Jon Dowland writes (Re: debian mate):
On 22 Nov 2012, at 15:57, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
So if you don't like that decision it should be escalated to the
Technical Committee.
I'm surprised that *anyone* can refer issues to tech ctte.
Of course they can. Users
Am 22.11.2012 16:57, schrieb Ian Jackson:
Michael Schmitt writes (Re: debian mate):
Am 21.11.2012 10:30, schrieb Neil Williams:
As part of the Debian release team it is Adam's call to make. He's
declared his decision which is fully in line with the freeze policy and
that's
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 08:12:55PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Because nobody knows anymore how to maintain libraries as complex as
bonobo, for example. And I’m pretty sure the MATE developers don’t have
the expertise.
Yet.
Can you please accept that there are some people who dislike
Am 22.11.2012 08:37, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
Le jeudi 22 novembre 2012 à 07:21 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
Now I see how that works for the gnome folks! *lol* Really, if the
general gnome attitude is all complaints are dumb and should be
ignored, what we do is the holly grail then...
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:35:51AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Are you kidding me? The Bonobo interface in gnome-panel 2.x is a
horrible PITA. And this is not about reinventing the wheel, it’s basic
porting work that anyone with basic C and autotools knowledge can do.
The we link against
Le jeudi 22 novembre 2012 à 09:29 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
Please read http://theoatmeal.com/comics/making_things (especially the
last part about comments). It completely applies here.
Just one thing, no, that comic does not explain how a fruitful
relationship between $PROJECT and
Michael Schmitt writes (Re: debian mate):
Am 21.11.2012 10:30, schrieb Neil Williams:
As part of the Debian release team it is Adam's call to make. He's
declared his decision which is fully in line with the freeze policy and
that's that. There is no point even thinking about MATE in Wheezy
On 22 Nov 2012, at 15:57, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
So if you don't like that decision it should be escalated to the
Technical Committee.
I'm surprised that *anyone* can refer issues to tech ctte. Has a non DD ever
submitted something worthwhile?
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* Jon Dowland j...@debian.org, 2012-11-22, 18:33:
So if you don't like that decision it should be escalated to the
Technical Committee.
I'm surprised that *anyone* can refer issues to tech ctte.
I'm surprised you're surprised.
Has a non DD ever submitted something worthwhile?
#587886
GNOME Classic is just as featureful and usable as GNOME Shell,
which makes it very suitable for a default desktop on non-3D machines.
But GNOME Fallback is going to be dropped soon. And the next GNOME
release, also if it will support a classic session with extensions, is
not suitable in old
On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 23:51 +0100, Stefano Karapetsas wrote:
GNOME Classic is just as featureful and usable as GNOME Shell,
which makes it very suitable for a default desktop on non-3D machines.
But GNOME Fallback is going to be dropped soon. And the next GNOME
release, also if it will
On Nov 23, 2012, at 12:41 AM, Svante Signell svante.sign...@telia.com wrote:
On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 23:51 +0100, Stefano Karapetsas wrote:
GNOME Classic is just as featureful and usable as GNOME Shell,
which makes it very suitable for a default desktop on non-3D machines.
But GNOME Fallback
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:51:06PM +0100, Stefano Karapetsas wrote:
GNOME Classic is just as featureful and usable as GNOME Shell,
which makes it very suitable for a default desktop on non-3D machines.
But GNOME Fallback is going to be dropped soon.
I'm surprised nobody has talked about
On 2012-11-21, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
suspect this is a bug that was fixed eons ago. I'd been meaning to try
Xfce since I make a personal policy of changing desktop environments every
few years -- I used to use GNUstep before GNOME 2 -- so I didn't bother to
pursue it further.)
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:03:33AM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
So much for the general rules... but exceptions ARE possible! And I
just try to make a case here about how important it might be!
IF you had a set of MATE packages all ready to go and you were asking
for a freeze exception for
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:33 +0100
Michael Schmitt tcwardr...@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy
has been frozen time ago and by policy no new packages are allowed in
the archive for testing during the freeze.
So much for the general
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:33 +0100, Michael Schmitt
tcwardr...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez:
AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy
has been frozen time ago and by policy no new packages are allowed in
the archive for
On 21/11/12 04:03, Michael Schmitt wrote:
It may be for you or for some others, but not for all a viable option.
