Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-16 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.us wrote: On Monday, March 05, 2012 10:42:50, Reinhard Tartler wrote: ... Friendly discussion with the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org to not replace libraries such as libavcodec and friends have failed ultimatively (BTW,

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-16 Thread Andres Mejia
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Reinhard Tartler siret...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.us wrote: On Monday, March 05, 2012 10:42:50, Reinhard Tartler wrote: ... Friendly discussion with the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org to not

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-16 Thread Chris Knadle
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Reinhard Tartler siret...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Chris Knadle chris.kna...@coredump.us wrote: On Monday, March 05, 2012 10:42:50, Reinhard Tartler wrote: ... Friendly discussion with the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-15 Thread Chris Knadle
On Monday, March 05, 2012 10:42:50, Reinhard Tartler wrote: ... Friendly discussion with the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org to not replace libraries such as libavcodec and friends have failed ultimatively (BTW, that is part of the reason why we've ended up with an epoch of '4', dmo uses

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-11 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO Pendant le temps de midi du samedi 10 mars 2012, vers 12:30, Eric Valette eric.vale...@free.fr disait : Yes acknowledged that vlc and mplayer are now up-to-date. vlc 0.5.3 was released on April, 8 2003. Debian package on April, 14 2003. vlc 0.8.6a was released on January, 4 2007.

Re: Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-11 Thread Eric Valette
When exactly was vlc not up-to-date on Debian? As long as it is unable to play dvd or various codec that are non supported given the option for compiling libav for example -- eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:44:50AM +0100, Eric Valette wrote: On 10/03/2012 11:14, Thomas Goirand wrote: Debian Squeeze has a very nice set of packages that will make a good fit for this platform. What do you think will be lacking exactly? XBMC, up to date ffmpeg at least with some non-free

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
[CC Eric - drop all other CCs] On 12-03-11 at 03:54pm, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:44:50AM +0100, Eric Valette wrote: On 10/03/2012 11:14, Thomas Goirand wrote: Debian Squeeze has a very nice set of packages that will make a good fit for this platform. What do you

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Eric Valette
While debian-multimedia.org has gained a reputation of providing packages, which were desperately lacking in Debian, IMO this repository has turned into a major source of trouble and pissed users provoking flamewars in the recent past. There is still a number of remaining multimedia-related

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 03/10/2012 05:07 PM, Eric Valette wrote: The problem is that debian per se 1) is unusable for any serious multimedia usage. 1/ I don't agree. 2/ Please define serious. what are the version of VLC, ffmpeg, xbmc provided by debian? In where? Stable? SID? Backports? FYI, you can check

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Eric Valette
On 10/03/2012 11:14, Thomas Goirand wrote: In where? Stable? SID? Backports? FYI, you can check all of this easily by yourself using packages.debian.org. Or are you trying to make the point that Debian has outdated packages? I ask you a question: what are the version of the packeges in debian

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Sat, 2012-03-10 at 11:44 +0100, Eric Valette wrote: I ask you a question: what are the version of the packeges in debian unstable and in debian-multimedia.org trying to be factual. I know the answer, I just would like someone from debian to write it down ;-) I know the version already

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Eric Valette
On 10/03/2012 11:44, Eric Valette wrote: I know the version already yes. And yes debian is completely outdated. To be fair, but catching up at least for vlc, mplayer... Still no xbmc, handbrake, libdvbcsa tough and quite old ffmpeg -- eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Eric Valette
On 10/03/2012 12:03, Eric Valette wrote: On 10/03/2012 11:44, Eric Valette wrote: I know the version already yes. And yes debian is completely outdated. To be fair, but catching up at least for vlc, mplayer... Still no xbmc, handbrake, libdvbcsa tough and quite old ffmpeg mythtv,

Re: Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Eric Valette
Yes acknowledged that vlc and mplayer are now up-to-date. Libav vs ffmpeg could be per se part of the debate. We could also speak about compilation options and induced feature/codec support what about xbmc, mythv, tvheadend, avidemux? -- eric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Philip Hands
On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:44:50 +0100, Eric Valette eric.vale...@free.fr wrote: On 10/03/2012 11:14, Thomas Goirand wrote: In where? Stable? SID? Backports? FYI, you can check all of this easily by yourself using packages.debian.org. Or are you trying to make the point that Debian has

