On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 07:44:59PM -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote:
Then lets look at how stable ubuntu stable is or is not. I know I've
seen posts on these lists suggesting that ubuntu stable tends to pull
in things from debian unstable[1] and is therefore less stable.
Ubuntu does not pull
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 01:05:56AM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote:
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 04:02:04PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
- X ran with the wrong resolution (typical i915 problem) and with the wrong
dpi setting
Can't speak to that; my ATI Firegl video worked automatically out of
the
Personally I think the DS team have enough work making sure
security updates are a smooth process for packages *in the
OS*: being expected to test random-external-package-x on top
of that is asking too much.
Well, might be. I dont really know if the Sarge's OOo 2.0 beta crashes
too,
Am Montag, 4. September 2006 08:08 schrieb Mgr. Peter Tuharsky:
Personally I think the DS team have enough work making sure
security updates are a smooth process for packages *in the
OS*: being expected to test random-external-package-x on top
of that is asking too much.
At 1156986534 past the epoch, Michelle Konzack wrote:
to be fair with Mgr Tuharsky, I think that it is
important to remind that the bug he is talking about in
not affecting OpenOffice only, that it was introduced by
a security update, and that for various reasons the fix
takes months to
Am 2006-08-29 11:55:05, schrieb Charles Plessy:
Dear Michelle,
to be fair with Mgr Tuharsky, I think that it is important to remind
that the bug he is talking about in not affecting OpenOffice only, that
it was introduced by a security update, and that for various reasons the
fix takes
* Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-31 01:08:54 +0200]:
Am 2006-08-29 11:55:05, schrieb Charles Plessy:
Dear Michelle,
to be fair with Mgr Tuharsky, I think that it is important to remind
that the bug he is talking about in not affecting OpenOffice only, that
it was
John Goerzen wrote:
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:09:54PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
ciol wrote:
The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like
volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's
difficult to see the links.
The... err...
Am 2006-08-24 17:51:55, schrieb Rudy Godoy:
I do believe it's more a matter of relations with press and media than
budget. We have no easy-way-to-get-it to tell people why they would want to
use Debian. Ubuntu, on the other hand, has achieved to do so, and what they
tell that we can't?
Am 2006-08-25 11:46:20, schrieb Mgr. Peter Tuharsky:
1b, If things don't work, it's sometimes hard to get them working
either. Example: Bug 372719. The OOo 2.0 keeps crashing for 2 months
thank to KNOWN bug in security upgrade. Now tell somebody, that Debian
But OOo 2.0 is not in Stable!
Am 2006-08-26 02:56:25, schrieb Hendrik Sattler:
Am Freitag 25 August 2006 12:54 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
Given that a kernel image these days takes up about 50M already
I guess that those that care for the smallest possible base system (and those
that hate initrd/initramfs) have their own
Am 2006-08-26 02:01:21, schrieb Benjamin Seidenberg:
You can always use a Transnational Republic ID card.
:-)
Where can I get this? - Martin?
Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
Tamay Dogan Network
Debian GNU/Linux Consultant
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Am 2006-08-27 01:19:23, schrieb Adam Borowski:
I am pretty sure Michelle has at least _some_ sort of ID, even as an
illegal alien. And with the current anti-Arab scare she would be
already deported were she lacking complete valid papers -- you can
sit in peace if you don't travel anywhere,
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 10:26:22AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
[volatile and backports]
As it is, it is unclear to me who is building those packages, of what
quality they are, and what kind of security support they are receiving.
Volatile was set up by Andreas Barth, and is maintained by Andreas
On Sun August 27 2006 18:55, you wrote:
Deferring to Ubuntu for this work is the worst sort of defeatist
nonsense and I will not to bow to it. I like collaborating with the
Ubuntu people, but I refuse to compromise my own work or Debian as a
project just so that they can excel.
I think you
[sorry for the duplicate, but I want to fix the threading]
On Sun August 27 2006 18:55, David Nusinow wrote:
Deferring to Ubuntu for this work is the worst sort of defeatist
nonsense and I will not to bow to it. I like collaborating with the
Ubuntu people, but I refuse to compromise my own
Bruce,
Uhm, Debian's target audience is not Joe User, never has been AFAICT.
