Re: dak-roulette activated
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 01:07:32AM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: The residents of #debian-uk are pleased to announce that, in conjunction with our friendly FTP masters, dak-roulette has just been activated in cron on ftp-master.debian.org targetting unstable and no particular maintainer. I enclose the documentation for your reference. This seems to be a misnomer. The documentation makes it clear that it's based on Russian roulette, not on roulette the casino game; dak-roulette is as a result misleading, we should find a better name for this. How about dak-svidanya? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: dak-roulette activated
Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com writes: Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this could get us to a release really soon. While britney still removes packages from testing that are no longer in unstable, it only does so when this doesn't make (other) packages in testing uninstallable. So dak-roulette might help with RC buggy leaf packages, but is unlikely to fix packages with many reverse dependencies such as, for example, apt. Ansgar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mwtiljov@eisei.43-1.org
Re: [Debian-uk] dak-roulette activated
On Mon, 2013-04-01 at 01:05 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 01:07:32AM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: The residents of #debian-uk are pleased to announce that, in conjunction with our friendly FTP masters, dak-roulette has just been activated in cron on ftp-master.debian.org targetting unstable and no particular maintainer. I enclose the documentation for your reference. This seems to be a misnomer. The documentation makes it clear that it's based on Russian roulette, not on roulette the casino game; That's a minor issue, are we sure the case when it shoots itself has been fully tested? -- Roger Gammans rgamm...@gammascience.co.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1364804964.3203.0.ca...@agatha.computer-surgery.co.uk
Re: [Debian-uk] dak-roulette activated
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 21:29:24 +1300 Roger Gammans rgamm...@gammascience.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 2013-04-01 at 01:05 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 01:07:32AM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: The residents of #debian-uk are pleased to announce that, in conjunction with our friendly FTP masters, dak-roulette has just been activated in cron on ftp-master.debian.org targetting unstable and no particular maintainer. I enclose the documentation for your reference. This seems to be a misnomer. The documentation makes it clear that it's based on Russian roulette, not on roulette the casino game; That's a minor issue, are we sure the case when it shoots itself has been fully tested? That's easy, this isn't a package, so cannot be removed by dak. -- Neil Williams = http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/ pgpcfA8DI6zcW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Debian-uk] dak-roulette activated
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org wrote:
That's a minor issue, are we sure the case when it shoots itself has
been fully tested?
That's easy, this isn't a package, so cannot be removed by dak.
Can be packaged. Who owns ITP of it? :)
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Re: dak-roulette activated
Quoting Ansgar Burchardt (ans...@debian.org): Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com writes: Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this could get us to a release really soon. While britney still removes packages from testing that are no longer in unstable, it only does so when this doesn't make (other) packages in testing uninstallable. There could be a --recursive option implemented so that revese dependencies are also removed. I'm pondering a wishlist bug report for this. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Debian-uk] dak-roulette activated
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 01:05:06AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 01:07:32AM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: The residents of #debian-uk are pleased to announce that, in conjunction with our friendly FTP masters, dak-roulette has just been activated in cron on ftp-master.debian.org targetting unstable and no particular maintainer. I enclose the documentation for your reference. This seems to be a misnomer. The documentation makes it clear that it's based on Russian roulette, not on roulette the casino game; dak-roulette is as a result misleading, we should find a better name for this. How about dak-svidanya? More to the point, this far into freeze such packages should only ever be uploaded to the existential repository. -- Paul Martin p...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: dak-roulette activated
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 07:15:39PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: In order to get the release timing for Debian to fit in just one CD under such construction, I suggest you take the average size of packages and multiply it by the space we need to save. Then we can run a contest similar to Christian Perrier's bug #x0. There could be an alternative way to look at the problem: if we shoot at random in the archive, larger packages should be easier to hit. dak-roulette should have an option to weight hit probability according to package size. That'll make it much faster to converge to fit into one CD again, and provide a good incentive for people to spend time optimizing their packages to make them appropriately inconspicuous. Ciao, Enrico -- GPG key: 4096R/E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini enr...@enricozini.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130401103318.ga27...@enricozini.org
Re: dak-roulette activated
On 04/01/2013 08:37 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this could get us to a release really soon. Scott K My understanding is that such cron is set to run once a year, at the same date as today... :) Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51598c63.5050...@debian.org
Re: dak-roulette activated
]] Enrico Zini On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 07:15:39PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: In order to get the release timing for Debian to fit in just one CD under such construction, I suggest you take the average size of packages and multiply it by the space we need to save. Then we can run a contest similar to Christian Perrier's bug #x0. There could be an alternative way to look at the problem: if we shoot at random in the archive, larger packages should be easier to hit. More popular packages might also be easier to hit, since there are more copies of them floating around. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/m21uau8jd4@rahvafeir.err.no
