On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 09:21:37AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> but as saying goes, "patches gratefully accepted". Whining for developers
> to do extra work via Debian Policy is, well, not.
If patches are actually accepted, that's fine.
But this Policy item currently servers as a tool to _somet
On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 11:10:36AM -0300, Chris Lamb wrote:
> Theodore Ts'o wrote:
>
> > P.S. I'm going to be adding an override in e2fsprogs for
> > package-supports-alternative-init-but-no-init.d-script because it
> > has false positives
>
> Regardless of the specifics of this particular packa
Sam Hartman writes:
>> "Ansgar" == Ansgar Burchardt writes:
> Ansgar> If we have no consensus that doing something is the right
> Ansgar> thing, then lintian should probably not start raising a
> Ansgar> warning about it and one should keep in mind that Policy
> Ansgar> might
Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> P.S. I'm going to be adding an override in e2fsprogs for
> package-supports-alternative-init-but-no-init.d-script because it
> has false positives
Regardless of the specifics of this particular package if Lintian
could feasibly not emit this false-positive, would it surely
Jérémy Lal wrote:
> "Is it the job of Lintian to push an agenda?"
> is a good question, and it would be nice to get a general answer,
> separately from the technical issue about sysvinit scripts.
Difficulties are always inherent in shipping any opinionated linter to
people w
On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 02:22:01PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Matthias Klumpp writes:
>
> > With two Debian stable releases defaulting to systemd now, I think a
> > solid case could be made to at least relax the "must" requirement to a
> > "should" in policy (but that should better go to the re
> "Ansgar" == Ansgar Burchardt writes:
Ansgar> Russ Allbery writes:
>> Matthias Klumpp writes:
>>> With two Debian stable releases defaulting to systemd now, I
>>> think a solid case could be made to at least relax the "must"
>>> requirement to a "should" in policy (but th
Russ Allbery writes:
> Matthias Klumpp writes:
>> With two Debian stable releases defaulting to systemd now, I think a
>> solid case could be made to at least relax the "must" requirement to a
>> "should" in policy (but that should better go to the respective bug
>> report).
>
> The Policy process
Hello,
On Sat 13 Jul 2019 at 11:10PM +02, Jérémy Lal wrote:
> the question
> "Is it the job of Lintian to push an agenda?"
> is a good question, and it would be nice to get a general answer,
> separately from the technical issue about sysvinit scripts.
I think that it i
Hello,
On Sat 13 Jul 2019 at 02:22PM -07, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Matthias Klumpp writes:
>
>> With two Debian stable releases defaulting to systemd now, I think a
>> solid case could be made to at least relax the "must" requirement to a
>> "should" in policy (but that should better go to the resp
Russ Allbery writes:
> The Policy process is not equipped to deal with this because that
> process requires fairly consensus, and I don't believe that's possible
> to reach on this topic.
Argh. That should have been "fairly strong consensus" and fell victim to
last-minute editing.
--
Russ All
Matthias Klumpp writes:
> With two Debian stable releases defaulting to systemd now, I think a
> solid case could be made to at least relax the "must" requirement to a
> "should" in policy (but that should better go to the respective bug
> report).
The Policy process is not equipped to deal with
Hi,
the question
"Is it the job of Lintian to push an agenda?"
is a good question, and it would be nice to get a general answer,
separately from the technical issue about sysvinit scripts.
Jérémy
Am Sa., 13. Juli 2019 um 22:04 Uhr schrieb Vincent Bernat :
>
> ❦ 13 juillet 2019 11:52 -07, Russ Allbery :
>
> >> Previously, we had a sort of agreement (through the TC decision) that
> >> such scripts should be maintained by people caring about them and we
> >> should only act on bug reports wit
❦ 13 juillet 2019 11:52 -07, Russ Allbery :
>> Previously, we had a sort of agreement (through the TC decision) that
>> such scripts should be maintained by people caring about them and we
>> should only act on bug reports with proper patches to have them.
>
> I don't agree that this was ever the
Russ Allbery:
>> Thanks to this new Lintian tag, the current situation is that packages
>> won't pass NEW without a SysV init script (unless a FTP-masters ignore
>> this specific tag despite its severity).
> I haven't worked on Lintian in several years, so perhaps my information is
> stale, but at
On Saturday, July 13, 2019 2:52:59 PM EDT Russ Allbery wrote:
> Vincent Bernat writes:
> > Thanks to this new Lintian tag, the current situation is that packages
> > won't pass NEW without a SysV init script (unless a FTP-masters ignore
> > this specific tag despite its severity).
>
> I haven't w
Vincent Bernat writes:
> Lintian got a new tag to enforce Policy 9.11:
> Packages may integrate with these replacement init systems by
> providing implementation-specific configuration information
> about how and when to start a service or in what order to run
> certain tasks at boot time. H
Hey!
Lintian got a new tag to enforce Policy 9.11:
Packages may integrate with these replacement init systems by
providing implementation-specific configuration information
about how and when to start a service or in what order to run
certain tasks at boot time. However, any package integrati
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