Re: Radeon KMS without non-free firmware (was: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3)

2012-09-18 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 17 septembre 2012 à 17:47 +0200, Karsten Merker a écrit : Systems _not_ working without firmware: === * Wrestler (Radeon HD 6310), part of the AMD E-350 APU http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642389#5

Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:07:46AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Hello, tiny wrap-up for beta 2: the release happened one week after the prospective date. Some tiny delays on various fronts added up and explain that, but the overall results don't seem too bad to me. That's why I'm going to

Re: Microcode and the installer (Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3)

2012-09-17 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Jonathan Nieder wrote: (replying to -devel and -boot only) (I am not subscribed to -boot. Please keep -devel on replies, or CC me directly). Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Philipp

Re: Processor microcode update packages (was: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3)

2012-09-15 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 13, Wolodja Wentland deb...@babilen5.org wrote: The main problem I see is that there seem to be essentially two types of packages in non-free right now, namely those that contain firmware/microcode (etc) and are crucial for correctly working hardware and the rest. Yes, this was duly

Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-13 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:44 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Also, we should mention somewhere (the install documentation?) that non-free should be enabled to install microcode fixes which may be critical to maintain the system stability. Could you elaborate on this please? I have been running

Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012, Wolodja Wentland wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:44 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Also, we should mention somewhere (the install documentation?) that non-free should be enabled to install microcode fixes which may be critical to maintain the system stability. Could

Processor microcode update packages (was: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3)

2012-09-13 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes: On Thu, 13 Sep 2012, Wolodja Wentland wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:44 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Also, we should mention somewhere (the install documentation?) that non-free should be enabled to install microcode fixes which may be

Re: Processor microcode update packages (was: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3)

2012-09-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 13 sep 12, 11:29:39, Nikolaus Rath wrote: I think this should be mentioned somewhere *much* more prominent. I consider myself pretty tech-savy, but only stumbled upon this just now on the this list. Can a non-free package be made essential or required? It seems there is really

Re: Processor microcode update packages (was: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3)

2012-09-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012, Nikolaus Rath wrote: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org writes: On Thu, 13 Sep 2012, Wolodja Wentland wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:44 +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: Also, we should mention somewhere (the install documentation?) that non-free should be

Re: Processor microcode update packages (was: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3)

2012-09-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 13 sep 12, 11:29:39, Nikolaus Rath wrote: I think this should be mentioned somewhere *much* more prominent. I consider myself pretty tech-savy, but only stumbled upon this just now on the this list. Can a non-free package be made essential

Re: Microcode and the installer (Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3)

2012-09-13 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Jonathan Nieder wrote: (replying to -devel and -boot only) (I am not subscribed to -boot. Please keep -devel on replies, or CC me directly). Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Philipp Kern wrote: If we do that the same should also happen for

Re: Processor microcode update packages (was: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3)

2012-09-13 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 13:45 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Thu, 13 Sep 2012, Nikolaus Rath wrote: I think this should be mentioned somewhere *much* more prominent. I consider myself pretty tech-savy, but only stumbled upon this just now on the this list. Can a non-free

Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-10 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Daniel Hartwig (mand...@gmail.com): Is there potential to see pkgsel use apt-get instead of aptitude (following the same change in tasksel)? There is already a patch committed. I'll give this more of a test this week with some induced errors during the installation. I hesitated

Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 10, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: I'd like to see it recommend the instalation of (or just install by default) system processor microcode update packages when non-free is enabled on a x86 arch (i386 or amd64) and the running processor is either Intel or AMD (easily

Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-10 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:07:46AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Hello, tiny wrap-up for beta 2: the release happened one week after the prospective date. Some tiny delays on various fronts added up and explain that, but the overall results don't seem too bad to me. That's why I'm going to

Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-10 Thread Philipp Kern
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 08:38:38PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: I'd like to see it recommend the instalation of (or just install by default) system processor microcode update packages when non-free is enabled on a x86 arch (i386 or amd64) and the running processor is either Intel

Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Philipp Kern wrote: On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 08:38:38PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: I'd like to see it recommend the instalation of (or just install by default) system processor microcode update packages when non-free is enabled on a x86 arch (i386 or

Microcode and the installer (Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3)

2012-09-10 Thread Jonathan Nieder
(replying to -devel and -boot only) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Philipp Kern wrote: If we do that the same should also happen for firmware-linux-nonfree. Loading the radeon KMS module without firmware available results in an unusable (text) console. (Yes, it might

Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 21:10 +0200, Philipp Kern wrote: On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 08:38:38PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: I'd like to see it recommend the instalation of (or just install by default) system processor microcode update packages when non-free is enabled on a x86 arch

Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-09 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hello, tiny wrap-up for beta 2: the release happened one week after the prospective date. Some tiny delays on various fronts added up and explain that, but the overall results don't seem too bad to me. That's why I'm going to propose the same timing for beta 3: 3 weeks for development and bug

Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-09 Thread Samuel Thibault
Cyril Brulebois, le Mon 10 Sep 2012 00:07:46 +0200, a écrit : Features expected to be merged: - UEFI support (Steve). Before anyone asks, and as far as I can tell: it's not about supporting secure boot. - IPv6 support in d-i (Philipp). - Possibly more xz-related unblocks (Ansgar). If

Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-09 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Features expected to be merged: - UEFI support (Steve). Before anyone asks, and as far as I can tell: it's not about supporting secure boot. - IPv6 support in d-i (Philipp). - Possibly more xz-related unblocks (Ansgar). If anybody wants to

Re: Towards d-i wheezy beta 3

2012-09-09 Thread Daniel Hartwig
On 10 September 2012 06:07, Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org wrote: If anybody wants to see something land into this release, it would be nice to mention it now instead of after the end of the merge window. Is there potential to see pkgsel use apt-get instead of aptitude (following the same