On 2012-09-12, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Wookey wrote:
I'd be happy if xfce was the default.
I would be happy if we threw away the concept of a default desktop
and left that choice to people who do installs or downloading of live
images.
yes please.
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 08:15 +, Sune Vuorela a écrit :
On 2012-09-12, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
I would be happy if we threw away the concept of a default desktop
and left that choice to people who do installs or downloading of live
images.
yes please.
Seconded.
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Paul Wise p...@debian.org (12/09/2012):
I would be happy if we threw away the concept of a default desktop
and left that choice to people who do installs or downloading of live
images.
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:02:28AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Wookey wrote:
I'd be happy if xfce was the default.
I would be happy if we threw away the concept of a default desktop
and left that choice to people who do installs or downloading of live
images.
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 11:03 +0100, Darac Marjal a écrit :
Isn't the whole concept of default desktop just a matter of which
desktop is included on CD1? Are you proposing that Debian switches to a
series of CD1s (Debian Ghome Edition, Debian KDE Edition, Debian XFCE
Edition etc) or
On Mi, 12 sep 12, 12:16:50, Josselin Mouette wrote:
So the real question is being able to choose the desktop from the
installer instead of having to pre-seed this choice.
Assuming a user that has no idea what Gnome/KDE/Xfce/LXDE or even a
Desktop Environment is, what should happen if the
On 12/09/12 12:16, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 11:03 +0100, Darac Marjal a écrit :
Isn't the whole concept of default desktop just a matter of which
desktop is included on CD1? Are you proposing that Debian switches to a
series of CD1s (Debian Ghome Edition, Debian
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 13:39 +0300, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
Assuming a user that has no idea what Gnome/KDE/Xfce/LXDE or even a
Desktop Environment is, what should happen if the user makes no choice
at all?
What we have now: a sensible default.
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Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 12:40 +0200, Jerome BENOIT a écrit :
What does it happen when no internet connection is available (no access to
internet,
no supported driver for the net card) ?
This case is certainly as anecdotic as CD1, but somehow in this situation CD1
can be very useful
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 01:34:38PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 13:39 +0300, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
Assuming a user that has no idea what Gnome/KDE/Xfce/LXDE or even a
Desktop Environment is, what should happen if the user makes no choice
at all?
On Mi, 12 sep 12, 13:34:38, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 13:39 +0300, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
Assuming a user that has no idea what Gnome/KDE/Xfce/LXDE or even a
Desktop Environment is, what should happen if the user makes no choice
at all?
What we have
On 12/09/12 13:38, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 12:40 +0200, Jerome BENOIT a écrit :
What does it happen when no internet connection is available (no access to
internet,
no supported driver for the net card) ?
This case is certainly as anecdotic as CD1, but somehow
On 12/09/2012 15:53, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
Claiming that ``What is on CD1 is really anecdotic, since most people use (or
should
use) the netinst'' really sounds as claim of a newbie who has never installed
Debian
on a computer. So do not be surprised to get newbie like responses.
Hi:
On 12/09/12 16:36, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
On 12/09/2012 15:53, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
Claiming that ``What is on CD1 is really anecdotic, since most people use (or
should
use) the netinst'' really sounds as claim of a newbie who has never installed
Debian
on a computer. So do not
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 11:03 +0100, Darac Marjal a écrit :
Isn't the whole concept of default desktop just a matter of which
desktop is included on CD1? Are you proposing that Debian switches to a
series of CD1s (Debian Ghome
gnome-panel 3.x a continuation of the existing
environment is purely bad faith.
Speaking of which, Ubuntu (according to Jeremy) disabled the “booh, bad
luck, gnome classic mode” warning at first login. Do we want to do the
same? As I said on IRC, I'm probably biased since I do quite a lot of
testing
, with the default installation.
Not considering gnome-panel 3.x a continuation of the existing
environment is purely bad faith.
