On Tue, Mar 27, 2007, Mike Hommey wrote:
I like doing bug triage as well. I guess it is because I am a neat
freak and anal about organization.
Would you still like it if the bug count for one package would number in
hundreds ?
It's easy to have a huge backlog. I believe a more
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 08:12:07AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:38:24PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
People should be given assistance and encouragement in
doing it. I actually like doing it, but I have unfortunately relatively
little time
On 2007-03-27, Roberto C Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In fact, yes. More so, even. The higher the bug count the *greater*
the reward for triaging everything properly. It helps to prevent
getting mired in a sea of bugs.
We still miss around 600 bugs in our backlog:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 10:47:38AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
On 2007-03-27, Roberto C Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In fact, yes. More so, even. The higher the bug count the *greater*
the reward for triaging everything properly. It helps to prevent
getting mired in a sea of bugs.
I've been reading the discussion and trying to thresh something out of it.
Four points and one proposal.
Point 1.
---
Contrary to some assumptions, answering I got your bug report but I can't deal
with it right now is *very* useful, particularly in encouraging people to help.
I've reported
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:12:32PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
If a package has a bug with a *patch* attached, where the *patch* has not
been reviewed on by the maintainer(s) within six months, the package will
be orphaned immediately; the maintainer will not be allowed to adopt it
Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Out of curiousity, what is the algorithm for determining whether a patch
has been reviewed? If it is not an algorithm, per se, then what is the
heuristic?
If the maintainer has sent a message to the bug trail mentioning the patch
sometime after the
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:38:24PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
People should be given assistance and encouragement in
doing it. I actually like doing it, but I have unfortunately relatively
little time (sick family members).
I like doing bug triage as well. I
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 06:50:15PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:37:39AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
snip
I'm tired giving the link again and again, ON THE KDE USER LIST where
it's the most probable place to find users caring about KDE rignt ? I
snip
it gave 0 DAMN
Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
message to its intended target is a hard thing. How about having 'text
ads' on the pages of the Debian site that showcase a 'request for help'
or similar?
I don't like ads. Ads are annoying. That doesn't mean they don't
work. If I need some information
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:12:52AM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote:
Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
message to its intended target is a hard thing. How about having 'text
ads' on the pages of the Debian site that showcase a 'request for help'
or similar?
I don't like ads. Ads are
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
] ] Again, I do not appreciate the latent criticism of the big teams
] ] to
] ] hide their understaff problem. It's blatantly bogus hence iritating,
] ] almost insulting.
] ]
] ] Don't you wonder why it is perceived like that?
On Thursday 08 March 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
It will likely be one of my last post on that matter because I feel
that valuable contributors left it long ago.
gee, thanks for the (probably unintented as the above statement includes
yourself) implied insult
You're (not you Matthias, You
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:12:52AM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote:
Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
message to its intended target is a hard thing. How about having 'text
ads' on the pages of the Debian site that showcase a 'request for help'
or similar?
I don't like ads. Ads are
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 03:43:39PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
snip
It will likely be one of my last post on that matter because I feel
that valuable contributors left it long ago.
Would it be useful to personally email those people and 'ask them why' as
a way to address the issue?
Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I see no harm in addressing the issue in multiple ways. I have no
problem with a FLOSS project 'asking' for help in an ad. I dont like ads
for most other things. People take multiple paths to find stuff. Instead
of assuming that 'if I found it, then
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:49:56PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Like every packaging team in debian, mailing the [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] depending on how old the team is. Usually that list
is in the Maintainer or Uploaders field of
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 11:39:16AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
And if your point is that the current BTS UI sucks, then well, yes I
believe it, and it seems one of our DPL candidates thinks the same
As I've indicated to the DPL candidate who has
Le Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 02:19:17PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit a écrit :
The mail you are answering to was against forums, not really against
the BTS btw.
Bonsoir Pierre,
I have lurked a bit on the ubuntu forums, and found intersting
threads. For instance, some persons wrote about doing a sort
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 10:47:09PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 02:19:17PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit a écrit :
The mail you are answering to was against forums, not really against
the BTS btw.