Joe isn't usually capable of determining which MTA, web server, proxy
server, etc., specific implementation is best for them, assuming they
are even aware of the architecture underlying the UI they see... Debian
Rudy:
There is so much to say about that, that I hardly
can remember the very concrete cases, so please don't attack me on that
basis.
I wasn't attacking you, If you had that impression I'm sorry.
No, I really hadn't. I mentioned that just preventively, not targeted at
You -because I
Wouter:
1, Ubuntu places the care about the average-Joe-user at first place at
worst. Debian dosen't.
That's true, but this is improving.
Hope I could see it soon. Really.
I don't tell the ideology is not valid; I just tell that often this is
in the state Users, wait until we solve this
To make the picture more complete, not only desktop needs current
software. The Debian on server lacks sometimes too.
Few examples: PHP5, bunch of Clamav-related packages for proxy and mail
interaction, Squid3. They're in Etch, however if released as official
update of Debian, should do.
On 8/28/06, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're speaking about distributions that are intended for daily use, not
for experiments. To make it clear, Debian 3.1 Sarge and Ubuntu 6.06. If
the Etch has it, that's great. However that dosen't matter answering the
Debian is at least as
* Mgr. Peter Tuharsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-28 12:05]:
To make the picture more complete, not only desktop needs current
software. The Debian on server lacks sometimes too.
Few examples: PHP5, bunch of Clamav-related packages for proxy and mail
interaction, Squid3. They're in Etch,
On Aug 28, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whoo no way! I don't want to updated my servers more than once 18-24
months. I don't need php5, specs says php4 and php5, squid does it's job
very good and clamav from volatile rounds the package up.
Then don't.
The problem for people like
Martin Wuertele wrote:
Clamav is in volatile, php5 in backports, haven't checked squid3.
The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like
volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's
difficult to see the links.
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On Aug 28, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
You don't run a lot of servers if you want to update them more
frequently.
You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many
different packages
* Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-08-28 12:35]:
You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many
different packages more recent than a couple of years.
That's when backports and chroots comes in.
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On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 11:33:00AM +0200, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
Wouter:
I don't tell the ideology is not valid; I just tell that often this is
in the state Users, wait until we solve this ideologically, it may
take some years. Well, user dosen't have the years and need things
working, so
At the beginning of my comments, there has been a statement from Rudy:
We have no easy-way-to-get-it to tell people why they would want to
use Debian. Ubuntu, on the other hand, has achieved to do so, and what
they tell that we can't? nothing. and as his message continues
(25.08.2006 00:51)
I
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:33:00 +0200, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
Mplayer can be installed easily by adding the right line to your
sources.list. It's all over the internet. Same goes for codecs.
Yes, I'll try to replicate that sentence to my aunt or cousin. It will
be of great help for sure.
Wouter, it seems You don't understand my point of view.
I don't question development results in Debian. I, too, couldn't,
because so far I haven't met any Etch installation.
I read Weekly news and watch the progress. I see there's quite a
development inside of Debian. As of release cycle being
On Aug 28, Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You don't run a lot of servers either if you never need versions of many
different packages more recent than a couple of years.
That's when backports and chroots comes in.
Backports have dubious quality and do not get real security support.
Am 2006-08-24 17:51:55, schrieb Rudy Godoy:
I do believe it's more a matter of relations with press and media than
budget. We have no easy-way-to-get-it to tell people why they would want to
use Debian. Ubuntu, on the other hand, has achieved to do so, and what they
tell that we can't?
Am 2006-08-25 11:46:20, schrieb Mgr. Peter Tuharsky:
1b, If things don't work, it's sometimes hard to get them working
either. Example: Bug 372719. The OOo 2.0 keeps crashing for 2 months
thank to KNOWN bug in security upgrade. Now tell somebody, that Debian
But OOo 2.0 is not in Stable!
ciol wrote:
Clamav is in volatile, php5 in backports, haven't checked squid3.
... squid3 is in *gosh* testing.
The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like
volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's
difficult to see the links.
