Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

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Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

Hi, On Tue, 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200 Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > In general my plan involves installing less, taking into > consideration that requirements and expectations what should be > available in containers, chroots, on servers and desktop systems has > changed (at

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

Hi, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org (2015-05-05): [ Please send replies only to boot@ ] I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that is the list of packages with priorities required, important and standard. In general my plan involves installing less, taking

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

Hi, On Tue, 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200 Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote: I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that is the list of packages with priorities required, important and standard. In general my plan involves installing less, taking into

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On Wed, 6 May 2015 14:17:58 +0800 Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: it would be strange to not have a viewer for that documentation on every system. https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s12.4 Probably minimal container (and embedded) systems don't need to have docs and

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

I'd like to provide a data point. On servers that I maintain, this is the complete list of manually-installed packages, excluding packages related to what the server actually _does_ -- that is, this, and nothing else, are what I consider vital to have available on a generic server that no one

Re: emacsen-common (was: Packages to install be default for Stretch)

On Wed, May 6, 2015, at 10:59, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2015-05-06 11:21:13 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: dpkg --purge \ discover discover-data libdiscover2 installation-report laptop-detect \ nano tasksel tasksel-data task-english acpi acpid acpi-support-base \ isc-dhcp-client

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Josh Triplett wrote: Why, when it's just an apt install at away? It's one more running daemon. Realistically, what fraction of Debian users actually invoke at, ever, and of those, what fraction will be deeply disturbed by having to install it first? The

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote: I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that Me too. Let's look at the problem from a different point of view. This is what I remove when building cloud images for my employer's infrastructure: dpkg --purge \

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: On Tue May 05, 2015 at 20:45:09 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: * Packages currently at important: - cron: Not needed in chroot/container environments. - demote to standard RC. | important | Important programs, including

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 5:21:14 AM EEST, Wookey wrote: +++ Samuel Thibault [2015-05-06 01:09 +0200]: Ansgar Burchardt, le Tue 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200, a écrit : - info, texinfo, install-info: I admit having used info only in desperation. Most documentation comes in man

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

Hi, On Tue May 05, 2015 at 20:45:09 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: * Packages currently at important: - cron: Not needed in chroot/container environments. - demote to standard RC. | important | Important programs, including those which one would expect to find on | any

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On May 06, Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote: That said, as mentioned in my response, I think rsyslog ought to stay important until something else replaces it. Logging of *some* kind is important. We have journald. :-) Why, when it's just an apt install at away? It's one more

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On May 06, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote: But is this enough reason to keep w3m at priority standard? Personally I would rather use ssh -D or such than bothering with a rather limited text-mode browser. Agreed. -- ciao, Marco pgppFLgum_uM8.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: cron is part of POSIX. The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX person are... Perhaps unix/posix tasks would satisfy such folks. -- bye, pabs

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

Quoting Paul Wise (2015-05-06 08:17:58) On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Josh Triplett wrote: Why, when it's just an apt install at away? It's one more running daemon. Realistically, what fraction of Debian users actually invoke at, ever, and of those, what fraction will be deeply

cron-daemon WAS: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 07:51:57AM +0200, Alexandre Detiste wrote: Le mardi 5 mai 2015, 21:02:14 Josh Triplett a écrit : Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: - cron: Not needed in chroot/container environments. - demote to

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: - cron: Not needed in chroot/container environments. - demote to standard A lot of packages ship cron jobs, I guess this means they will need to depend on cron? They already have to depend on cron if it is required for proper operation (or

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 06:26:19PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: cron is part of POSIX. The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX person are... Perhaps unix/posix tasks

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On 2015-05-06 12:21:14 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: cron is part of POSIX. The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX person are... I hopefully count as having some experience, but I don't expect cron to be available

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

Hi, On Wed May 06, 2015 at 14:09:30 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Note that I believe this has changed over time: with the advent of VMs and containers the expectations what a system should minimally provide have become smaller. I'll not comment on where I see emacs and vim ;) But

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On Wed, 6 May 2015 18:26:19 +0800 Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 05/06/2015 11:34 AM, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: cron is part of POSIX. The problem here is what the expectations of an experienced UNIX person are... Perhaps

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On May 06, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote: Note that I believe this has changed over time: with the advent of VMs and containers the expectations what a system should minimally provide have become smaller. The differences between VMs and normal servers are very small, limited only

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 02:21:06PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: ed needs to go back into important, so we can drop the other editors? /joke We have vim-tiny in important, which provides ex, aka mostly ed. Bastian -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with

emacsen-common (was: Packages to install be default for Stretch)

On 2015-05-06 11:21:13 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: dpkg --purge \ discover discover-data libdiscover2 installation-report laptop-detect \ nano tasksel tasksel-data task-english acpi acpid acpi-support-base \ isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common eject \ nfacct libmnl0 libnetfilter-acct1

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On 2015-05-06 11:21:13 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote: - nfacct: No idea why this is at Priority: important. - demote to optional Even extra... This is a very niche package and I have no idea why it is being installed

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On May 06, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote: So, no, there isn't something broken - the uploader needs to file the bug as set out in the developer reference. And please have this fixed in stable as well. -- ciao, Marco pgp6i77j5JMCo.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On Wed, 6 May 2015 16:09:18 +0200 Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: On 2015-05-06 11:21:13 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 05, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote: - nfacct: No idea why this is at Priority: important. - demote to optional Even extra...

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On 5 May 2015 at 19:45, Ansgar Burchardt ans...@debian.org wrote: * Packages currently at important: - cron: Not needed in chroot/container environments. Hm, i'd say it's not needed full-stop. There are systemd timer units and e.g. systemd-cron that satisfy the need for periodic

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On 2015-05-06 15:23:58 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: So, no, there isn't something broken - the uploader needs to file the bug as set out in the developer reference. Thanks for the information. To make sure that it is done and since bugs.debian.org didn't show any such bug, I've just filed such a

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: * Same for question for dmidecode: could the priority be lowered to standard? As this relates to specific hardware/firmware, this should be moved to optional and d-i/isenkram/PackageKit/etc should install it when installing on the

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

Ansgar Burchardt, le Tue 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200, a écrit : - info, texinfo, install-info: I admit having used info only in desperation. Most documentation comes in man page format. - demote to optional Proper autoconf, automake, gcc, etc. documentations only really

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

+++ Samuel Thibault [2015-05-06 01:09 +0200]: Ansgar Burchardt, le Tue 05 May 2015 20:45:09 +0200, a écrit : - info, texinfo, install-info: I admit having used info only in desperation. Most documentation comes in man page format. - demote to optional Proper

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: - cron: Not needed in chroot/container environments. - demote to standard A lot of packages ship cron jobs, I guess this means they will need to depend on cron? cron was never Essential: yes, so if

Re: Packages to install be default for Stretch

Hi, Le mardi 5 mai 2015, 21:02:14 Josh Triplett a écrit : Paul Wise wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: - cron: Not needed in chroot/container environments. - demote to standard A lot of packages ship cron jobs, I guess this means they

Packages to install be default for Stretch

Hi, [ Please send replies only to boot@ ] I would like to re-evaluate what we change by default for Stretch, that is the list of packages with priorities required, important and standard. In general my plan involves installing less, taking into consideration that requirements and expectations