Bonsoir Pierre,
I have lurked a bit on the ubuntu forums, and found
On Wednesday 07 March 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:49:56PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Like every packaging team in debian, mailing the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or [EMAIL PROTECTED] depending on how old the team is. Usually
cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
So maybe asking for help on debian-kde, where there's people around
who might be convinced to pitch in a little time and effort once or
twice would be more productive. I'm thinking something along the
lines of:
This might have even
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:49:56PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you expect potential helpers to search various list archives or
mail maintainers to ask whether they need help? I would guess only
no I
Matthias Julius, 2007-03-07 11:32:32 -0500 :
It's a matter of how someone arrives at the point where he wants to
help. If he wakes up one morning and thinks I want to help the KDE
team he will probably contact the KDE maintainers. If he thinks
Since 3 years I am using Debian it's time for
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 03:28:45PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
So maybe asking for help on debian-kde, where there's people around who
might be convinced to pitch in a little time and effort once or twice would
be more productive. I'm thinking something along the lines of:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:37:39AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 03:28:45PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
So maybe asking for help on debian-kde, where there's people around who
might be convinced to pitch in a little time and effort once or twice would
Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Matthias Julius, 2007-03-07 11:32:32 -0500 :
It's a matter of how someone arrives at the point where he wants to
help. If he wakes up one morning and thinks I want to help the KDE
team he will probably contact the KDE maintainers. If he thinks
Since 3
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:06:42AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
So to generalise, it seems that there is the choice between seeing
repetitive work done imperfectly by beginners, or never done by
experienced people who are busy doing something else. Definitely the way
the contributors are
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 05:35:43PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
wow, I'm really amazed. For the KDE and Gnome teams (and I'm sure
others did it as well) there was mails requesting help to triage bugs
and so on (from january 2006). Reading this thread
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
And if your point is that the current BTS UI sucks, then well, yes I
believe it, and it seems one of our DPL candidates thinks the same
As I've indicated to the DPL candidate who has mentioned this, and
I'll say again:
If there are specific things
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:27:29PM -0500, David Nusinow
wrote:
Simply replying to a bug won't get it fixed any sooner or
decrease the impact it has on the user. In addition, it
distracts us from doing what is potentially far more
productive work.
Writing a mail to a bug along the lines of
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 10:57:46AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit
wrote:
And I think the list can grow larger just by looking at
the reality, and not dreaming stupid ideas and trying to
defend them.
snip
Just _look_ at that: [0]. I mean _look_, not pretend to.
Instead of answering to that
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:07:33PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
Now, the iceape case is interesting: *you* (as in, the one
complaining about rotting bugs) are also allowed to help
the maintainers instead of whining.
One very positive thing from this thread is the number of
packages / teams that
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007, Jon Dowland wrote:
I think that there is an untapped pool of people who could
help a lot with the triage work, but the question is, where
do they start? How do they know that they are welcome to
start responding to a given packages bugs with some kind of
analysis?
I
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 05:35:43PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:07:33PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
Now, the iceape case is interesting: *you* (as in, the one
complaining about rotting bugs) are also allowed to help
the maintainers instead of whining.
One very
Le Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 07:48:01PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit a écrit :
Like every packaging team in debian, mailing the [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] depending on how old the team is. Usually that list
is in the Maintainer or Uploaders field of the control file.
#debian-$team is also
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 18:57 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
but I would
obviously lessen my implication and work for other teams where I've a
single damn chance to see my contribution to be compareable to the
others.
Better a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond huh?
So
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 09:03:40PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote:
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 18:57 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
but I would
obviously lessen my implication and work for other teams where I've a
single damn chance to see my contribution to be compareable to the
others.
Better
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 06:57:01PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
You forgot a single damn point: in debian, like in many projects, the
one that do things is often the guy that decide things because he's
the one there. If you put people that work 5 times more as me because
they have the time
Le samedi 03 mars 2007 à 10:45 -0500, Theodore Tso a écrit :
Well, Josselin has been very negative about the whole concept of
paying volunteers, and given that he was asking for help, and saying
that his GNOME team was drowning under bug reports, I couldn't help
but reply that if he really was
On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 10:45:47 -0500, Theodore Tso [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
The principle you stated obviously tends to be the case in volunteer
organizations, true. It does not have to be the case of a paid
employee, but yes, even if the maintainer team sets the general
policy and gives
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 10:16:17AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Volunteers volunteer because of non-monetary rewards they gain
from contributing.