Speaking of which, Ubuntu (according to Jeremy) disabled the “booh, bad
luck, gnome classic mode” warning at first login.
Do you mean the warning about the lack of 3D support
the login manager, with the default installation.
Not considering gnome-panel 3.x a continuation of the existing
environment is purely bad faith.
Speaking of which, Ubuntu (according to Jeremy) disabled the “booh, bad
luck, gnome classic mode” warning at first login. Do we want to do the
same? As I
Thomas Goirand writes (Re: Gnome classic mode):
Another thing: upstream decided to display a warning. I'm not sure it is
the role of Debian to decide they are wrong.
One of the points of having a distro is that a distro (being an entity
with a better view of the bigger picture and a closer
Le mardi 11 septembre 2012 à 15:58 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit :
I'm not sure of my actual opinion about the warning because I'm not
sure of the technical background. But I think Debian should try to be
remain good and useable even on machines with poor or no 3D graphics
support, and not be
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: Gnome classic mode):
Le mardi 11 septembre 2012 à 15:58 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit :
I'm not sure of my actual opinion about the warning because I'm not
sure of the technical background. But I think Debian should try to be
remain good and useable even
On 09/11/2012 12:55 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: Gnome classic mode):
Can we move on now? I don’t even understand how a *one-time warning*
explaining a user that his desktop will look different from what he
might obtain on another Debian machine can even be a serious
On 11/09/2012 11:32, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 11 septembre 2012 à 15:58 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit :
I'm not sure of my actual opinion about the warning because I'm not
sure of the technical background. But I think Debian should try to be
remain good and useable even on machines with
On 09/11/2012 01:11 PM, Ben Armstrong wrote:
every time the live image is booted they will see this image unless they
happen to be using
^
I meant to say see this error message, not see this image. ugh. crappy
proofing, sorry.
Ben
+++ Jonathan Carter [2012-09-11 12:34 -0400]:
On 11/09/2012 11:32, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Can we move on now? I don’t even understand how a *one-time warning*
explaining a user that his desktop will look different from what he
might obtain on another Debian machine can even be a serious
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Wookey wrote:
I'd be happy if xfce was the default. Which is better depends if one
prefers 'dull-but-works-everywhere' over
'shiny-but-not-universaly-liked'. I can see reasonable arguments in
favour of either.
Robustness is a rather important/lofty goal
On 09/11/2012 02:22 PM, Wookey wrote:
If the message tells people to select 'gnome classic' in the logon
menu to make it go away then that seems reasonable to me.
Again, not really an option for our live images. Two obvious options are:
1. Modify the live image to silently fail over to gnome
Wookey woo...@wookware.org (11/09/2012):
If the message tells people to select 'gnome classic' in the logon
menu to make it go away then that seems reasonable to me.
That's not needed; I did write “at first login”. (For those who wonder, the
fact it's been displayed is then stored in dconf, see
* Ian Jackson:
So if it works just fine without the 3D I don't understand what the
warning is for.
It's a separate desktop environment, and not lust a lack of visual
effects. None of the Javascript parts work in fallback mode because
GNOME Shell isn't running.
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 01:38:08PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Wookey wrote:
I'd be happy if xfce was the default. Which is better depends if one
prefers 'dull-but-works-everywhere' over
'shiny-but-not-universaly-liked'. I can see reasonable arguments in
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Philipp Kern wrote:
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 01:38:08PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Wookey wrote:
I'd be happy if xfce was the default. Which is better depends if one
prefers 'dull-but-works-everywhere' over
Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org (12/09/2012):
Does it support accessibility? Just because you quote that we're universal…
Last I heard (and if my memory is right, which probably isn't the case, so
please double check), a11y should work more or less, but with xfce = 4.10.
That's what's in
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Wookey wrote:
I'd be happy if xfce was the default.
I would be happy if we threw away the concept of a default desktop
and left that choice to people who do installs or downloading of live
images.
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