Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Montag 16 Oktober 2006 11:34 schrieb Frank Küster: Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even worse, you again have to use KDE or Gnome to take advantage of network-manager. Why are we leaving CLI users out in the cold? Good question.

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-16 Thread Frank Küster
Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even worse, you again have to use KDE or Gnome to take advantage of network-manager. Why are we leaving CLI users out in the cold? Good question. The concept for a cli like this would need many thoughts, though. A GUI makes that a bit easier. It's

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-16 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Montag 16 Oktober 2006 11:34 schrieb Frank Küster: Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even worse, you again have to use KDE or Gnome to take advantage of network-manager. Why are we leaving CLI users out in the cold? Good question. The concept for a cli like this would need many

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-14 Thread Jean-Philippe Garcia Ballester
On Friday 13 October 2006 17:18, John Goerzen wrote: Even worse, you again have to use KDE or Gnome to take advantage of network-manager. Why are we leaving CLI users out in the cold? It is quite possible to use mutt, ssh, and ftp on a laptop. And it's frustrating to know that my network

Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread John Goerzen
Hello, This has been bugging me for some time now, and I'd like to see if we can improve the situation. The main problem is that it's not clear how all this media autodection/automounting works. It's not clear how to enable it, it's not clear how the permissions work, and it's not clear how to

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread Warren Turkal
On Friday 13 October 2006 09:18, John Goerzen wrote:  Why are we leaving CLI users out in the cold? I would guess that no one has developed the requisite components for a CLI interface. This is clearly something that no developers (Debian or otherwise) have picked up as an important or fun

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread Henning Glawe
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 10:18:01AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: But worse -- what if you're not using Gnome or KDE? I can find no way for a user that doesn't use any X applications to take advantage of this automatic support, even if the user is in the plugdev group. I can't even find a way

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 13 octobre 2006 à 10:18 -0500, John Goerzen a écrit : But worse -- what if you're not using Gnome or KDE? I can find no way for a user that doesn't use any X applications to take advantage of this automatic support, even if the user is in the plugdev group. I can't even find a

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Freitag 13 Oktober 2006 17:18 schrieb John Goerzen: This has been bugging me for some time now, and I'd like to see if we can improve the situation. The main problem is that it's not clear how all this media autodection/automounting works. It's not clear how to enable it, it's not clear

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Friday 13 October 2006 17:18, John Goerzen wrote: Even worse, you again have to use KDE or Gnome to take advantage of network-manager. Why are we leaving CLI users out in the cold? It is quite possible to use mutt, ssh, and ftp on a laptop. And it's frustrating to know that my

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 10:57:37PM +0200, Henning Glawe wrote: On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 10:18:01AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: But worse -- what if you're not using Gnome or KDE? I can find no way for a user that doesn't use any X applications to take advantage of this automatic support,

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread John Goerzen
On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 01:32:42AM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: /etc/fstab: if something is marked user, then a user can mount it. You can also look at the permissions of the entry in /dev to see if a user can access it directly. That is still the case Now, apparently, if a user is