Really? I volunteer (in addition to the altruistic reasons) because I
want to learn more about Linux and Debian, which makes me a
On Saturday 03 March 2007, Theodore Tso wrote:
So I understand where people are coming from when they say that they
want Debian to remain 100% fully volunteer. But first of all, that
isn't even true even now; HP is funding some DD's to work mostly on
Debian-related projects, and certainly
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:26:51AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 10:16:17AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Volunteers volunteer because of non-monetary rewards they gain
from contributing.
Really? I volunteer (in addition to the altruistic reasons)
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:50:56AM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
If you're volunteering on a project and someone with more time does all the
work that involves learning, you don't end up learning much because you
don't end up solving much.
On the other hand, if your job involves so much of
On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:26:51 -0500, Roberto C Sanchez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 10:16:17AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Volunteers volunteer because of non-monetary rewards they gain from
contributing.
I should have known better to not guard against nit
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:30:39AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs help?
I can't believe people are thinking such crap.
Please show me where a current
Le vendredi 02 mars 2007 à 08:37 -0500, Theodore Tso a écrit :
So how do you help a maintainer who refuses help if it is paid?
Hahaha, awesome. You don't miss any occasion, do you?
Thanks, you really made my day.
--
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: :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code.
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 08:37:01AM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:30:39AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs help?
I can't believe people
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
I'm not the one who said maintainers don't admit they need help.
And I am not the one who said that Mozilla/KDE/GNOME have enough
manpower.
Who said that?
Don't put words into my mouth.
How about these words:
And how do
#include hallo.h
* Josselin Mouette [Wed, Feb 28 2007, 09:08:42AM]:
Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 02:02 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
#include hallo.h
* Josselin Mouette [Tue, Feb 27 2007, 10:30:39AM]:
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
And how do you help a
#include hallo.h
* Mike Hommey [Wed, Feb 28 2007, 07:52:44PM]:
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 07:26:24PM +0100, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL
PROTECTED] wrote:
Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 18:00 +0100, Sam Hocevar a écrit :
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
But it seems like you maintain
On Thursday 01 March 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
I'm not the one who said maintainers don't admit they need help.
And I am not the one who said that Mozilla/KDE/GNOME have enough
manpower.
Who said that?
Don't put words
On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 14:46 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
I'm not the one who said maintainers don't admit they need help.
And I am not the one who said that Mozilla/KDE/GNOME have enough
manpower.
Who said that?
Don't
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 03:20:24PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
On Thursday 01 March 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
I'm not the one who said maintainers don't admit they need help.
And I am not the one who said
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 09:22 -0500, Greg Folkert a écrit :
Lets all start the Pile-On Joss thing again and watch him explode.
Still talking to yourself?
Hi Joss! How are you doing? Hope you are well!
Fine, I like clowns so much.
--
.''`.
: :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices,
On Thursday 01 March 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 03:20:24PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
wrote:
On Thursday 01 March 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
I'm not the one who said maintainers don't admit
#include hallo.h
* Josselin Mouette [Thu, Mar 01 2007, 02:46:02PM]:
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
I'm not the one who said maintainers don't admit they need help.
And I am not the one who said that Mozilla/KDE/GNOME have enough
manpower.
Who said that?
Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 02:02 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
#include hallo.h
* Josselin Mouette [Tue, Feb 27 2007, 10:30:39AM]:
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs help?
I can't believe
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 09:51:13PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
maintainers not always responsing to bugs, then probably the simplest
thing to do would be to code up a view in the BTS that lists bugs that
have not had a maintainer response (filtering out responses that appear
to be from the bug
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 03:41:57PM -0700, Warren Turkal wrote:
This is from the perspective of a non-DD systems administrator. While most
maintainers are good. Some are pretty lousy with regard to addressing issue
even when one is proactive about finding a solution.
