Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-06 Thread Martin Schulze
Matt Zimmerman wrote: Another option would be to leave the source package maintainer the same (to retain proper credit, etc.), but override the binary package maintainer during the build (to reflect that it is a different build, and also display a more appropriate name in apt-cache show etc.).

Packaging audit trail mechanism (was: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers)

2005-05-05 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/2/05, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another option would be to leave the source package maintainer the same (to retain proper credit, etc.), but override the binary package maintainer during the build (to reflect that it is a different build, and also display a more appropriate

Re: Packaging audit trail mechanism (was: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers)

2005-05-05 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 02:22:48AM -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: Personally, when I rebuild a package that might get handed to someone else -- even if I didn't touch the source, but am rebuilding in a known environment so I can reproduce it later -- I change the Maintainer field to an

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-04 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Matt Zimmerman date=2005-05-02 15:06:10 -0700 Another option would be to leave the source package maintainer the same (to retain proper credit, etc.), but override the binary package maintainer during the build (to reflect that it is a different build, and also display a more

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Martin Schulze
James Treacy wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 11:40:19AM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: I have to confess this is mainly because I maintain both packages.debian.org and packages.ubuntu.com and just copied the code. If anyone has suggestions how to improve the wording on the Ubuntu part, my

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Martin Schulze
Matt Zimmerman wrote: Every Debian derivative I have seen does this the same way. There is some inaccuracy in either case, but I think this is the lesser of the evils: - Changing the maintainer field - foo is taking credit for my work! - Requires modification of every source package,

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 08:46:44PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: Every Debian derivative I have seen does this the same way. There is some inaccuracy in either case, but I think this is the lesser of the evils: - Changing the maintainer field - foo is taking

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 03:06:10PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 08:46:44PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Matt Zimmerman wrote: Every Debian derivative I have seen does this the same way. There is some inaccuracy in either case, but I think this is the lesser of

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.05.03.0006 +0200]: Another option would be to leave the source package maintainer the same (to retain proper credit, etc.), but override the binary package maintainer during the build (to reflect that it is a different build, and also display

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 12:25:28AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.05.03.0006 +0200]: Another option would be to leave the source package maintainer the same (to retain proper credit, etc.), but override the binary package maintainer during

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Adam Majer
Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:34:09PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: Then I also found, http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/mysql-query-browser/mysql-query-browser_1.1.4-1ubuntu2.dsc [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tmp$ gpg --verify mysql-query-browser_1.1.4-1ubuntu2.dsc gpg: Signature made Tue

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Adeodato Sim
* Martin Schulze [Mon, 02 May 2005 20:46:44 +0200]: Maybe it's worth modifying the debian/control file a bit when you are altering the package such as Maintainer: becomes Debian-Maintainer I like this. (In fact, I have a mail written proposing it. Glad I postponed it and read the rest

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Adam Majer
Matthew Palmer wrote: I understood the proposal to be only for unchanged Debian source packages (ie pure rebuild). If an Ubuntuite is actively maintaining the package for Ubuntu, it stands to reason that they be listed as the Maintainer for the Ubuntu source package, with appropriate credit

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-02 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Adam Majer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Keep in mind that whenever you contribute something back to upstream, you generally get little recognition for it (at least in my experience). The code just becomes part of the new upstream version. I'm not too sensitive about the recognition part anyway -

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Ben Burton
On the one hand, I think it's polite and the socially responsible thing to give credit where credit is due, i.e., to acknowledge the debian maintainers whose work is used. On the other hand, I've had packages for which ubuntu has moved to a newer upstream version without properly updating the

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:59:55PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/adamm/ They have a similar page for me. Nothing there indicates that I am not an Ubuntu employee. The same for me. And the funny thing is that

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Chris Boyle
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 05:08:04PM +1000, Ben Burton wrote: So I guess all I'm saying is that, if you're choosing whether or not to attribute packages to the respective debian maintainers, there's no obvious default that won't upset somebody (either through lack of recognition, or through

