Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-25 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-04-24 19:05:47, schrieb Luis Matos: My CD provides ALL packages for the installation of Office-Workstations and required server (postgresql, apache, nfs, samba, cups, courier...) humm ... would you like to share? I create the CD's per customer and currently I am recreating the CD's

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-24 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 09:17:38AM -0400, Matthew McGuire a écrit : a single tasksel system does sound nice, but it makes building the iso images for the installers impossible. If the user can select an essentially infinite number of tasks from the one interface then the installer would

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-24 Thread Matthew McGuire
Andreas Tille wrote: On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Joey Hess wrote: Andreas Tille wrote: Yes, you are right and I'm even doing this in the med-common package. But I do not really regard this as a really nice solution if those extra tasks are mixed with the default Debian tasks. Note that you can

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-24 Thread Matthew McGuire
Charles Plessy wrote: Le Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 09:17:38AM -0400, Matthew McGuire a écrit : a single tasksel system does sound nice, but it makes building the iso images for the installers impossible. If the user can select an essentially infinite number of tasks from the one interface then

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-24 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Arjan and *, Am 2007-04-18 15:24:36, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would like to start a new sub-project called Debian4Business or perhaps Debian-Office.I have a slight preference for the first name, but this is discussable of course. I am open... I have a small company, that

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-24 Thread Luis Matos
Ter, 2007-04-24 às 16:44 +0200, Michelle Konzack escreveu: Hello Arjan and *, Am 2007-04-18 15:24:36, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would like to start a new sub-project called Debian4Business or perhaps Debian-Office.I have a slight preference for the first name, but this is

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-24 Thread Luis Matos
Ter, 2007-04-24 às 16:44 +0200, Michelle Konzack escreveu: Hello Arjan and *, Am 2007-04-18 15:24:36, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would like to start a new sub-project called Debian4Business or perhaps Debian-Office.I have a slight preference for the first name, but this is

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-19 Thread Luis Matos
cc'ing debian-custom so we can get off devel. Qua, 2007-04-18 às 22:34 +0200, Andreas Tille escreveu: On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Luis Matos wrote: A cdd would be good for some first testing, but having it included in debian would be great. Argh - the usual missunderstanding: If you use the

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Luis Matos wrote: it true it's debian, but ... i meant in debian's main (general) distribution, that is, as option in tasksel and not only as meta-package ... but there is no problem. Well, there is definitely more in Debian than you can select via tasksel. ;-)) But your

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-19 Thread Luis Matos
Maybe some kind of proposal to change tsksels behaviour to warn user that the option he has choosen requires more cd's or download of files trought network. tasksel is a good tool, but it really lacks expansibility ... mainly because it was not made with that purpose. At least, we could preseed

TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Luis Matos wrote: At least, we could preseed some options, (like debian-med) but that wouldn't come in tasksel's options, like kde-desktop and xfce-desktop. IMHO the best solution would be if tasksel would have a two level selection: [x] Desktop environment

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:46:35 +0200 (CEST) Andreas Tille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Luis Matos wrote: IMHO the best solution would be if tasksel would have a two level selection: ... [ ] Custom Debian Distribution [ ] Debian-Edu [ ] Debian-Jr.

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Ben Armstrong wrote: But as Luis pointed out, having material on extra CDs or needing the network to install it is a bit of a problem. Well, IMHO shipping Lenny on CDs is a little bit - how to say - oldfashioned, right? I don't think a warning alone is sufficient (What

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 19 April 2007 14:46, Andreas Tille wrote: IMHO the best solution would be if tasksel would have a two level selection: I doubt this is going to happen in the in tasksel. For one thing, its maintainer has quite strong feelings against it. For another thing, a two-level selection is

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Luis Matos
Frans Pop escreveu: On Thursday 19 April 2007 14:46, Andreas Tille wrote: IMHO the best solution would be if tasksel would have a two level selection: I doubt this is going to happen in the in tasksel. For one thing, its maintainer has quite strong feelings against it. For another

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Luis Matos
Well ... i think you exagerated a little bit. 2 layer is not multiple layer and tasksel is not apt, aptitude or synaptic. but it can be done. I'll give you the desktop task example. there is a team, debian-desktop that supports and organizes all desktop tasks. by this i mean that there

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 19 April 2007 16:46, Luis Matos wrote: Also, can we arrange some kind of cdds-pre-selection in d-i? One page fter tasksel that would have the cdds listed, or previously. Or at least an yes/no question, do you want to install any CDD? Note that I'm just thinking out load here. For