On Monday 26 February
#include hallo.h
* Loïc Minier [Tue, Feb 27 2007, 06:51:05PM]:
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
I already warned you about this privately in december; here's another
Warn? You feel the need to warn me? Does bringing me to STFU make you
happy or so?
No; I warned you not to put
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:10:08 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
The other half of the problem that noone has talked about here yet, is
that the users are as responsive as the maintainers, i.e. pretty badly.
Why do we have rotting unclosed bugs concerning old fixed issues ?
Why don't most users
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
But it seems like you maintain only few simple packages.
Did you really just say that to Loïc Minier?
Amazed,
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Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 18:00 +0100, Sam Hocevar a écrit :
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
But it seems like you maintain only few simple packages.
Did you really just say that to Loïc Minier?
Hey, that's true. He maintains many complicated packages, but only few
simple
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 07:26:24PM +0100, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 18:00 +0100, Sam Hocevar a écrit :
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
But it seems like you maintain only few simple packages.
Did you really just say that to
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 01:19, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
In all fairness, you didn't seem to comment on his response to your
suggestion.
I did comment on his suggestion.
Yes, it should start before NFS because its not just mounting a file system
like NFS. It needs to make the block devices
On 2007-02-27, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
maintainers not always responsing to bugs, then probably the simplest
thing to do would be to code up a view in the BTS that lists bugs that
have not had a maintainer response (filtering out responses that appear
to be from the bug submitter,
#include hallo.h
* Don Armstrong [Mon, Feb 26 2007, 01:55:42PM]:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Andreas Tille wrote:
A maintainer who refuses to respond to a reasonable bug report of a
user does not deserve any user.
It's not a case of maintainers refusing to respond, it's a case of
some
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Ben Finney wrote:
Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- an indication the effort of submitting a bug report is apreciated
- an indication the effort will _not_ be ignored in the long run
- an indication
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Ben Finney wrote:
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
SO rather than sending excuses-templates, when I've had time to check
the bug is actually there, I do use the confirmed tag to:
* ack this is an actual bug ;
* ack that I've been able to
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs help?
I can't believe people are thinking such crap.
Please show me where a current maintainer of Mozilla, KDE, GNOME, the
glibc, the kernel, X.org or any such big
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs
help?
Please show me where a current maintainer of Mozilla, KDE, GNOME, the
glibc, the kernel, X.org or any
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:04:47AM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs
help?
WTF ?!
YES. WE
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:04:47AM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
wrote:
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
Who is not acknowledging such obvious
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:37:56PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:04:47AM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
wrote:
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à
Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If I receive automatic notification from the BTS that the maintainer
has attached a confirmed tag to the bug, that is plenty of
acknowledgement.
or pending, upstream, wontfix, help or change in severity.
Any of those actions indicates that someone is
* Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-26 21:51:13 -0500]:
If someone would actually like to do something about the problem of
maintainers not always responsing to bugs, then probably the simplest
thing to do would be to code up a view in the BTS that lists bugs that
have not had a maintainer
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
I already warned you about this privately in december; here's another
Warn? You feel the need to warn me? Does bringing me to STFU make you
happy or so?
No; I warned you not to put everybody in the same bag in the same
pointless discussion that was
#include hallo.h
* Loïc Minier [Mon, Feb 26 2007, 01:32:50PM]:
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
A good example already comes to my mind where the maintainer
is doing uploads but only for bugs that have RC priority or important
and are easy to fix. Not matching this
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
people are more likely to help you fix a problem if they are
directly affected by it (cause people tend to scratch their own
itches).
That's the theory. My experience for KDE bugs, is that something
like 60 to
OoO En cette nuit nuageuse du mardi 27 février 2007, vers 01:04, Russ
Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] disait:
Maintaining packages should be fun and rewarding too. Punishing people
for not doing something that we think is important has its place, but only
sparingly.
Reporting bug should be fun
Vincent Bernat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] disait:
Maintaining packages should be fun and rewarding too. Punishing people
for not doing something that we think is important has its place, but
only sparingly.
