Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

Hi! Steve McIntyre: > While the bugs are annoying, what worries me more is that they were > only spotted in release builds. There had been testing versions of > live images available for multiple weeks beforehand, presumably with > the same bugs included. (Almost) none of them reported. This

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

Hi, On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:08:21 +0100 Steve McIntyre wrote: > While the bugs are annoying, what worries me more is that they were > only spotted in release builds. There had been testing versions of > live images available for multiple weeks beforehand, presumably with > the

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

Russell Stuart wrote: >On Wed, 2017-07-12 at 21:00 +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: >> >> In short, this alone use-case answers Steve's original question which >> was primarily are there any users who use or would use this tool or >> his time would be better spent somewhere else. I think just

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

On Wed, 2017-07-12 at 21:00 +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > On 12/07/2017, Fernando Toledo wrote: > > Our Use-case: > > > > We develop a derivated distro from Debian called Huayra GNU/Linux, > > this is for educational program of government in Argentina. This > > big

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

at bottom :- On 12/07/2017, Fernando Toledo wrote: > El 26/06/17 a las 11:08, Steve McIntyre escribió: >> [ Note the cross-posting... ] >> >> Hey folks, >> > > Our Use-case: > > We develop a derivated distro from Debian called Huayra GNU/Linux, this > is for educational

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

El 26/06/17 a las 11:08, Steve McIntyre escribió: > [ Note the cross-posting... ] > > Hey folks, > Our Use-case: We develop a derivated distro from Debian called Huayra GNU/Linux, this is for educational program of government in Argentina. This big program ship around 5 millons of netbooks to

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

[ dropping x-post to -desktop ] On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 03:00:55PM +1000, Michael . wrote: I must admit I am concerned about this reluctance "to go into details". This type of thing keeps people in the dark and that is something I do not support. There is no need to go over all the details but

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

On 07/05/2017 07:00 AM, Michael . wrote: > Thomas it is all fine and good to say "(lets not go into details why > this happened)" but the details support the reality of the situation. > Please read (https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg8.html) > and see where Iain says > >>>It is

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

Thomas it is all fine and good to say "(lets not go into details why this happened)" but the details support the reality of the situation. Please read (https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg8.html) and see where Iain says >>It is worth noting that live-build is not a Debian

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

On 06/27/2017 11:53 PM, Michael . wrote: > Charles, let me clear up a couple of misconceptions for you. Debian Live > (made with Live Wrapper) is an official Debian project. Live Build (the > old Debian Live) apparently wasn't official but was recognised by Debian > for its official images. Live

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

prav...@onenetbeyond.org wrote: >> If our live images are going to be good enough to meet the standards >> that Debian users deserve and expect, we need *consistent*, >> *sustained* involvement from a lot more people. Please tell me if >> you're going to help. If we don't see a radical improvement

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

On Jul 3, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > arm64 > live images are on my todo list already for the buster cycle. Great! Will they work with RaspberryPi-3? Rick

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 04:25:48AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > >On Jul 3, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> arm64 >> live images are on my todo list already for the buster cycle. > >Great! Will they work with RaspberryPi-3? I honestly have no idea. :-) Let's find

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 02:09:00PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: >I'm a user and a tester, not a dev, and I know nothing (and don't >want to know anything) about the personal politics between Debian >developers.  So that's all I'll say on that subject. > >To Steve's original point: > >First, a big

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 03:47:13PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: >On 26/06/2017, Steve McIntyre wrote: ... >> If our live images are going to be good enough to meet the standards >> that Debian users deserve and expect, we need *consistent*, >> *sustained* involvement from a lot

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

On തിങ്കള്‍ 26 ജൂണ്‍ 2017 07:38 വൈകു, Steve McIntyre wrote: > If our live images are going to be good enough to meet the standards > that Debian users deserve and expect, we need *consistent*, > *sustained* involvement from a lot more people. Please tell me if > you're going to help. If we don't

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

Charles, let me clear up a couple of misconceptions for you. Debian Live (made with Live Wrapper) is an official Debian project. Live Build (the old Debian Live) apparently wasn't official but was recognised by Debian for its official images. Live Build is now officially part of Debian and Rafael

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

And I'll add my 2¢ as an end user. The live images exist IMHO to test compatibility before committing to installation, and to install what was just tested and demonstrated, regardless of environment. It's a nice feature (arguably an essential feature) that the actual install mirror *exactly*

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

at bottom :- On 26/06/2017, Steve McIntyre wrote: > [ Note the cross-posting... ] > > Hey folks, > > Background: we released live images for Stretch using new tooling, > namely live-wrapper. It is better than what we had before (live-build) > in a number of ways, particularly

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

Hello Steve, thanks for your work on this task. I myself use it from time to time to show how Debian can looks like without installing at the target machine. So I have USB Sticks with me (with the inofficial non-free image). Kind regards Mechtilde Am 26.06.2017 um 16:08 schrieb Steve

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 02:09:00PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > PS: On a related topic: What I think would be really cool, would be > Debian Live images for some of the ARM architectures. Something I could > dd to a USB stick and boot right away when I get a new box in for testing. > Even cooler

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

I'm a user and a tester, not a dev, and I know nothing (and don't want to know anything) about the personal politics between Debian developers. So that's all I'll say on that subject. To Steve's original point: First, a big THANK YOU! to Steve for taking this job on. I, for one, an grateful.

Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

I'm not a dev but I am a user and I do test so I'll add my bit here. Let's be frank Live Wrapper only exists because of animosity within Debian towards the originator of Live Build (and to be honest his own lack of concern for what Debian required of Live Build). Live Wrapper was rushed and was

IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

[ Note the cross-posting... ] Hey folks, Background: we released live images for Stretch using new tooling, namely live-wrapper. It is better than what we had before (live-build) in a number of ways, particularly in terms of build reliability and some important new features (e.g. UEFI support).