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:09:54PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
ciol wrote:
The problem is that Debian doesn't speak a lot about nice features like
volatile and backports, for instance in the official web site, where it's
difficult to see the links.
The... err... issue is that these
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 01:17:42PM +0200, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
At the beginning of my comments, there has been a statement from Rudy:
We have no easy-way-to-get-it to tell people why they would want to
use Debian. Ubuntu, on the other hand, has achieved to do so, and what
they tell
Adam Borowski wrote:
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 02:01:21AM -0400, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote:
Michelle Konzack wrote:
Since I have no valid ID-Card (problens with France, since I am origin
iranish/turkish witeh illegal german adoptivp arents) I can not enter
the NM... nobody can sign
Le Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 10:00:08PM +0200, Michelle Konzack a écrit :
Am 2006-08-25 11:46:20, schrieb Mgr. Peter Tuharsky:
1b, If things don't work, it's sometimes hard to get them working
either. Example: Bug 372719. The OOo 2.0 keeps crashing for 2 months
thank to KNOWN bug in security
Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe the debian website would deserve a section in which Debian
communicates on those issues. After all, I think that they are similar
in concept (but not in gravity) to recalls seen in the industry: a
broken material was released, so special
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 01:05:56AM -0400, Theodore Tso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I agree that it would be nice if ifplugd or laptop-net were installed
by default, but last I checked Debian didn't install either by
default, either. So what's your point?
Aren't they part of the laptop task,
Am Sonntag 27 August 2006 07:05 schrieb Theodore Tso:
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 04:02:04PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
- installer did not read in the CDs for package lists and the GUI does
not even support this (or for any other means of modifying
/etc/apt/sources.list)
From the
So can we do this? Load kernel modules or even extra udebs from a
CD/floppy/usb stick/URL that the user provides during the installation
process?
Now I think about it, I seem to remember doing this back with
boot-floppies, to get an e1000 network controller to be recognised by the
installer,
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 12:03:25PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Am Sonntag 27 August 2006 07:05 schrieb Theodore Tso:
From the menubar. System -- Administration -- Synaptic Package Manager
Funny, Synaptic was not installed but something called adept. Guess what you
have to do to install
Hendrik Sattler wrote:
- something useful like ifplugd was not installed and the user was
puzzled by the fact that plugging in the network cable did not
result in network access
I agree that it would be nice if ifplugd or laptop-net were installed
by default, but last I checked Debian didn't
maybe backports should be considered a 1st class part of Debian; so
in addition to old-stable, stable, testing, and unstable, we could
add, stable-useful. The fact of the matter is that the stable
distribution today is pretty much useless for desktop users, and
useless for people who need to
This stuff did not even exist when Sarge was released. Half of userland would
not fit this hardware, so who cares.
Everyone who would like to install a stable Debian release on hardware
currently available for purchase.
And this non-free stuff is nothing to discuss about.
Good for you -
Lørdag 26 august 2006 15:15, skrev Theodore Tso:
No support for: (The * are critical)
* SATA Hard Drives (*)
* IPW3945 wireless (*)
* Intel AD1981 HD Audio (*)
* 3D Graphics support on the ATI FireGL V5200 card
(propietary kernel module)
Am Sonntag 27 August 2006 23:30 schrieb Knut Yrvin:
A list of version numbers on important software packages on the test
version of Debian-edu/Skolelinux (The Kubuntu Dapper version number in
parenthesis):
- Kernel 2.16.2 (2.6.15)
That cannot be correct.
HS
On 8/28/06, Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am Sonntag 27 August 2006 23:30 schrieb Knut Yrvin:
A list of version numbers on important software packages on the test
version of Debian-edu/Skolelinux (The Kubuntu Dapper version number in
parenthesis):
- Kernel 2.16.2 (2.6.15)
That
Søndag 27 august 2006 23:48, skrev Hendrik Sattler:
- Kernel 2.16.2 (2.6.15)
That cannot be correct.