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
Luis Matos wrote: tasksel is a good tool, but it really lacks expansibility ... mainly because it was not made with that purpose. At least, we could preseed some options, (like debian-med) but that wouldn't come in tasksel's options, like kde-desktop and xfce-desktop. Er, do you know that

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
Andreas Tille wrote: IMHO the best solution would be if tasksel would have a two level selection: I'm afraid that I can't seriously consider this kind of proposal unless it shows indications of taking into account all the issues and design goals listed in

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Armstrong wrote: But as Luis pointed out, having material on extra CDs or needing the network to install it is a bit of a problem. No, it's not, because d-i _first_ lets the user decide how they want to configure apt, and then displays a tasksel that offers only the tasks that are available

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
Andreas Tille wrote: I think they probably will install via DVD or network. If tasksel keeps its install from one CD medium philosophy Tasksel does not have any such philisophy. apt even supports using debconf to prompt for a CD change. d-i does not currently support scanning more than one CD;

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
Frans Pop wrote: It should be possibly to define tasks for CDDs and have them included in tasksel, but I do not think they will ever be displayed by default in the regular tasksel or for regular installations. After all, we are talking about custom debian _distributions_. I won't say

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Joey Hess wrote: Er, do you know that it's possible to create a deb that, when installed, extends tasksel with any tasks you like? And d-i has hooks to allow a CDD to easily install such debs. Yes, you are right and I'm even doing this in the med-common package. But I do

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Joey Hess wrote: I'm afraid that I can't seriously consider this kind of proposal unless it shows indications of taking into account all the issues and design goals listed in http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/tasksel/faq/ The answer to question one is very compelling if you

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
Andreas Tille wrote: Yes, you are right and I'm even doing this in the med-common package. But I do not really regard this as a really nice solution if those extra tasks are mixed with the default Debian tasks. Note that you can hide the debian tasks by diverting debian-tasks.desc. This could

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Joey Hess wrote: Andreas Tille wrote: I think they probably will install via DVD or network. If tasksel keeps its install from one CD medium philosophy Tasksel does not have any such philisophy. Quoting from #186085 From: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andreas

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Joey Hess
Andreas Tille wrote: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:50:03 -0400 Little more needs to be said, although you might find tools/update_tasks in debian-cd worthwhile reading (or not). -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-19 Thread Otavio Salvador
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andreas Tille wrote: Yes, you are right and I'm even doing this in the med-common package. But I do not really regard this as a really nice solution if those extra tasks are mixed with the default Debian tasks. Note that you can hide the debian tasks by

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Joey Hess wrote: Andreas Tille wrote: Yes, you are right and I'm even doing this in the med-common package. But I do not really regard this as a really nice solution if those extra tasks are mixed with the default Debian tasks. Note that you can hide the debian tasks by

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 02:46:35PM +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit : On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Luis Matos wrote: At least, we could preseed some options, (like debian-med) but that wouldn't come in tasksel's options, like kde-desktop and xfce-desktop. IMHO the best solution would be if tasksel

Re: TaskSel proposal (Was: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business)

2007-04-19 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 04:05:38PM +0200, Frans Pop a écrit : On Thursday 19 April 2007 14:46, Andreas Tille wrote: IMHO the best solution would be if tasksel would have a two level selection: I doubt this is going to happen in the in tasksel. For one thing, its maintainer has quite

Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-18 Thread linux
I would like to start a new sub-project called Debian4Business or perhaps Debian-Office.I have a slight preference for the first name, but this is discussable of course. I have a small company, that provides legal services. About 6 months ago (I use linux for more than 8 years already) all

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-18 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-04-18 15:26]: I have a small company, that provides legal services. About 6 months ago (I use linux for more than 8 years already) all desktops are running Linux now. And you still use DOS linebreaks? SCNR Nico -- Nico Golde - http://ngolde.de

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-18 Thread Luis Matos
Hello there ... Qua, 2007-04-18 às 15:24 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: I would like to start a new sub-project called Debian4Business or perhaps Debian-Office.I have a slight preference for the first name, but this is discussable of course. a bit of background. Last week i emailed

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-18 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 15:24 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to start a new sub-project called Debian4Business or perhaps Debian-Office.I have a slight preference for the first name, but this is discussable of course. Since your are using Debian as a base, have at it. Do you best.

Re: Proposal for a new CDD sub-project: Debian4Business

2007-04-18 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Luis Matos wrote: A cdd would be good for some first testing, but having it included in debian would be great. Argh - the usual missunderstanding: If you use the term Custom Debian Distribution your first Google hit gives the definition: Custom Debian Distribution