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Isaac Clerencia
On Sunday, 1 de May de 2005 03:34, Adam Majer wrote: Anyway, the bottom line is, 1. I'm a Debian Developer and chose to be associated with Debian 2. I have not chosen or gave permission to be associated with modified/unmodified packages of other distributions (that may or may not

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:34:09PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: Well, at least on pages like, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/mysql-query-browser They have Adam Majer is responsible for this Debian package with a link to Debian's QA. This reference I find acceptable, but better wording

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* Adam Majer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050501 03:35]: I just search Google for me and I found this, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/adamm/ Now, I never signed up to be a maintainer for Ubuntu. I don't understand why I am part of people of Ubuntu or why I am listed as a maintainer of any

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread James Treacy
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 11:40:19AM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: I have to confess this is mainly because I maintain both packages.debian.org and packages.ubuntu.com and just copied the code. If anyone has suggestions how to improve the wording on the Ubuntu part, my email adress is in the

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Andreas Barth
* James Treacy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050501 21:15]: On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 11:40:19AM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: I have to confess this is mainly because I maintain both packages.debian.org and packages.ubuntu.com and just copied the code. If anyone has suggestions how to improve the

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 09:36:57PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Actually, I don't think that the packages.*-code is part of the problem. Ubuntu treats the Debian maintainers at many places as their maintainers, e.g. at apt-cache show $package. The packages.*-code just displays that wrong

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Alexander Wirt
Hi Matt! On Sun, 01 May 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 09:36:57PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Actually, I don't think that the packages.*-code is part of the problem. Ubuntu treats the Debian maintainers at many places as their maintainers, e.g. at apt-cache show

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:34:09PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: I just search Google for me and I found this, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/adamm/ Now, I never signed up to be a maintainer for Ubuntu. I don't understand why I am part of people of Ubuntu or why I am listed as a

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Sun, 2005-05-01 at 22:38 +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: Hi Matt! On Sun, 01 May 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 09:36:57PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Actually, I don't think that the packages.*-code is part of the problem. Ubuntu treats the Debian maintainers

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Kenneth Pronovici
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 01:48:26PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:34:09PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote: PS. This is not a troll against Ubuntu. In that case, can I ask why you addressed your concerns to debian-devel, rather than to the parties responsible for the web

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 04:19:03PM -0500, Kenneth Pronovici wrote: Besides that, I didn't see anyone from Ubuntu ever make a general announcement to Debian developers about who they should contact if they have concerns about things like this I sent several of the early Ubuntu announcements to

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Kenneth Pronovici
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 03:00:54PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 04:19:03PM -0500, Kenneth Pronovici wrote: Besides that, I didn't see anyone from Ubuntu ever make a general announcement to Debian developers about who they should contact if they have concerns about

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 05:25:41PM -0500, Kenneth Pronovici wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 03:00:54PM -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote: I sent several of the early Ubuntu announcements to debian-devel, so that everyone knew what was happening and would have a point of contact if they had any

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 10:38:01PM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: Hi Matt! On Sun, 01 May 2005, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 09:36:57PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Actually, I don't think that the packages.*-code is part of the problem. Ubuntu treats the Debian

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-05-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 05:08:04PM +1000, Ben Burton wrote: On the other hand, I've had packages for which ubuntu has moved to a newer upstream version without properly updating the debian/ files, resulting in packages that are severely broken (some to the point of unusability), with my name

Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-04-30 Thread Adam Majer
Hi, I just search Google for me and I found this, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/adamm/ Now, I never signed up to be a maintainer for Ubuntu. I don't understand why I am part of people of Ubuntu or why I am listed as a maintainer of any package on Ubuntu's website? I know Ubuntu is using

Re: Ubuntu and its appropriation of Debian maintainers

2005-04-30 Thread John Hasler
Adam Majer writes: I just search Google for me and I found this, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/adamm/ They have a similar page for me. Nothing there indicates that I am not an Ubuntu employee. Well, at least on pages like, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/misc/mysql-query-browser