Re: dak-roulette activated
On Monday, April 01, 2013 09:32:19 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: On 04/01/2013 08:37 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this could get us to a release really soon. Scott K My understanding is that such cron is set to run once a year, at the same date as today... :) Surely not. That won't help much. Probably the release team's fault. Scott K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1891440.douZz24bDG@scott-latitude-e6320
dak-roulette activated
The residents of #debian-uk are pleased to announce that, in conjunction with our friendly FTP masters, dak-roulette has just been activated in cron on ftp-master.debian.org targetting unstable and no particular maintainer. I enclose the documentation for your reference. __ dak-roulette(1)dak-roulette(1) NAME dak-roulette - play roulette with the Debian archive SYNOPSIS dak-roulette [options] DESCRIPTION dak-roulette plays roulette with the Debian archive, removing packages at random under the correct conditions. Following invocation, the 'gun' is loaded with a single bullet and aimed at a randomly-chosen package. The gun is fired. If the bullet finds its mark, the package is removed and the maintainer notified. Various switches can influence the behaviour of dak-roulette. OPTIONS -f, --fill-gun Fill the gun, leading to certain removal and the ensuing enter‐ tainment. -q, --quiet Do not notify the maintainer of the removed package. By default a standard mail is sent. -s suite, --suite=suite Act on the specified suite, by default unstable. --allow-important Allow dak-roulette to remove packages with priority important and lower from the archive. By default, only standard, optional and extra packages are targets. --allow-required Allow dak-roulette to remove packages with priority required and lower from the archive (implies --allow-important). --pick-on=email Limit the list of targets to those maintained by a particular maintainer, identified by email. -n, --miss Deliberately miss the target, but print what would have happened (dry run). FILES /etc/dak/roulette-notify.txt Default message body to send to maintainers of removed packages. NOTES dak-roulette is best run from cron for maximum entertainment. AUTHORS dak-roulette was born out of a sense of mischief shared by the inhabi‐ tants of #debian-uk and #debian-ftp. This manual page was written by Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org and distributed under the GNU General Public License, version 2. The author takes no responsibility for any consequences resulting from use of this program. 2013-04-01 dak-roulette(1) -- Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: dak-roulette activated
On Monday, April 01, 2013 01:07:32 AM Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: The residents of #debian-uk are pleased to announce that, in conjunction with our friendly FTP masters, dak-roulette has just been activated in cron on ftp-master.debian.org targetting unstable and no particular maintainer. I enclose the documentation for your reference. __ dak-roulette(1) dak-roulette(1) NAME dak-roulette - play roulette with the Debian archive SYNOPSIS dak-roulette [options] DESCRIPTION dak-roulette plays roulette with the Debian archive, removing packages at random under the correct conditions. Following invocation, the 'gun' is loaded with a single bullet and aimed at a randomly-chosen package. The gun is fired. If the bullet finds its mark, the package is removed and the maintainer notified. Various switches can influence the behaviour of dak-roulette. OPTIONS -f, --fill-gun Fill the gun, leading to certain removal and the ensuing enter‐ tainment. -q, --quiet Do not notify the maintainer of the removed package. By default a standard mail is sent. -s suite, --suite=suite Act on the specified suite, by default unstable. --allow-important Allow dak-roulette to remove packages with priority important and lower from the archive. By default, only standard, optional and extra packages are targets. --allow-required Allow dak-roulette to remove packages with priority required and lower from the archive (implies --allow-important). --pick-on=email Limit the list of targets to those maintained by a particular maintainer, identified by email. -n, --miss Deliberately miss the target, but print what would have happened (dry run). FILES /etc/dak/roulette-notify.txt Default message body to send to maintainers of removed packages. NOTES dak-roulette is best run from cron for maximum entertainment. AUTHORS dak-roulette was born out of a sense of mischief shared by the inhabi‐ tants of #debian-uk and #debian-ftp. This manual page was written by Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org and distributed under the GNU General Public License, version 2. The author takes no responsibility for any consequences resulting from use of this program. 2013-04-01 dak-roulette(1) Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this could get us to a release really soon. Scott K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2128657.P5FHgtjACH@scott-latitude-e6320
Re: dak-roulette activated
Scott Kitterman, le Sun 31 Mar 2013 20:37:38 -0400, a écrit : dak-roulette(1) Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this could get us to a release really soon. Which could even fit on just one CD! Samuel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130401004056.gh17...@type.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr
Re: dak-roulette activated
Samuel Thibault dijo [Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 02:40:56AM +0200]: Scott Kitterman, le Sun 31 Mar 2013 20:37:38 -0400, a écrit : dak-roulette(1) Excellent. What's the interval on the cron runs? If we get lucky, this could get us to a release really soon. Which could even fit on just one CD! If it runs via a cron job, it can reduce up to 1440 packages in a day (of course, the ratio of bullets to clicks has to be taken in consideration). So this might really speed up the release process: Given ~30,000 source packages in the archive, it says basically release in three weeks OR ELSE. In order to get the release timing for Debian to fit in just one CD under such construction, I suggest you take the average size of packages and multiply it by the space we need to save. Then we can run a contest similar to Christian Perrier's bug #x0. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130401011539.gd71...@gwolf.org