Reporting bug should be fun too. Not getting an
#include hallo.h
* Josselin Mouette [Tue, Feb 27 2007, 10:30:39AM]:
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs help?
I can't believe people are thinking such crap.
Please show me where a current
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
#include hallo.h
* Don Armstrong [Mon, Feb 26 2007, 01:55:42PM]:
I'm open to suggestions of real solutions to this problem,
(indeed, I continue to suggest that interested people jump in and
help out) but technical hurdles for maintainers to
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Ben Finney wrote:
Sune Vuorela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[snip]
[Frankly, if you're concerned about whether someone has seen your
mail, surely the ack from the BTS is sufficent.
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Hi Folks,
Am Mo den 26. Feb 2007 um 3:03 schrieb Pierre Habouzit:
errrm, let me think. YES !
[some calculation]
so well, hmm let me think again ... YES THIS IS A DAMN PERFECT
ARGUMENT.
Sorry, but NO. It only shows that there is more
* Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070226 02:35]:
If a maintainer keeps doing uploads we can be almost sure that he is not
ignoring bugs too.
Especially with the big packages used as example why this would be hard
this is not obvious, and I think for many packages it is even simply not
true.
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:32:41PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 02:55:39AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
And btw, help for bug triaging for any of those kind of packages is
vastly appreciated... But here is a newsflash: 100 bugs is fairly easy
to reduce. the
* Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070226 03:03]:
So now let's do a simple calculation. 100 bugs, 20 minutes, that's
2000 minutes, over 6 weeks, that's 333 minutes a week, meaning at least
6 hours a half of work. Just to keep up with bugs. Of completely tedious
work.
Add to that:
* Ron Johnson:
Does the BTS ack *mean* that an actual living breathing human has
eyeballed the bug?
No, it doesn't.
But would an ack from a human being mean that the bug will be fixed in
due course?
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* Nikita V. Youshchenko:
What do people look on the following idea: not allow packages to migrate
from sid to testing if they have unanswered bug reports with severity =
normal?
I don't think fiddling with testing propagation in this way is a good
idea. After all, even if the package has
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 11:26:45PM +0300, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
What do people look on the following idea: not allow packages to migrate
from sid to testing if they have unanswered bug reports with severity =
normal?
Honestly,
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:20:31AM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:35:48PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
OK. But is there not a fairly sizeable team working on KDE packaging
for Debian?
No. FYI, the KDE team is currently about 6 *active* members, 3 working
a
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 10:45:24AM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070226 03:03]:
So now let's do a simple calculation. 100 bugs, 20 minutes, that's
2000 minutes, over 6 weeks, that's 333 minutes a week, meaning at least
6 hours a half of work. Just to
* Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070226 11:05]:
Stripping KDE, php, xorg, gnome, iceweasel, the libc out of stable
would indeed make releases a lot less painful.
xorg just sees activitiy to look at bugs (and it was really overdue),
libc is a beast of itself. For the others I have no
#include hallo.h
* Pierre Habouzit [Mon, Feb 26 2007, 02:32:28AM]:
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:27:29PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 11:12:43AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
Sune Vuorela [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You and others are most welcome to take a stab at the
#include hallo.h
* Marco d'Itri [Mon, Feb 26 2007, 02:36:13AM]:
On Feb 26, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You and others cannot substitute for a response *from the package
maintainer* acknowledging (or otherwise) the bug report. That's the
criterion being discussed here: not a
Le lundi 26 février 2007 à 09:56 +0100, Klaus Ethgen a écrit :
Sorry, but NO. It only shows that there is more people needed for
maintaining the package!
Yes. We need more people to maintain GNOME, KDE, X.org, the glibc, OOo,
and Mozilla.
Any volunteers around?
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Le lundi 26 février 2007 à 10:57 +0100, Pierre Habouzit a écrit :
Now let's think a bit:
- iceweasel is Eric and Mike (2 people): 528 bugs.
- XSF packages is (mostly I think) Julien and David (2 people): I'd
say more than 900 bugs (500 on xorg solely).
- OOo.org is René (_1_
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