like a result contrary to what I had previously thought was
the intended direction, so I wanted to ask the Debian development
community as a whole: am I missing something? Are these
On Do, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:26:15 (CET), Jérémy Lal wrote:
[...]
About what i wonder (since i'm not c++ expert) if abi-compliance-checker
is serious enough to be used to decide soname bumps ?
http://www.upstream-tracker.org/
Thank you very much for pointing out this service. It surely is very
On 26/01/2012 14:53, Russ Allbery wrote:
5. The exported symbols of the library contained many symbols that
obviously weren't really from that library, but instead were artifacts
of the C++ compilation process, things like instantiations of
std::vector. Do those go into the symbols
On 2012-01-26, Jérémy Lal kapo...@melix.org wrote:
About what i wonder (since i'm not c++ expert) if abi-compliance-checker
is serious enough to be used to decide soname bumps ?
http://www.upstream-tracker.org/
The abi checker that iirc is hosted somewhere underneath linuxfoundation
is
On 2012-01-26, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
I certainly believe there are carefully-maintained C++ libraries that are
more conservative and that go to the required effort to make this work
properly, and KDE is probably an excellent example of a large C++ project
with enough C++ experts
On 2012-01-26, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@debian.org wrote:
(c++|regex)MediaInfoLib::MediaInfo::Count_Get\(MediaInfoLib::stream_t,
unsigned (int|long)\)@Base 0.7.52
(subst)MediaInfoLib::MediaInfo::Count_Get(MediaInfoLib::stream_t
{size_t})@base 0.7.52
note that you might actually want to use the
On 26/01/2012 17:06, Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2012-01-26, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@debian.org wrote:
(c++|regex)MediaInfoLib::MediaInfo::Count_Get\(MediaInfoLib::stream_t,
unsigned (int|long)\)@Base 0.7.52
(subst)MediaInfoLib::MediaInfo::Count_Get(MediaInfoLib::stream_t
{size_t})@base 0.7.52
On 2012-01-26, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@debian.org wrote:
(subst)MediaInfoLib::MediaInfo::Count_Get(MediaInfoLib::stream_t
{size_t})@base 0.7.52
That feature has not been implemented, and its bug[1] has been tagged won=
tfix.
it's available in pkg-kde-tools as mentioned at other places in
* Russ Allbery:
I'm currently working on the Policy modification to document (and
recommend) use of symbols instead of shlibs, but I'd only personally used
symbols with C libraries. Today I decided that I should try adding a
symbols file to a C++ library, particularly if I'm going to
On Jue 26 Ene 2012 05:08:07 Sune Vuorela escribió:
[snip]
Am I missing some trick to make them useful?
You miss pkgkde-symbolshelper written by the fabulous Modestas Vainius
which is available in pkg-kde-tools.
http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
+1. As Sune said in other
* From: Russ Allbery, Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:53:04 -0800
4. Once I had a symbols file that resulted in a successful build and
that I could have uploaded, I started thinking about how I was going
to maintain it. With a C program, I would change the symbols file
versions when the underlying
Bernhard R. Link brl...@debian.org writes:
How many upstream are there that try to achieve ABI equivalence?
Usually people only try to achieve ABI compability, i.e. programs
compiled against the old version will work with the new one, but there
is no garantee that programs compiled against
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 08:08:07AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
Am I missing some trick to make them useful?
You miss pkgkde-symbolshelper written by the fabulous Modestas Vainius
which is available in pkg-kde-tools.
http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
I'm currently creating
On 2012-01-26, Thomas Weber twe...@debian.org wrote:
I'm currently creating symbol files for Octave in Debian. And quite
frankly, the way symbol files for C++ libraries are handled and
(especially) documented is totally frustrating.
There's exactly zero precise documentation on how to
I'm currently working on the Policy modification to document (and
recommend) use of symbols instead of shlibs, but I'd only personally used
symbols with C libraries. Today I decided that I should try adding a
symbols file to a C++ library, particularly if I'm going to recommend
everyone do it. I
Hi,
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012, Russ Allbery wrote:
4. Once I had a symbols file that resulted in a successful build and that
I could have uploaded, I started thinking about how I was going to
maintain it. With a C program, I would change the symbols file
versions when the underlying
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