Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 02:26:08PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: Just to underline here, you need to send the diff for the NMU to the bug(s) that you are fixing in the NMU *before* uploading the NMU. The developers reference is not clear on this point and should perhaps be clarified. It lists the requirement to upload the NMU patch in the same bullet point as the upload your package action-item, but after the upload your package sentence. http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/pkgs.html#nmu -- Jon Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:10:13PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: 1. Don't spam devel to contact just one person. For reference, who-uploads from devscripts is useful for working out who NMU'd something. Simon -- ... Be wewy wewy careful. There be dragons here. -- Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
Simon Huggins a écrit : On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:10:13PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: 1. Don't spam devel to contact just one person. For reference, who-uploads from devscripts is useful for working out who NMU'd something. Simon I bet it won't work for a package in dak ;) Adam. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
* Adam Cécile (Le_Vert) [Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:42:43 +0100]: I bet it won't work for a package in dak ;) http://incoming.debian.org http://packages.qa.debian.org/aqualung And, FFS, the ACCEPTED mail you get has you *and* the uploader in the To: line. -- - Are you sure we're good? - Always. -- Rory and Lorelai -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 02:22:34PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: This would definetly be useful, as it would help someone from wasting time preparing the NMU in the first place, but it certainly doesn't excuse making NMUs without notifying the maintainer beforehand. If the maintainer can't be bothered to respond to a bug report, the maintainer doesn't deserve any kind of notification. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
Adeodato Simó a écrit : * Adam Cécile (Le_Vert) [Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:42:43 +0100]: I bet it won't work for a package in dak ;) http://incoming.debian.org http://packages.qa.debian.org/aqualung It didn't appear neither on incoming nor on pts. And, FFS, the ACCEPTED mail you get has you *and* the uploader in the To: line. Well... I still can't explain why I missed that, but that's definitely the right information. Beware of small resolution of netbooks' screens that may hide some parts of the mails you get... Imho, it's better to submit a quick reply to the bug saying you intend to prepare a NMU. Maintainer may start working on a package without replying to the bug first, advicing him about an incoming NMU may avoid having the work done twice. That's my opinion, but I agree, it's always better to ack the bug first. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
On Tue Mar 10 14:45, Clint Adams wrote: On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 02:22:34PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: This would definetly be useful, as it would help someone from wasting time preparing the NMU in the first place, but it certainly doesn't excuse making NMUs without notifying the maintainer beforehand. If the maintainer can't be bothered to respond to a bug report, the maintainer doesn't deserve any kind of notification. Wrong, on so many levels. Ignoring the fact that two wrongs don't make a right... We have individual maintainership and whether that is good or bad it means the maintainer can assume by default that he's the only person working on the package and making uploads. We have exceptions to this, which is good, but they are _exceptions_ and therefore need notification. Yes, the maintainer should respond to the bug report and yes he* should mark the bug as pending, but forgetting this step in no means justifies an NMUer doing the same. NMUs should _always_ be posted to the bug log _before_ upload and ideally before any work is done. That should be an absolute requirement and I will vote against any proposal which doesn't require this. If you want to be nice, you should give the maintainer time to respond before doing this and file patches etc (as suggested in the dev ref...), but for things which are 0day NMUable that's obviously not always practical. Matt * insert pronoun as required -- Matthew Johnson signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Jon Dowland wrote: On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 02:26:08PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: Just to underline here, you need to send the diff for the NMU to the bug(s) that you are fixing in the NMU *before* uploading the NMU. The developers reference is not clear on this point and should perhaps be clarified. It lists the requirement to upload the NMU patch in the same bullet point as the upload your package action-item, but after the upload your package sentence. Yes, but this happens after the two notifications to the maintainer. In the case of 0 day NMUs or uploads to delayed, these can be collapsed into a single mail with the diff for the NMU attached. That said, I'll try to remember to prepare and suggest a patch to clarify this. Don Armstrong -- Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows NT (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly). -- Matt Welsh http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
To the aqualung NMUer....
Hello, I just received a DAK acknowledgement for aqualung 0.9~beta9.1-1.1 but it's not me who prepared this package. I guess it's a NMU fixing the ffmpeg/libavcodec issue but I can't found any related message neither on the BTS nor on debian mailing lists (-devel and -release). I would have been great if this people told me he were preparing a NMU because I was working on new upstream release package that ALSO fix the ffmpeg issue. Anyway... If someone is responsible of this upload, please overwrite it by the new packages I just uploaded to debian-mentors: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/a/aqualung/aqualung_0.9~beta10-1.dsc Thanks in advance, Adam. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
To the aqualung NMUer....