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Eric Valette
On 10/03/2012 12:40, Philip Hands wrote: Really? Again, vlc or mplayer do not make a multi-media capable distribution. take a look at yavdr, openelec, geexbox, ubuntu studio and the packages they provide Read

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-03-10 at 12:30pm, Eric Valette wrote: Yes acknowledged that vlc and mplayer are now up-to-date. Libav vs ffmpeg could be per se part of the debate. We could also speak about compilation options and induced feature/codec support what about xbmc, mythv, tvheadend, avidemux? Well, you

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-03-10 at 01:34pm, Eric Valette wrote: On 10/03/2012 12:40, Philip Hands wrote: Really? Again, vlc or mplayer do not make a multi-media capable distribution. take a look at yavdr, openelec, geexbox, ubuntu studio and the packages they provide Read

Re: Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Eric Valette
take a look at yavdr, openelec, geexbox, ubuntu studio and the packages they provide Readhttp://thelinuxcauldron.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/the-list-the-top-5-media-center-programs-for-linux/ and see the one you have. Ahh, so your definition of serious multimedia is media centers.

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-03-10 at 04:39pm, Eric Valette wrote: take a look at yavdr, openelec, geexbox, ubuntu studio and the packages they provide Readhttp://thelinuxcauldron.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/the-list-the-top-5-media-center-programs-for-linux/ and see the one you have. Ahh, so your

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-10 Thread Ben Finney
Eric Valette eric.vale...@free.fr writes: Thanks for not copying me. Afraid I was going to answer? This mailing list, like all sensibly-run mailing lists, does not munge the ‘Reply-To’ field. If you have a conversation in a public forum, the onus is on you to participate in the discussion in

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-08 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-05 16:42:50 +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: Friendly discussion with the maintainer of debian-multimedia.org to not replace libraries such as libavcodec and friends have failed ultimatively (BTW, that is part of the reason why we've ended up with an epoch of '4', dmo uses epoch '5');

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-08 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2012-03-08, Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: It's worse than that. Security support is non-existent, and users don't know that. An example: [… non-free package …] Well, non-free in Debian proper doesn't have security support neither. But then I guess one could argue that users at

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-08 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-08 12:35:53 +, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2012-03-08, Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net wrote: It's worse than that. Security support is non-existent, and users don't know that. An example: [… non-free package …] Well, non-free in Debian proper doesn't have security support

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-06 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, Mar 06, 2012 at 10:23:33AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: On Di, 06 Mär 2012, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: the Blends framework. I would most probably drop some file /etc/apt/preferences.d/01-disable-dmo.pref in multimedia-config metapackage (where all other metapackages

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-06 Thread Norbert Preining
On Di, 06 Mär 2012, Andreas Tille wrote: I wonder what criterion of serios bug would apply here. Just for the sake of interest because I do not intend to implement this personally. Too lazy to search for it, but overriding a configuration of a system admin is for sure not allowed. If it would

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-06 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hey. Stupid question... but even for those packages, which Debian provides now itself (by the fine work of the pkg-multimedia-maintainers)... are they build with all the options enabled? I believe to remember that there were some cases where mp4 stuff was disabled then... I surely haven't had

debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-05 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Thijs Kinkhorst th...@debian.org wrote: But before getting there, the question is whether the existence of the website (and its popularity) poses problem to Debian reputation and/or to the activity of official Debian multimedia packaging. I think this is a

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-05 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:42:50PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: In summary, I can only advise everyone against enabling that repository on any machine. If I would have time to become a pkg-multimedia member I would try to establish installing multimedia applications via metapackages build be

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-05 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-03-05 at 11:04pm, Andreas Tille wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 04:42:50PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: In summary, I can only advise everyone against enabling that repository on any machine. If I would have time to become a pkg-multimedia member I would try to establish

Re: debian-multimedia.org considered harmful, Was: Unofficial repositories on 'debian' domains

2012-03-05 Thread Norbert Preining
On Di, 06 Mär 2012, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: the Blends framework. I would most probably drop some file /etc/apt/preferences.d/01-disable-dmo.pref in multimedia-config metapackage (where all other metapackages usually And I would file a serious bug against that. There is no