Samuel Thibault samuel.thiba...@ens-lyon.org writes:
Giacomo Catenazzi, le Wed 08 Apr 2009 19:47:55 +0200, a écrit :
Samuel Thibault wrote:
I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
(to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
without
Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org writes:
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org writes:
Does grub use the unallocated disk space near the MBR?
Yes. As far as I know, even grub2 does so, but pls. correct me.
So next question: why does windoze installation write to
Samuel Thibault wrote:
Giacomo Catenazzi, le Wed 08 Apr 2009 19:47:55 +0200, a écrit :
Samuel Thibault wrote:
I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
(to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
without capability to rescue something). Also
Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org writes:
Does grub use the unallocated disk space near the MBR?
Yes. As far as I know, even grub2 does so, but pls. correct me.
there was a discussion about poor performance if partitions/
filesystem was not aligned to the physical block sectors.
I also
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org writes:
Does grub use the unallocated disk space near the MBR?
Yes. As far as I know, even grub2 does so, but pls. correct me.
So next question: why does windoze installation write to these block
(but not to MBR)? Ah, ok the
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009, Darren Salt wrote:
For me, lilo works fine as it is. If I see something which affects me, I'll
at least have a look at it; no guarantees, though, since there's a lot of
stuff here with which I'm not familiar.
From memory, lilo doesn't support partitioned md arrays. Since
Nenolod: sorry for the other mail.
William Pitcock wrote:
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:06 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM, William Pitcock
neno...@sacredspiral.co.uk wrote:
Lilo upstream is dead (no release in quite a while), but the lilo
maintainer has also been seen
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
as grub was not really maintained. Also grub2 doesn't seems so fast in
development.
I think these kind of project have difficult to maintain motivated
maintainer.
I would really love to own a computer that used coreboot, Linux and
As the silent co-maintainer of lilo I believe I should now voice my
thoughts on this
I too believe that lilo should belive that lilo should be remove *at
some point* but now is not the time. So I restate my willingness to
take over fully publicly. Upstream made a release of a bootloader in
2007 a
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 11:05 -0400, Matt Arnold wrote:
As the silent co-maintainer of lilo I believe I should now voice my
thoughts on this
I too believe that lilo should belive that lilo should be remove *at
some point* but now is not the time. So I restate my willingness to
take over fully
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 16:22 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
Nenolod: sorry for the other mail.
William Pitcock wrote:
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:06 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM, William Pitcock
neno...@sacredspiral.co.uk wrote:
Lilo upstream is dead (no
No this means I take over the package try to cou ntact upstream etc
and fyi i do know Intel X86 ASM (not well) but i learn fast as you
know. I just think a This package is deprecated and may be removed at
any time clause in the package desc is the best way to go here that
way the people who use it
I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
(to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
without capability to rescue something). Also rescue disk +
reconfiguring + update-grub did nothing.
Err, did you re-run install-grub?
Samuel
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On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:41 -0400, Matt Arnold wrote:
No this means I take over the package try to cou ntact upstream etc
^^
THERE IS NO UPSTREAM ANYMORE. If you're not willing to become upstream
and wish to take it over, then we
Samuel Thibault wrote:
I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
(to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
without capability to rescue something). Also rescue disk +
reconfiguring + update-grub did nothing.
Err, did you re-run
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 11:21:12AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
Does this mean that you will become lilo upstream as well? Are you
*qualified* to become lilo upstream? Do you know assembly language?
(tip: most of the important parts are assembly language.)
If not, then stop talking now.
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:05:43AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 08:53 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:13:32AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
I agree here too. I think these install paths could be replaced by
ext2linux as well, if that is what
Giacomo Catenazzi, le Wed 08 Apr 2009 19:47:55 +0200, a écrit :
Samuel Thibault wrote:
I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
(to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
without capability to rescue something). Also rescue disk +
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:46 +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):
I'm not sure where the original mail comes from, but IMO this should be
From lilo package BTS which I was tracking for l10n purposes. So I
just happened to notice William's answer to a bug
* Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl [2009-04-07 02:54]:
Martin Wuertele wrote:
Actually lilo is installed by lenny d-i if you use root-sw-raid with
LVM, even if your /boot is an differen partition/sw-raid. Therefore lilo
should at least remain for sqeeze to ensure a proper upgrade path.
I'm
Stephen Gran wrote:
This one time, at band camp, William Pitcock said:
The only way it is feasible to do so is to drop all of the Debian
patches. Without this, upstream is not cooperative with us.
Why is this?
I think because of William Pitcock with:
- his very strong words,
- his attitude:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:10:25PM +0200, Iustin Pop wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:42:42AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:19 +0200, Vincent Zweije wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:06:38PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
|| On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:02:04PM
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 22:20 +0100, Stephen Gran wrote:
This one time, at band camp, William Pitcock said:
The only way it is feasible to do so is to drop all of the Debian
patches. Without this, upstream is not cooperative with us.