Most definitely not for me, the local and remote folks I asked around
the globe. Don't get me wrong most of them could probably get along
with the fallback mode after some degree of
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 à 04:03 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
Gnome3-classic (fallback) is the option more like to what was gnome2. I
have been using it for a while and is a good option if you want a
desktop like gnome2.
It may be for you or for some others, but not for all a
Am Mittwoch, den 21.11.2012, 14:15 +0100 schrieb Josselin Mouette:
The panel (no free arranging of applets / starters;
This is by design. Please point me to a case where the new layout
mechanism doesn’t answer *real* user needs. OTOH being finally free of
absolute positioning means the end
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 02:15:00PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Don't get me wrong most of them could probably get along
with the fallback mode after some degree of tweaking, but they would
miss A LOT! Some examples? In no particular order: The complete
infrastructure under
Regarding the GNOME vs. MATE etc., please read this recent post from Vincent:
http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2012/11/21/No-fallback-mode-in-GNOME-3.8%2C-future-of-gnome-panel
If people (the MATE people?) step in and maintain adjust the
gnome-panel, we won't have any problem for Jessie.
I will
Please stop top-posting.
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:21:38 +0100
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de wrote:
I kind of insist it being in jessie ;) And yes, that makes another good
point why the gnome3-fallback just can't feel like the real thing. It is
supposed to be for those users that 1.)
Hello!
Neil Williams has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 15:48:
However, if people choose to migrate to XFCE instead of GNOME3, then a
migration to a GNOME2-alike in Jessie isn't as hard but might still not
be wise. Who knows how XFCE will change with a bunch of new users
reporting
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:48:08PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
MATE will not be in Wheezy and staying on Squeeze until Jessie is released is
probably not suitable for most users.
It's quite likely that if MATE packages make it into Debian at all, they
will be provided in backports, so some
Hm, sorry for the lengthy mail.
TL;DR: GNOME Classic is just as featureful and usable as GNOME Shell,
which makes it very suitable for a default desktop on non-3D machines.
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 à 15:21 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a
écrit :
Well, I can confirm Michael's
Am 21.11.2012 03:23, schrieb Russ Allbery:
Michael Schmitttcwardr...@gmail.com writes:
as I see you, as a member of ctte, are kind of in favour of MATE for
jessie and not wheezy... :(
I have no opinion on MATE. I personally switched from GNOME 2 to Xfce on
the one system where I use an
Am 21.11.2012 05:06, schrieb Matt Zagrabelny:
Hi Michael,
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Michael Schmitttcwardr...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez:
On 20/11/12 22:55, Michael Schmitt wrote:
If one likes Gnome2.x or MATE or not is a question of
Am 21.11.2012 09:48, schrieb Jon Dowland:
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:03:33AM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
So much for the general rules... but exceptions ARE possible! And I
just try to make a case here about how important it might be!
IF you had a set of MATE packages all ready to go and you
Am 21.11.2012 10:30, schrieb Neil Williams:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:33 +0100
Michael Schmitttcwardr...@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy
has been frozen time ago and by policy no new packages are allowed in
the archive for testing
Am 21.11.2012 11:19, schrieb Marc Haber:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:33 +0100, Michael Schmitt
tcwardr...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez:
AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy
has been frozen time ago and by policy no
Am 21.11.2012 14:15, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 à 04:03 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
Gnome3-classic (fallback) is the option more like to what was gnome2. I
have been using it for a while and is a good option if you want a
desktop like gnome2.
It may be for you
Le jeudi 22 novembre 2012 à 07:21 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
Now I see how that works for the gnome folks! *lol* Really, if the
general gnome attitude is all complaints are dumb and should be
ignored, what we do is the holly grail then...
Please read
Am 05.11.2012 00:41, schrieb Andrew Kolotenko:
On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 02:57 +0400, Виталий Короневич wrote:
debian gnome-edition - ok
debian kde-edition - ok
debian lxde-edition - ok
debian xfce-edition - ok
when will debian mate-edition?
what for? the ones above are enough imho
For you maybe
Am 05.11.2012 00:41, schrieb Wouter Verhelst:
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 02:57:35AM +0400, Виталий Короневич wrote:
debian gnome-edition - ok
debian kde-edition - ok
debian lxde-edition - ok
debian xfce-edition - ok
when will debian mate-edition?