Correction. I forgot the digit #6 :
Kernel 2.6.16-2 (2.6.15)
- K
On 08/26/06 03:26:12PM +, Sam Morris wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:02:04 +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Am Samstag 26 August 2006 15:15 schrieb Theodore Tso:
No support for: (The * are critical)
* SATA Hard Drives (*)
* Intel AD1981 HD Audio (*)
This stuff did not even
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On 08/26/06 03:26:12PM +, Sam Morris wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:02:04 +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Am Samstag 26 August 2006 15:15 schrieb Theodore Tso:
No support for: (The * are critical)
* SATA Hard Drives (*) *
On Sun August 27 2006 06:47, Sander Marechal wrote:
Hendrik Sattler wrote:
It's all about expectations. Always keep in mind that the target
group differs a lot between Ubuntu and Debian.
I wouldn't say they differ. Ubuntu targets only a small subset of
Debian users. Maybe Debian should
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:37:58PM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote:
On Sun August 27 2006 06:47, Sander Marechal wrote:
* Desktop - basic: Simple minimal GNOME installation pretty much as
it is now, maybe with even less software preinstalled. (I was
surprised by the ammount of software that came
David Nusinow wrote:
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:37:58PM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote:
On Sun August 27 2006 06:47, Sander Marechal wrote:
* Desktop - basic: Simple minimal GNOME installation pretty much as
it is now, maybe with even less software preinstalled. (I was
surprised by the ammount of
Michelle Konzack wrote:
Since I have no valid ID-Card (problens with France, since I am origin
iranish/turkish witeh illegal german adoptivp arents) I can not enter
the NM... nobody can sign legaly my GPG key and more bs.
Maybe if I go back to Iran or Turkey it would be possible for me.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:56:21AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
This sort of vague anecdotal evidence has been repeated over and over.
It may be true, but as far as I know, nobody has yet to come forth with
reporting specific problems in Debian, only x worked out of the box in
ubuntu but not in
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 11:42:56PM -0400, Theodore Tso wrote:
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:56:21AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
This sort of vague anecdotal evidence has been repeated over and over.
It may be true, but as far as I know, nobody has yet to come forth with
reporting specific
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 02:16:53AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
OK, I have a brand-spanking new IBM/Lenovo T60p laptop with nice, fast
SATA Drives, Intel Dual Core CPU's; 1600x1200 display --- sexy
machine. Debian stable doesn't run on it. Ubuntu 6.06 LTS installed
Out of curiousity, why
Am Samstag 26 August 2006 15:15 schrieb Theodore Tso:
No support for: (The * are critical)
* SATA Hard Drives (*)
* Intel AD1981 HD Audio (*)
This stuff did not even exist when Sarge was released. Half of userland would
not fit this hardware, so who cares.
* IPW3945
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Am Samstag 26 August 2006 15:15 schrieb Theodore Tso:
No support for: (The * are critical)
* SATA Hard Drives (*) * Intel AD1981 HD Audio (*)
This stuff did not even exist when Sarge was released. Half of
userland would
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:02:04 +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Am Samstag 26 August 2006 15:15 schrieb Theodore Tso:
No support for: (The * are critical)
* SATA Hard Drives (*)
* Intel AD1981 HD Audio (*)
This stuff did not even exist when Sarge was released. Half of userland would
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 11:46:20AM +0200, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
I cannot 100% agree with You, althought Your point is for sure partially
valid.
I really don't believe that Debian can equal itself with Ubuntu in terms
of user friendliness. There is so much to say about that, that I
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 04:02:04PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Additionally, Ubuntu is not more usable for wireless networks than Debian:
the
network configuration only support the useless WEP, no WPA.
I recently bought a System76 laptop with Ubuntu 6.06 pre-installed,
and Network Manager
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:26:12 + (UTC), Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:02:04 +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Am Samstag 26 August 2006 15:15 schrieb Theodore Tso:
No support for: (The * are critical)
* SATA Hard Drives (*)
* Intel AD1981 HD Audio (*)
This
Am Samstag 26 August 2006 21:34 schrieb Matthew R. Dempsky:
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 04:02:04PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Additionally, Ubuntu is not more usable for wireless networks than
Debian: the network configuration only support the useless WEP, no WPA.
I recently bought a
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:56:21AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
Because, hardware support seems to be better in Ubutuntu than in Debian?