Why is this?
See my other mail, basically, lilo upstream
Let's move this subthread back to d-boot. Reply-to set.
Please let us know if you'd like to be CCed.
Martin Wuertele wrote:
* Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl [2009-04-07 02:54]:
Martin Wuertele wrote:
Actually lilo is installed by lenny d-i if you use root-sw-raid with
LVM, even if your /boot
Harald Braumann wrote:
* configuration of grub2 is really a PITA
You can't specify boot options per entry (there's only a global option
in /etc/default grub, that applies to all entries).
You may want to check bug 470398. The patch is probably outdated by now, though.
Requiring bug/patch
]] William Pitcock
| Have you looked into ext2linux? It is intended to supercede lilo. I
| think your usage requirements will be satisfied by it.
It does not appear to exist in Debian?
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM, William Pitcock
neno...@sacredspiral.co.uk wrote:
Lilo upstream is dead (no release in quite a while), but the lilo
maintainer has also been seen as saying in various mailing lists etc,
that since Debian patches lilo that he has no interest in helping to fix
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 10:52 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
Stephen Gran wrote:
This one time, at band camp, William Pitcock said:
The only way it is feasible to do so is to drop all of the Debian
patches. Without this, upstream is not cooperative with us.
Why is this?
I think
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:06 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM, William Pitcock
neno...@sacredspiral.co.uk wrote:
Lilo upstream is dead (no release in quite a while), but the lilo
maintainer has also been seen as saying in various mailing lists etc,
that since
William Pitcock neno...@sacredspiral.co.uk (07/04/2009):
Alternatively, we can just leave it and let it become another XMMS. I
don't like this solution very much.
Beware, gtk3 is coming, so you'd better update lilo to no longer depend
on gtk2!
Mraw,
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On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 07:36:40AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:10:25PM +0200, Iustin Pop wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:42:42AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:19 +0200, Vincent Zweije wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:06:38PM +0200,
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:24:54 -0500
William Pitcock neno...@sacredspiral.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 16:17 +0200, Harald Braumann wrote:
Yes, I do and it works without problems. There are some
inconveniences, though, with grub2, which might make some stick
with LILO:
The LVM
I demand that William Pitcock may or may not have written...
[snip]
So at this point, our only option seems to be taking over upstream lilo
maintainance ourselves (which could be a good thing in some ways, I am
not denying that),
I say go for it...
or find a way to transition these
On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
Quoting William Pitcock (neno...@dereferenced.org):
lilo is due for removal anyway due to being unmaintained upstream and
the widespread availability of alternatives.
I think that last part is debatable.
I do not have time to manage the
On Mon Apr 06 08:55, Frans Pop wrote:
This is a heads up mail for the D-I team.
I'm not sure where the original mail comes from, but IMO this should be
discussed on d-devel, especially since it impacts more than just D-I. I
suspect there are quite a few packages that make some sort of
Le Monday 06 April 2009 09:32:14 Matthew Johnson, vous avez écrit :
Don't we have some install paths that still depend on LILO?
Yes: /boot on LVM is the main one.
We _certainly_ shouldn't throw it out if there are _known_ situations
for which it's required.
By all means print large
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
I also use lilo for /boot on LVM and I also clearly remember that was the
major reason for the previous debate about the removal of lilo.
Grub2 in lenny and later contains an lvm module:
/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/lvm.mod
Has anyone who uses
Matthew Johnson mj...@debian.org writes:
On Mon Apr 06 08:55, Frans Pop wrote:
This is a heads up mail for the D-I team.
I'm not sure where the original mail comes from, but IMO this should be
discussed on d-devel, especially since it impacts more than just D-I. I
suspect there are
On Mon Apr 06 11:07, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
So lets get grub2 working everywhere. :) A worthy goal.
Sure, but don't remove lilo until we're happy that grub2 does work
everywhere.
Matt
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Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl writes:
On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
[...]
I do not have time to manage the removal at this point, but it will
be gone by June.
Has the package already been offered for adoption? Preferably with an
overview of its current (upstream)
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:03:10 +0800
Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
I also use lilo for /boot on LVM and I also clearly remember that
was the major reason for the previous debate about the removal of
lilo.
Grub2 in lenny and later
I demand that Otavio Salvador may or may not have written...
Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl writes:
[snip]
Anyone remember the fairly big upset when lilo was removed from testing
around D-I Lenny Beta2?
