Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-13 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Joachim, On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:02:27PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 12.03.2014, 18:37 -0300 schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer: Do you (or anyone) know if it repacks the file consistently? I.e. will two developers, who both use uscan to get the

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-13 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Lisandro, On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 07:53:52PM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: it sounded be too good to be true: $ rm ../*tar.gz uscan --download md5sum ../haskell-ekg_0.3.1.4+dfsg.orig.tar.gz haskell-ekg: Newer version (0.3.1.4) available on remote site:

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-13 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 13.03.2014, 14:06 +0100 schrieb Andreas Tille: This would be quite annoying in my usual workflow. I hope you are aware that taring up two byte identical trees usually does not lead to a byte identical tarball. Well, I was hoping that uscan would not simply create new

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-13 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Joachim, On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 02:49:00PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote: I hope you are aware that taring up two byte identical trees usually does not lead to a byte identical tarball. Well, I was hoping that uscan would not simply create new tarballs, but rather removing it from

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-12 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Tuesday 11 March 2014 09:07:43 Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Dienstag, den 11.03.2014, 10:34 +0800 schrieb Paul Wise: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Joachim Breitner wrote: nor mess with tarball repackaging (which I consider ugly, a cludge, and to be avoided if possible)

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 12.03.2014, 18:37 -0300 schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer: Do you (or anyone) know if it repacks the file consistently? I.e. will two developers, who both use uscan to get the original tarball for the same version and with the same File-Excluded get identical

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-12 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:02:27PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 12.03.2014, 18:37 -0300 schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer: Do you (or anyone) know if it repacks the file consistently? I.e. will two developers, who both use uscan to get the original

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-12 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Wednesday 12 March 2014 23:02:27 Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 12.03.2014, 18:37 -0300 schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer: Do you (or anyone) know if it repacks the file consistently? I.e. will two developers, who both use uscan to get the original tarball

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Mike Hommey wrote: I guess it just unpacks, removes and repacks. Which also means it would be quite annoying in my own workflow which involves unpacking/repacking 700MB. The script I'm using now does the filtering on the tar stream itself, without actually

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-12 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 08:06:14AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Mike Hommey wrote: I guess it just unpacks, removes and repacks. Which also means it would be quite annoying in my own workflow which involves unpacking/repacking 700MB. The script I'm using now

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-11 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 11.03.2014, 10:34 +0800 schrieb Paul Wise: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Joachim Breitner wrote: nor mess with tarball repackaging (which I consider ugly, a cludge, and to be avoided if possible) Recent versions of uscan can automatically repack upstream tarballs

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-11 Thread Olivier Berger
Hi. Joachim Breitner nome...@debian.org writes: Hi, I keep discussing the same issues caused by minified JS files (mostly JQuery) in their source tarballs over and over. Could maybe those who care deeply about this write a concise wiki page with all that upstream needs to know about our

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-03-11 03:32:54) Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: I'd suggest an acceptable workaround is to include the source in the debian.tar.gz/diff.gz or to repack the upstream tarball, probably the latter since jQuery is usually an embedded code copy.

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-11 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 11.03.2014, 11:22 +0100 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-03-11 03:32:54) Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: I'd suggest an acceptable workaround is to include the source in the debian.tar.gz/diff.gz or to repack the upstream tarball, probably the

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Joachim Breitner (2014-03-11 11:29:31) Am Dienstag, den 11.03.2014, 11:22 +0100 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-03-11 03:32:54) Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: I'd suggest an acceptable workaround is to include the source in the debian.tar.gz/diff.gz

jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, I keep discussing the same issues caused by minified JS files (mostly JQuery) in their source tarballs over and over. Could maybe those who care deeply about this write a concise wiki page with all that upstream needs to know about our expectations, so that I can point them to it? That page

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Steve M. Robbins
On March 10, 2014 06:27:01 PM Joachim Breitner wrote: Also, am I too pragmatic in suggesting that we should accept non-source files in tarballs if they are legally distributed and not used during the build (especially not included in the binary packages)? I generally take that approach. If

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Marcin Kulisz
On 2014-03-10 13:05:30, Steve M. Robbins wrote: On March 10, 2014 06:27:01 PM Joachim Breitner wrote: Also, am I too pragmatic in suggesting that we should accept non-source files in tarballs if they are legally distributed and not used during the build (especially not included in the

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Philipp Kern
Hi, On 2014-03-10 18:27, Joachim Breitner wrote: I keep discussing the same issues caused by minified JS files (mostly JQuery) in their source tarballs over and over. Could maybe those who care deeply about this write a concise wiki page with all that upstream needs to know about our

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 3:29 AM, Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org wrote: Hi, On 2014-03-10 18:27, Joachim Breitner wrote: I keep discussing the same issues caused by minified JS files (mostly JQuery) in their source tarballs over and over. Could maybe those who care deeply about this write a

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 3:29 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: as long as the code in question is not under a license that requires the full, non-minified source to be reproduced and if the copyright notices and license terms as potentially required by the license are present, I don't see why not. But

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: I'd suggest an acceptable workaround is to include the source in the debian.tar.gz/diff.gz or to repack the upstream tarball, probably the latter since jQuery is usually an embedded code copy. https://wiki.debian.org/EmbeddedCodeCopies Note that we do not

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Joachim Breitner wrote: nor mess with tarball repackaging (which I consider ugly, a cludge, and to be avoided if possible) Recent versions of uscan can automatically repack upstream tarballs to remove files, just include a Files-Excluded line in

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: I think that DFSG item 2 means we have promised not to do this. Also this particular issue is in the reject FAQ. https://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html It would be very helpful if Paul could at this point give a URL to exactly which item he's