I've not tested it by myself, but I've heard from many people claiming
that their hardware (especially Laptop hardware) works perfectly out of
the box with
On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 22:00 +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Not in my experience. I've handled all network details through
Network Manager on this laptop.
AFAIK, no released version of network manager supports WPA.
AFAIK, network manager uses wpasupplicant
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On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 02:01:21AM -0400, Benjamin Seidenberg wrote:
Michelle Konzack wrote:
Since I have no valid ID-Card (problens with France, since I am origin
iranish/turkish witeh illegal german adoptivp arents) I can not enter
the NM... nobody can sign legaly my GPG key and more bs.
Am Samstag 26 August 2006 23:03 schrieb Yves-Alexis Perez:
On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 22:00 +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Not in my experience. I've handled all network details through
Network Manager on this laptop.
AFAIK, no released version of network manager supports WPA.
AFAIK,
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 01:19:47PM -0600, Hubert Chan wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:26:12 + (UTC), Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:02:04 +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Am Samstag 26 August 2006 15:15 schrieb Theodore Tso:
No support for: (The * are critical)
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 10:00:01PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
WEP works with network manager but how did you manage WPA via wpa_supplicant
with the GUI setup tools? It only offered WEP when I looked at it.
I have to choose ``Connect to Other Wireless Network...'' (or whatever
the option in
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:29:37 -0500, John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 01:19:47PM -0600, Hubert Chan wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:26:12 + (UTC), Sam Morris
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
[...]
How do other long-lived distributions handle this problem? How does
one
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 04:02:04PM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Am Samstag 26 August 2006 15:15 schrieb Theodore Tso:
No support for: (The * are critical)
* SATA Hard Drives (*)
* Intel AD1981 HD Audio (*)
This stuff did not even exist when Sarge was released. Half of
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 03:26:12PM +, Sam Morris wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:02:04 +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
Am Samstag 26 August 2006 15:15 schrieb Theodore Tso:
No support for: (The * are critical)
* SATA Hard Drives (*)
* Intel AD1981 HD Audio (*)
This stuff did
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Russ Allbery wrote:
We really need to put our heads together and come up with a good system
for managing pre-built kernel modules for the kernels in Debian. It's a
much more widespread problem than just a question of free vs. non-free.
It's possible to do right now, but
I cannot 100% agree with You, althought Your point is for sure partially
valid.
I really don't believe that Debian can equal itself with Ubuntu in terms
of user friendliness. There is so much to say about that, that I hardly
can remember the very concrete cases, so please don't attack me on
Am 2006-08-24 11:12:04, schrieb John Goerzen:
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 12:05:53PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2006-07-28 12:43:55, schrieb John Goerzen:
I like the fact that a base Debian install is only 100MB. Most of
Debian's competitors are 10 times that.
Ist now over 200
Am 2006-08-24 11:56:21, schrieb John Goerzen:
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
Because, hardware support seems to be better in Ubutuntu than in Debian?
I've not tested it by myself, but I've heard from many people claiming
that their hardware (especially
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Russ Allbery wrote:
We really need to put our heads together and come up with a good system
for managing pre-built kernel modules for the kernels in Debian. It's
a much more widespread problem than just a question of free
vs.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:12:04AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 12:05:53PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2006-07-28 12:43:55, schrieb John Goerzen:
I like the fact that a base Debian install is only 100MB. Most of
Debian's competitors are 10 times that.
On Fri August 25 2006 03:46, Mgr. Peter Tuharsky wrote:
I cannot 100% agree with You, althought Your point is for sure
partially valid.
Uhm, Debian's target audience is not Joe User, never has been AFAICT.
Joe isn't usually capable of determining which MTA, web server, proxy
server, etc.,
Am Freitag 25 August 2006 12:54 schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
Given that a kernel image these days takes up about 50M already
I guess that those that care for the smallest possible base system (and those
that hate initrd/initramfs) have their own kernel. My one (for a laptop) has
an installed size
Am 2006-07-28 12:43:55, schrieb John Goerzen:
I like the fact that a base Debian install is only 100MB. Most of
Debian's competitors are 10 times that.
Ist now over 200 MByte...
