Dnia 2012-07-01, nie o godzinie 08:24 -0400, Kevin Mark pisze:
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:34:01AM +1000, Craig Small wrote:
I'd go even further and say that the reason why people start on
something generally in Free Software projects is to scratch their itch
which in Debian could well mean
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:34:01AM +1000, Craig Small wrote:
pet projects as the price we need to pay to make participation in
Debian very attractive (not even talking about the role that pet
That's a good way of putting it. Also who can predict what is really a
pet project. I bet the
Michael Hanke writes (Re: Improving our response to duplicate packages in
Debian):
I think this is approaching the problem from the wrong end. Instead of
preserving the status quo and asking oracles to predict the future we
should have better means of _removing_ software that has proven
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 04:42:10PM +0200, Guus Sliepen wrote:
I believe our current way of responding to ITPs for software that
duplicates the functionality other software that is already in Debian
is wrong. We have a very lengthy discussion everytime such an ITP
happen, but usually they
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:34:01AM +1000, Craig Small wrote:
I'd go even further and say that the reason why people start on
something generally in Free Software projects is to scratch their itch
which in Debian could well mean packaing your favourite piece of
software.
Has anyone quantized
Le Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:24:27AM -0400, Kevin Mark a écrit :
Has anyone quantized the % of tasks that a DD/DM does that are outside of
their
pet projects? Meaning, once they get their itch scratched, how far outside of
their main reason for joining Debian, do they explore? Would it be
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:18:49PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
I would go even 1 step further and seek from a perspective maintainer,
especially a non-DD/DM, at least some assurance that it is not a
fire-and-forget project for him (e.g. that he is using it extensively
and planing to do so
Hi,
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 08:41:07AM +0200, Michael Hanke wrote:
I think this is approaching the problem from the wrong end. Instead of
preserving the status quo and asking oracles to predict the future we
should have better means of _removing_ software that has proven to be
inferior of an
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 08:24:27AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
Has anyone quantized the % of tasks that a DD/DM does that are outside of
their
pet projects? Meaning, once they get their itch scratched, how far outside of
their main reason for joining Debian, do they explore? Would it be useful
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:
Is this [“game-ify”] yet another new word?
It's a neologism, yes URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamification.
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 09:24:25AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 28 juin 2012 à 16:42 +0200, Guus Sliepen a écrit :
- Don't immediately start complaining to the submitter of the ITP. Just let
the submitter devote his/her energy to packaging.
I don’t think it is worthwile to
On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, Michael Hanke m...@debian.org wrote:
I think this is approaching the problem from the wrong end. Instead of
preserving the status quo and asking oracles to predict the future we
should have better means of removing software that has proven to be
inferior of an equivalent
on other
maintainers.
Thanks.
Prince Annan Koomson.
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On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 08:41:07AM +0200, Michael Hanke wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 09:24:25AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
We really need to find better ways to involve new users in core teams,
and that means removing from our collective consciousness the idea that
you come in Debian
On Donnerstag, 28. Juni 2012, Ben Finney wrote:
It's part of the job of a (prospective) package maintainer to advocate
for the package.
what???
if thats true, I don't want any of my package maintainance jobs. can you
please fire me?
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Le jeudi 28 juin 2012 à 16:42 +0200, Guus Sliepen a écrit :
- Don't immediately start complaining to the submitter of the ITP. Just let
the submitter devote his/her energy to packaging.
I don’t think it is worthwile to let people devote their energy to
packaging pet applications that will
[Holger Levsen]
if thats true, I don't want any of my package maintainance jobs. can
you please fire me?
You've been around awhile. If that is true, you should know how to RFA
or orphan packages and/or retire from the Project. You should know by
now that it isn't up to others to fire you.
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 05:28:45AM +, Bart Martens wrote:
I'm not convinced that the recent additions to the wiki page reflect consensus
in this debate. But I appreciate your attempt to summarize this debate on
that
wiki page. Maybe we should revert the recent changes on that wiki page
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:55:15AM -0600, Holger Levsen wrote:
On Donnerstag, 28. Juni 2012, Ben Finney wrote:
It's part of the job of a (prospective) package maintainer to advocate
for the package.
what???
I don't see anything unreasonable about being able to articulate the
reasons why
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 09:24:25AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 28 juin 2012 à 16:42 +0200, Guus Sliepen a écrit :
- Don't immediately start complaining to the submitter of the ITP. Just let
the submitter devote his/her energy to packaging.
I don’t think it is worthwile to
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 09:24:25AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
We really need to find better ways to involve new users in core teams,
and that means removing from our collective consciousness the idea that
you come in Debian to package your new favorite piece of software.
Unfortunately
I would go even 1 step further and seek from a perspective maintainer,
especially a non-DD/DM, at least some assurance that it is not a
fire-and-forget project for him (e.g. that he is using it extensively
and planing to do so for the next X years) and that he is willing
to put effort in proper
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012, Josselin Mouette wrote:
I don’t think it is worthwile to let people devote their energy to
packaging pet applications that will disappear in 2 years time when they
find another one.
+1
We really need to find better ways to involve new users in core teams,
+1
and that
Hello,
I believe our current way of responding to ITPs for software that duplicates
the functionality other software that is already in Debian is wrong. We have a
very lengthy discussion everytime such an ITP happen, but usually they change
nothing (the submitter just goes ahead with packaging
Hi Guus!
Guus Sliepen wrote:
I believe our current way of responding to ITPs for software that duplicates
the functionality other software that is already in Debian is wrong.
The worst part is that when we say but we already have N frobnicators in
Debian, we don't need an N+1th, we imply
I really like these suggestions.
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Guus Sliepen g...@debian.org writes:
So, I propose our code of conduct when responding to duplicate
software ITPs should be:
- Don't immediately start complaining to the submitter of the ITP. Just let
the submitter devote his/her energy to packaging.
It's part of the job of a
- Research how many similar software packages are there actually in Debian, in
what shape they are, whether they have active upstream and downstream
maintainers. Complain about the worst package in that selection instead.
to address Ben's comments and to possibly distill Guus's nice list
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:24:44AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
Guus Sliepen g...@debian.org writes:
So, I propose our code of conduct when responding to duplicate
software ITPs should be:
- Don't immediately start complaining to the submitter of the ITP. Just let
the submitter devote
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:51:53PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
- Research how many similar software packages are there actually in Debian,
in
what shape they are, whether they have active upstream and downstream
maintainers. Complain about the worst package in that selection
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