When someone (you?) does the work to package
or
Fedora's spins. You just install a regular Debian and choose the
desktop enviroment you want.
when will debian mate-edition?
This isn't as easy and straight-forward as you might think. There are
many problems that need to be solved with MATE first before it can
enter Debian. Some of these are discussed
Le mardi 20 novembre 2012 à 18:37 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
One of the biggest problems with MATE so far is that it currently
depends on libraries and other things that have been deprecated and
removed in Debian and should not be reintroduced to Debian.
Can we agree on something
Am 20.11.2012 20:12, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
Le mardi 20 novembre 2012 à 18:37 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
One of the biggest problems with MATE so far is that it currently
depends on libraries and other things that have been deprecated and
removed in Debian and should not be
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:37:48PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
And whatever they or anybody else does in that regard, it will come
to late for wheezy.
All of MATE will come too late for Wheezy. It's already too late for
Wheezy.
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Am 20.11.2012 23:07, schrieb Jon Dowland:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:37:48PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
And whatever they or anybody else does in that regard, it will come
to late for wheezy.
All of MATE will come too late for Wheezy. It's already too late for
Wheezy.
That may be common
On 20/11/12 22:55, Michael Schmitt wrote:
If one likes Gnome2.x or MATE or not is a question of taste, to
acknowledge that many users are just mad about Gnome3 is a fact. To
offer no real sane upgrade-path for those users is... dunno how to say
it in another way, it is just insane! I did
Michael Schmitt tcwardr...@gmail.com writes:
That may be common thinking, agreed. But I am that extremely worried
about the current upgrade solution in wheezy, sorry... I think Debian
should try to get it in.
We are way, way too late in the release process for something that
substantial.
Le mardi 20 novembre 2012 à 23:14 +0100, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez a
écrit :
What bothers me is that gnome3-classic will be deprecated with the next
release of GNOME. I hope that MATE can make into Debian for Jessie.
This is a problem that needs tackling for jessie one way or another.
This
On 20.11.2012 22:27, Russ Allbery wrote:
Michael Schmitt tcwardr...@gmail.com writes:
That may be common thinking, agreed. But I am that extremely worried
about the current upgrade solution in wheezy, sorry... I think
Debian
should try to get it in.
We are way, way too late in the release
Hi Russ,
as I see you, as a member of ctte, are kind of in favour of MATE for
jessie and not wheezy... :(
Am 20.11.2012 23:27, schrieb Russ Allbery:
Michael Schmitttcwardr...@gmail.com writes:
That may be common thinking, agreed. But I am that extremely worried
about the current upgrade
Michael Schmitt tcwardr...@gmail.com writes:
as I see you, as a member of ctte, are kind of in favour of MATE for
jessie and not wheezy... :(
I have no opinion on MATE. I personally switched from GNOME 2 to Xfce on
the one system where I use an integrated desktop when gnome-shell wouldn't
run
Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez:
On 20/11/12 22:55, Michael Schmitt wrote:
If one likes Gnome2.x or MATE or not is a question of taste, to
acknowledge that many users are just mad about Gnome3 is a fact. To
offer no real sane upgrade-path for those users is... dunno how
Hi Michael,
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Michael Schmitt tcwardr...@gmail.com wrote:
Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez:
On 20/11/12 22:55, Michael Schmitt wrote:
If one likes Gnome2.x or MATE or not is a question of taste, to
acknowledge that many users are just
debian gnome-edition - ok
debian kde-edition - ok
debian lxde-edition - ok
debian xfce-edition - ok
when will debian mate-edition?
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 02:57:35AM +0400, Виталий Короневич wrote:
debian gnome-edition - ok
debian kde-edition - ok
debian lxde-edition - ok
debian xfce-edition - ok
when will debian mate-edition?
When someone (you?) does the work to package (the relevant parts of) mate.
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On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 02:57 +0400, Виталий Короневич wrote:
debian gnome-edition - ok
debian kde-edition - ok
debian lxde-edition - ok
debian xfce-edition - ok
when will debian mate-edition?
what for? the ones above are enough imho
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desktop enviroment you want.
when will debian mate-edition?
This isn't as easy and straight-forward as you might think. There are
many problems that need to be solved with MATE first before it can
enter Debian. Some of these are discussed here [1].
One of the biggest problems with MATE so far
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