It was Woody with 64 MByte but a custom Sarge can striped to 92 MByte
which would be interesting for Servers,
Hello Katrina,
Am 2006-07-28 12:42:01, schrieb Katrina Jackson:
PS. Hardware, Hardware, Hardware, I have to confess, if there was better
hardware support I think most people would be happy. Hardware supported by
Ubuntu 6 months ago, should be supported by Debian by now.
Why do you try to
Am 2006-07-28 13:35:30, schrieb Katrina Jackson:
You say Ubuntu has better publicity, which it does. But why is this the
case? I know Mark has more money, but since you have so many programmers,
He is Miliardaire (TV interview and his own words).
and seem so passionate about your OS, why
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 12:05:53PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2006-07-28 12:43:55, schrieb John Goerzen:
I like the fact that a base Debian install is only 100MB. Most of
Debian's competitors are 10 times that.
Ist now over 200 MByte...
No. I've been doing a ton of etch
Michelle Konzack wrote:
Hello Katrina,
Am 2006-07-28 12:42:01, schrieb Katrina Jackson:
PS. Hardware, Hardware, Hardware, I have to confess, if there was better
hardware support I think most people would be happy. Hardware supported by
Ubuntu 6 months ago, should be supported by Debian
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
which is definitifly a thing of the Kernel (Linux) which depend
on the support of the hardware manufacturer. If you want to
get better hardware support, please contact the manufacturer.
Because, hardware support seems to be
John Goerzen wrote:
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
which is definitifly a thing of the Kernel (Linux) which depend
on the support of the hardware manufacturer. If you want to
get better hardware support, please contact the manufacturer.
Because, hardware
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 07:29:22PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
John Goerzen wrote:
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 06:16:49PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
which is definitifly a thing of the Kernel (Linux) which depend
on the support of the hardware manufacturer. If you want to
get better
Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
Sander Marechal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't think Debian should do that, but perhaps the process to install
them after the fact could be easier for people who are not full blown
Linux admins?
Are you aware of module-assistant?
Nope, but I was going off
Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
Sander Marechal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't think Debian should do that, but perhaps the process to install
them after the fact could be easier for people who are not full blown
Linux admins?
Are you aware of module-assistant?
module-assistant is cool, if you
Sander Marechal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't think Debian should do that, but perhaps the process to install
them after the fact could be easier for people who are not full blown
Linux admins?
Are you aware of module-assistant?
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Aaron M. Ucko, KB1CJC (amu at alum.mit.edu, ucko at
Bastian Venthur wrote:
Michelle Konzack wrote:
Hello Katrina,
Am 2006-07-28 12:42:01, schrieb Katrina Jackson:
PS. Hardware, Hardware, Hardware, I have to confess, if there was better
hardware support I think most people would be happy. Hardware supported by
Ubuntu 6 months ago, should
Sander Marechal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
Sander Marechal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't think Debian should do that, but perhaps the process to
install them after the fact could be easier for people who are not
full blown Linux admins?
Are you aware of
Em Quinta 24 Agosto 2006 18:08, Bastian Venthur escreveu:
Hi!
Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
Sander Marechal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't think Debian should do that, but perhaps the process to install
them after the fact could be easier for people who are not full blown
Linux admins?
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 07:26:04PM -0300, Fabricio aybabtu Cannini wrote:
I'm really a noob when it comes to the kernel guts, but i wonder,
can't it be made like updating /boot/grub/menu.lst with a new kernel version ?
Yes, you could in theory compile a kernel module package from another
El día 24/08/2006 a 11:25 Michelle Konzack escribió...
Am 2006-07-28 13:35:30, schrieb Katrina Jackson:
You say Ubuntu has better publicity, which it does. But why is this the
case? I know Mark has more money, but since you have so many programmers,
He is Miliardaire (TV interview and
Em Quinta 24 Agosto 2006 19:37, Steinar H. Gunderson escreveu:
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 07:26:04PM -0300, Fabricio aybabtu Cannini wrote:
I'm really a noob when it comes to the kernel guts, but i wonder,
can't it be made like updating /boot/grub/menu.lst with a new kernel
version ?
Yes,
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