Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-06-25 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 5/29/19 11:01 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2019, Ansgar wrote: >> On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >>> On Wed, 29 May 2019, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: One of the popular answers to this and some other problems is "nobody sat down and wrote the

Re: paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices))

2019-06-06 Thread Joël Krähemann
Hi, Why to support additional fragmentation? My opinion is debian was left behind regarding infrastructure. I do packaging for various distributions. Honestly, I am running debian. But you could provide continues integration for different architectures, not only i386 and amd64. Extend access

Re: paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas

2019-06-03 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Paul" == Paul Wise writes: Paul> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:32 AM Holger Levsen wrote: >> LTS is accepted by the Debian community. Paul> I'm not entirely sure this fully represents the range of feelings Paul> about the LTS efforts. Paul> There are a few things that

Re: paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices))

2019-06-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 03 Jun 2019, Paul Wise wrote: > There are a few things that are possibly concerning: Thanks for sharing those. Let me answer them. > Freexian is essentially the only available-to-hire provider of > services for Debian LTS, as the Freeside link doesn't lead anywhere > useful. This

Re: paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices))

2019-06-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:32 AM Holger Levsen wrote: > LTS is accepted by the Debian community. I'm not entirely sure this fully represents the range of feelings about the LTS efforts. There are a few things that are possibly concerning: Freexian is essentially the only available-to-hire

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-31 Thread Holger Levsen
hi, just commenting on two bits now: On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 07:17:07AM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:46:48AM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? > > I heard that this didn't

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-31 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Helmut Grohne (2019-05-31 07:17:07) > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:46:48AM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? > > > > I heard that this didn't work out well the last time ("dunc tank"), > > though

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-30 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:46:48AM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? > > I heard that this didn't work out well the last time ("dunc tank"), > though that was before the time I followed Debian development.

paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices))

2019-05-30 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:01:44AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > > Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? > > I heard that this didn't work out well the last time ("dunc tank"), > > though that was before the time I followed Debian development. > Yes, I was there (and mention it briefly in the

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas

2019-05-29 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 5:36 PM Mo Zhou wrote: > For example, many years ago I proposed that we could hire some > web developers to rewrite our homepage, to make it more good-looking > (Generally I don't care about superficial stuff but our homepage > is really old enough. Look at Gentoo's

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas

2019-05-29 Thread Mo Zhou
Hi, On 2019-05-29 08:38, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts? I totally support the idea that we should find more valuable usage of our fund. For example, if developers don't have enough time or don't want to do something difficult, we could hire somebody else to fix

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 29 May 2019, Ansgar wrote: > On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > On Wed, 29 May 2019, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > > One of the popular answers to this and some other problems is "nobody sat > > > down and wrote the code". Not sure what can we do about this class

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-29 Thread Ansgar
On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 10:38 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Wed, 29 May 2019, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > One of the popular answers to this and some other problems is "nobody sat > > down and wrote the code". Not sure what can we do about this class of > > reasons. > > Use the $300,000 on

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-29 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 29 May 2019, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > One of the popular answers to this and some other problems is "nobody sat > down and wrote the code". Not sure what can we do about this class of > reasons. Use the $300,000 on our bank accounts?

Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-29 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 08:43:55AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > IMHO this touches another burning topic: Its not that we do not want to > provide some PPA equivalent - its just that we do not realise it. I do > not remember how many years ago we talked about bikesheds (and > obviously we even

Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

2019-05-29 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 07:54:20AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > As an example, Ubuntu makes it easy to add side-loaded channels (ppas). > we don't. IMHO this touches another burning topic: Its not that we do not want to provide some PPA equivalent - its just that we do not realise it. I do not