I also share the feeling that a lot of people still use LILO; if possible
I do belive it
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 16:17 +0200, Harald Braumann wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:03:10 +0800
Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Romain Beauxis wrote:
I also use lilo for /boot on LVM and I also clearly remember that
was the major reason for the previous
Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
Quoting William Pitcock (neno...@dereferenced.org):
lilo is due for removal anyway due to being unmaintained upstream and
the widespread availability of alternatives.
I think that last part is debatable.
I do not have time
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 15:09 +0100, Darren Salt wrote:
I demand that Otavio Salvador may or may not have written...
Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl writes:
[snip]
Anyone remember the fairly big upset when lilo was removed from testing
around D-I Lenny Beta2?
I also share the feeling that
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:24:54AM -0500, William Pitcock
neno...@sacredspiral.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 16:17 +0200, Harald Braumann wrote:
You can't specify boot options per entry (there's only a global option
in /etc/default grub, that applies to all entries).
Sure you can,
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 10:44 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl writes:
On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
[...]
I do not have time to manage the removal at this point, but it will
be gone by June.
Has the package already been offered for
William Pitcock wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 17:26 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
Quoting William Pitcock (neno...@dereferenced.org):
lilo is due for removal anyway due to being unmaintained upstream and
the widespread
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 17:26 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
Quoting William Pitcock (neno...@dereferenced.org):
lilo is due for removal anyway due to being unmaintained upstream and
the widespread availability of
OS I also share the feeling that a lot of people still uses LILO; if
OS possible I do belive it should be kept.
I use lilo, I like lilo.
I don't like grub because it has unlogically config, unlogically
behavior, strange reconfig-system. I don't like the programs with
perverse intellect. Grub is
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:02:04PM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov un...@debian.org
wrote:
OS I also share the feeling that a lot of people still uses LILO; if
OS possible I do belive it should be kept.
I use lilo, I like lilo.
I don't like grub because it has unlogically config, unlogically
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 17:40 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
William Pitcock wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 17:26 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
Frans Pop wrote:
On Monday 06 April 2009, Christian Perrier wrote:
Quoting William Pitcock (neno...@dereferenced.org):
lilo is due for
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:06:38PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
|| On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:02:04PM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov
un...@debian.org wrote:
|| I use lilo, I like lilo.
|| I don't like grub because it has unlogically config, unlogically
|| behavior, strange reconfig-system. I
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:06 +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:02:04PM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov
un...@debian.org wrote:
OS I also share the feeling that a lot of people still uses LILO; if
OS possible I do belive it should be kept.
I use lilo, I like lilo.
I don't
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:19 +0200, Vincent Zweije wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:06:38PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
|| On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:02:04PM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov
un...@debian.org wrote:
|| I use lilo, I like lilo.
|| I don't like grub because it has unlogically
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):
I'm not sure where the original mail comes from, but IMO this should be
From lilo package BTS which I was tracking for l10n purposes. So I
just happened to notice William's answer to a bug report and thought
it would be good for this to be discussed in
* William Pitcock neno...@dereferenced.org [2009-04-06 17:48]:
chainloader will work with lilo, but lilo is only kept around for the
people who are crazy and booting off LVMs as it is.
Booting off LVMs is supported directly by grub2 and ext2linux could
probably be modified to support it in a
WP No, the answer is always the second one.
If they add a scheduler (why not? :-\) into the
grub it will be become Linux.
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I demand that William Pitcock may or may not have written...
[snip]
Have you looked into ext2linux? It is intended to supercede lilo. I think
your usage requirements will be satisfied by it.
No; I've not heard of it before.
And I can't find it, at least not reasonably easily... :-|
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On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:42:42AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:19 +0200, Vincent Zweije wrote:
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:06:38PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
|| On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:02:04PM +0400, Dmitry E. Oboukhov
un...@debian.org wrote:
|| I use
This one time, at band camp, Paul Wise said:
Grub2 in lenny and later contains an lvm module:
/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/lvm.mod
Has anyone who uses lilo for this tried grub2?
hadrian:~# mount
/dev/mapper/HADRIAN-ROOT on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type
This one time, at band camp, William Pitcock said:
The only way it is feasible to do so is to drop all of the Debian
patches. Without this, upstream is not cooperative with us.
Why is this?
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Martin Wuertele wrote:
Actually lilo is installed by lenny d-i if you use root-sw-raid with
LVM, even if your /boot is an differen partition/sw-raid. Therefore lilo
should at least remain for sqeeze to ensure a proper upgrade path.
I'm afraid you're mistaken here. Lenny D-I should (and AFAIK
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009, Matthew Johnson wrote:
On Mon Apr 06 11:07, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
So lets get grub2 working everywhere. :) A worthy goal.
Sure, but don't remove lilo until we're happy that grub2 does work
everywhere.
And that we have something resembling acceptable, up-to-date
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