Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-13 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Daniel Jacobowitz | On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 03:50:29PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | * Andreas Barth | | | Agreed. We should IMHO make such a requirement to be part of etchs | | release policy. | | How are you going to solve the problem ia32-libs solves if not in this | way? | |

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-11 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Andreas Barth | Agreed. We should IMHO make such a requirement to be part of etchs | release policy. How are you going to solve the problem ia32-libs solves if not in this way? (Unless we want to make etch fully multiarchified, which I don't think we will.) -- Tollef Fog Heen

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-11 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 03:50:29PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Andreas Barth | Agreed. We should IMHO make such a requirement to be part of etchs | release policy. How are you going to solve the problem ia32-libs solves if not in this way? (Unless we want to make etch fully

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-09 Thread Martin Schulze
Christian Hammers wrote: I could package the whole libsnmp source code into the Quagga file, and simply compile it with --without-openssl and then link it statically or something similar brute force and ugly. FWIW: Please don't. This would mean creating a security-support nightmare.

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-09 Thread Stephen Quinney
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 04:45:44PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Christian Hammers wrote: I could package the whole libsnmp source code into the Quagga file, and simply compile it with --without-openssl and then link it statically or something similar brute force and ugly. FWIW: Please

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-09 Thread Andreas Barth
* Stephen Quinney ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050509 17:20]: On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 04:45:44PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Christian Hammers wrote: I could package the whole libsnmp source code into the Quagga file, and simply compile it with --without-openssl and then link it statically

Re: GPL and linking (was: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-()

2005-05-06 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/5/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to spam debian-devel -- and with a long message containing long paragraphs too, horrors! -- in replying to this. Who is sorry? How sorry? Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that this sorry-ness is not something that matters

Re: GPL and linking (was: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-()

2005-05-06 Thread Michael K. Edwards
, that this sorry-ness is not something that matters enough to you to avoid posting long and elliptical messages to debian-devel. As I wrote, debian-devel is where the Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement discussion is happening. Andrew's somewhat disingenuous This part

Re: GPL and linking (was: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-()

2005-05-06 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/6/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/6/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/5/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 11:51:51PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: The GPL simply defers to copyright law to define derivative

Re: GPL and linking (was: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-()

2005-05-06 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/6/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/6/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Second sentence in Section 0: The Program, below, refers to any such program or work, and a work based on the Program means either the Program or any derivative work under

Re: GPL and linking (was: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-()

2005-05-06 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/6/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/6/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/6/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Second sentence in Section 0: The Program, below, refers to any such program or work, and a work based on the Program

Re: GPL and linking (was: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-()

2005-05-06 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/6/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/6/05, Michael K. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/6/05, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe you're objecting to the that is to say phrase, which restates what work based on the Program: means. Attempts to,

Re: GPL and linking (was: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-()

2005-05-06 Thread Michael K. Edwards
I don't, except insofar as C - the Program attempts to paraphrase E - the Program (= D). Oh for Pete's sake, (E - the Program) (= D). What a great place for a word wrap. - Michael

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-05 Thread Humberto Massa
Andrew Suffield wrote: [This part of the thread belongs on -legal] So, there it goes. On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 11:51:51PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Paul TBBle Hampson] This of course assumes the phrase derived work is legalese for code dependancy or something. I'm sure the GPL

GPL and linking (was: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-()

2005-05-05 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/4/05, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [This part of the thread belongs on -legal] Sorry to spam debian-devel -- and with a long message containing long paragraphs too, horrors! -- in replying to this. But that's where this discussion is actually happening now, and I'm afraid I

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-04 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 07:06:36PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: The license of the GNUTLS OpenSSL shim is GPL, causing possible license problems in the other direction with GPL-incompatible apps. It's also not a very complete compatibility layer. So dynamically link against _an_ SSL

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-04 Thread Paul TBBle Hampson
On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 02:08:01AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 07:06:36PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: The license of the GNUTLS OpenSSL shim is GPL, causing possible license problems in the other direction with GPL-incompatible apps. It's also not a very

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-04 Thread David Mandelberg
On Tue, 2005-05-03 at 20:15 -0400, David Mandelberg wrote: On Tue, 2005-05-03 at 19:40 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: GNU version of OpenSSL (I don't recall how it is called). GnuTLS I think. Stupid mail misconfiguration, I sent this before I got Christian Hammer's reply

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-04 Thread Andrea Mennucc
hi I happen to mantain 'snmpkit' ; you may give it a look a. Christian Hammers wrote: Hello [regarding #306840 and with more info in #243870] One of my packages, Quagga, is licenced under the GPL but is supposed to get linked against NetSNMP. That now is problematic, as NetSNMP depends

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-04 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Paul TBBle Hampson] This of course assumes the phrase derived work is legalese for code dependancy or something. I'm sure the GPL actually defines what _they_ mean by it... One false assumption and one false premise. Derived work is legalese for this work is based, at least in part, on this

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-04 Thread Andrew Suffield
[This part of the thread belongs on -legal] On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 11:51:51PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Paul TBBle Hampson] This of course assumes the phrase derived work is legalese for code dependancy or something. I'm sure the GPL actually defines what _they_ mean by it... The

Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-03 Thread Christian Hammers
Hello [regarding #306840 and with more info in #243870] One of my packages, Quagga, is licenced under the GPL but is supposed to get linked against NetSNMP. That now is problematic, as NetSNMP depends on OpenSSL (for SNMPv3 crypto support?) which is not GPL compatible. Does anybody know a good

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 04 May 2005, Christian Hammers wrote: One of my packages, Quagga, is licenced under the GPL but is supposed to get linked against NetSNMP. That now is problematic, as NetSNMP depends on OpenSSL (for SNMPv3 crypto support?) which is not GPL compatible. A simple extension to Quagga's

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-03 Thread Christian Hammers
Hello On 2005-05-03 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2005, Christian Hammers wrote: One of my packages, Quagga, is licenced under the GPL but is supposed to get linked against NetSNMP. That now is problematic, as NetSNMP depends on OpenSSL (for SNMPv3 crypto support?)

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 04, Christian Hammers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could package the whole libsnmp source code into the Quagga file, and simply compile it with --without-openssl and then link it statically or something similar brute force and ugly. Or even better just disable SNMP support, which is not

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-03 Thread David Mandelberg
On Tue, 2005-05-03 at 19:40 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: GNU version of OpenSSL (I don't recall how it is called). GnuTLS I think. -- The attachment signature.asc (if it exists) is a digital signature. Unless you know what that is, you can completely ignore it. It is mostly

Re: Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement :-(

2005-05-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 07:40:24PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2005, Christian Hammers wrote: One of my packages, Quagga, is licenced under the GPL but is supposed to get linked against NetSNMP. That now is problematic, as NetSNMP depends on OpenSSL (for SNMPv3