Hello, I just received a DAK acknowledgement for aqualung 0.9~beta9.1-1.1 but it's not me who prepared this package. I guess it's a NMU fixing the ffmpeg/libavcodec issue but I can't found any related message neither on the BTS nor on debian mailing lists (-devel and -release). I would have been great if this people told me he were preparing a NMU because I was working on new upstream release package that ALSO fix the ffmpeg issue. Anyway... If someone is responsible of this upload, please overwrite it by the new packages I just uploaded to debian-mentors: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/a/aqualung/aqualung_0.9~beta10-1.dsc Thanks in advance, Adam. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
On 2009-03-09, Adam Cécile (Le_Vert) gand...@le-vert.net wrote: I would have been great if this people told me he were preparing a NMU because I was working on new upstream release package that ALSO fix the ffmpeg issue. It would have been great if you write the progress in your bug report - including that you are almost ready and just awaiting sponsorship. And it would also be great if you would say thank you to people fixing your packages helping transitions. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
I can't possibly say how annoyed I am. 1. Don't spam devel to contact just one person. 2. Read devel: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/03/msg00034.html 3. Or you can also read d-d-a: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/03/msg0.html 4. Or you can just deal with your RC bugs in a timely manner 5. Or you can just mention in the bug report that you're working on a fix 6. Or you can state that you don't want NMUs 7. Or you could do as everybody else and actually thank people for NMUing you Best, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org La música es de los que la quieren escuchar y de nadie más. -- Andrés Calamaro -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
Barry deFreese a écrit : Adam Cécile (Le_Vert) wrote: Hello, I just received a DAK acknowledgement for aqualung 0.9~beta9.1-1.1 but it's not me who prepared this package. I guess it's a NMU fixing the ffmpeg/libavcodec issue but I can't found any related message neither on the BTS nor on debian mailing lists (-devel and -release). I would have been great if this people told me he were preparing a NMU because I was working on new upstream release package that ALSO fix the ffmpeg issue. Anyway... If someone is responsible of this upload, please overwrite it by the new packages I just uploaded to debian-mentors: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/a/aqualung/aqualung_0.9~beta10-1.dsc Thanks in advance, Adam. That was me. I haven't posted the diff for the NMU yet. I'll take a look at the new upstream on mentors. Of course tagging the existing bug as pending or some other form of notification that you were working on it would have helped. Sorry, Barry deFreese Hello, Thanks for having a look to the new upstream release and sorry for not having updated the bug status ! Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
Adam Cécile (Le_Vert) wrote: Hello, I just received a DAK acknowledgement for aqualung 0.9~beta9.1-1.1 but it's not me who prepared this package. I guess it's a NMU fixing the ffmpeg/libavcodec issue but I can't found any related message neither on the BTS nor on debian mailing lists (-devel and -release). I would have been great if this people told me he were preparing a NMU because I was working on new upstream release package that ALSO fix the ffmpeg issue. Anyway... If someone is responsible of this upload, please overwrite it by the new packages I just uploaded to debian-mentors: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/a/aqualung/aqualung_0.9~beta10-1.dsc Thanks in advance, Adam. That was me. I haven't posted the diff for the NMU yet. I'll take a look at the new upstream on mentors. Of course tagging the existing bug as pending or some other form of notification that you were working on it would have helped. Sorry, Barry deFreese -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009, Sune Vuorela wrote: It would have been great if you write the progress in your bug report - including that you are almost ready and just awaiting sponsorship. This would definetly be useful, as it would help someone from wasting time preparing the NMU in the first place, but it certainly doesn't excuse making NMUs without notifying the maintainer beforehand. And it would also be great if you would say thank you to people fixing your packages helping transitions. Help is certainly useful, but there's still no message to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517466 regarding the actual patch that was used to NMU, nor any message before the NMU regarding intent to NMU. All of that should happen before uploading an NMU, and certainly should have happened by now. Don Armstrong -- Where am I? THE VILLAGE. What do you want? INFORMATION. Which side are you on? THAT WOULD BE TELLING. WE WANT INFORMATION. INFORMATION. INFORMATION. You won't get it! BY HOOK OR BY CROOK, WE WILL. Who are you? THE NEW NUMBER 2. Who is Number One? YOU ARE NUMBER SIX. I am not a number! I am a free man! HAHAHAHAHAHA. -- Patrick McGoohan as Number 6 with Number 2 in The Prisoner http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009, Barry deFreese wrote: That was me. I haven't posted the diff for the NMU yet. Just to underline here, you need to send the diff for the NMU to the bug(s) that you are fixing in the NMU *before* uploading the NMU. In the case where a 0-day NMU is valid, you can upload immediately following this, but there should never be a period of time where the NMU has gone through and the patch has not landed in the BTS. Don Armstrong -- Nothing is as inevitable as a mistake whose time has come. -- Tussman's Law http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: To the aqualung NMUer....
Don Armstrong a écrit : On Mon, 09 Mar 2009, Barry deFreese wrote: That was me. I haven't posted the diff for the NMU yet. Just to underline here, you need to send the diff for the NMU to the bug(s) that you are fixing in the NMU *before* uploading the NMU. In the case where a 0-day NMU is valid, you can upload immediately following this, but there should never be a period of time where the NMU has gone through and the patch has not landed in the BTS. Don Armstrong We were both wrong and I guess we're aware of it ;) Anyway, the issue is fixed; I just received a dak email for latest upstream package. Thanks and sorry for bothering -devel ! Adam. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
