On 2012-09-18 13:15, Agustin Martin wrote:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 09:53:37AM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
ilithuanian_1.2.1-3
/var/lib/ispell/lietuviu.hash
/var/lib/ispell/lietuviu.compat
aspell-kk_0.2-1
/var/lib/aspell/kk.compat
/var/lib/aspell/kk.rws
I guess this is harmless
Nicholas Bamber wrote:
Moreover as I understand it the version of piuparts that runs these
tests is not yet in sid. Surely it is unreasonable to expect people to
fix these bugs - in the middle of a freeze no less - without this tool.
Doesn't debsums catch it?
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I think it would be worth asking the release team about this. Fixing
them all might well take a while. These bugs were all presumably in
squeeze and if there are many of them delaying wheezy doesn't make
sense.
Moreover as I understand it the version of piuparts that runs these
tests is not
I demand that Andreas Beckmann may or may not have written...
[snip]
xine-ui_0.99.7-1
/var/lib/xine/xine.desktop
These seem to be some state/registry/... files that are updated during
postinst.
That and gxine.desktop (at least) are updated then because the list of
supported MIME types may
On 23.09.2012 19:21, Darren Salt wrote:
I demand that Andreas Beckmann may or may not have written...
[snip]
xine-ui_0.99.7-1
/var/lib/xine/xine.desktop
These seem to be some state/registry/... files that are updated during
postinst.
That and gxine.desktop (at least) are updated
On 09/20/2012 12:25 AM, Philipp Kern wrote:
I've never seen somebody starting to use conffile when he really meant
configuration file.
I've never seen it either.
But I've seen many instances of the following:
- A knowledgeable DD write about conffiles
- a newbie writing yes but my
On 2012-09-18 09:53, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
mirror_2.9-62
/usr/share/doc/mirror/mirror.txt.gz
/usr/share/doc/mirror/html/mirror-ref.html
/usr/share/mirror/mirror.pl
/usr/share/mirror/dateconv.pl
/usr/share/mirror/lchat.pl
/usr/share/mirror/lsparse.pl
/usr/share/mirror/ftp.pl
* Andreas Beckmann deb...@abeckmann.de, 2012-09-21, 14:30:
mirror_2.9-62
/usr/share/doc/mirror/mirror.txt.gz
/usr/share/doc/mirror/html/mirror-ref.html
/usr/share/mirror/mirror.pl
/usr/share/mirror/dateconv.pl
/usr/share/mirror/lchat.pl
/usr/share/mirror/lsparse.pl
Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes:
Really? I didn't read the license, but either it's not neccessary, or
it's a DFSG§4 violation: “The license must explicitly permit
distribution of software built from modified source code.”
I'm not sure why mirror is still doing this, given the
On 2012-09-18 09:30, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
Just to give a short impression what we can find here:
guile-1.6-dev_1.6.8-10.1
/usr/lib/libguile-ltdl.la
/usr/lib/libguile.la
/usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-1.la
/usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-1.la
Hi,
here is my proposed bug template for reporting conffile manipulation.
That will cover the majority of these bugs. Non-conffile manipulation
may need some more analysis and discussion.
If noone objects, I'll go ahead with filing these bugs with Severity:
serious since this is a violation of a
Hi Andreas,
thanks for your work on this, again! :-)
On Mittwoch, 19. September 2012, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
= 8 =
To: sub...@bugs.debian.org
Subject: modifies conffiles (policy 10.7.3):
I miss one sentence in this mail template: Please see the attached log for
details. :-)
On 09/17/2012 10:03 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Sep 17, Bernd Zeimetzbe...@bzed.de wrote:
To cite http://release.debian.org/wheezy/rc_policy.txt:
Packages' /etc/default scripts must be treated as configuration files.
Which are not the same things as conffiles.
I of course agree with Marco.
On 19.09.2012 08:44, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
If noone objects, I'll go ahead with filing these bugs with Severity:
serious since this is a violation of a must directive.
Do we have an idea of how many such bugs there are affecting wheezy
currently? Apologies if that was answered earlier in
On 17/09/2012 13:10, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 09/17/2012 12:49 PM, Philipp Kern wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:59:44AM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 09/17/2012 11:56 AM, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
Modifying conffiles is forbidden by policy 10.7.3
Well, conffiles are sometimes modified due to
]] Jean-Christophe Dubacq
And this means that automatic management is hard, because they are
generated by scripts, and as such, not easy to store, compare to
default, etc.
«default» doesn't really make any sense when it's a template that's
filled in by debconf/maintainer scripts.
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On 12-09-19 at 05:27pm, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Jean-Christophe Dubacq
And this means that automatic management is hard, because they are
generated by scripts, and as such, not easy to store, compare to
default, etc.
«default» doesn't really make any sense when it's a template
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 09:24:00PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
[ conffiles being confusing ]
Anyone with a better idea?
It's in NM 101 and it's only used as a shorthand if dpkg conffiles are
meant. That others are unable to parse it, well, they could look it up
on the internets and find buxy's
* Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org, 2012-09-19, 18:25:
I've never seen somebody starting to use conffile when he really
meant configuration file.
Obviously you don't hang out at #debian-mentors. ;)
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On 19/09/2012 17:52, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On 12-09-19 at 05:27pm, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]] Jean-Christophe Dubacq
And this means that automatic management is hard, because they are
generated by scripts, and as such, not easy to store, compare to
default, etc.
«default» doesn't
Just to give a short impression what we can find here:
uim-canna_1:1.8.1-2, uim-prime_1:1.8.1-2
/etc/uim/installed-modules.scm
/etc/uim/loader.scm
mono-xsp2_2.10-2.1
/etc/default/mono-xsp2
mirror_2.9-62
/usr/share/doc/mirror/mirror.txt.gz
/usr/share/doc/mirror/html/mirror-ref.html
On 2012-09-18 09:30, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
Just to give a short impression what we can find here:
and some more
bts, that's output from debsums -a -c, so the files listed have
a md5sum mismatch (or are missing if noted)
ilithuanian_1.2.1-3
/var/lib/ispell/lietuviu.hash
Andreas Beckmann writes (mass bug filing about packages manipulating/deleting
shipped files):
So far I have seen these problems:
* package modifies a conffile it ships
* package modifies a non-conffile it ships
* package deletes a (conf)file it ships
* (maybe all these bad things on files
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 09:53:37AM +0200, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
On 2012-09-18 09:30, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
Just to give a short impression what we can find here:
and some more
bts, that's output from debsums -a -c, so the files listed have
a md5sum mismatch (or are missing if noted)
Hi,
another recent addition to piuparts is running debsums to see whether
shipped files are being incorrectly modified. This feature is in a
experimental stage and not available in the git repository, yet.
So far I have seen these problems:
* package modifies a conffile it ships
* package
On 09/17/2012 11:56 AM, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
Modifying conffiles is forbidden by policy 10.7.3
Well, conffiles are sometimes modified due to the result of asking
questions with debconf - at least the md5sum might change, although the
content stays the same with debconf priority=high. Are you
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:59:44AM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 09/17/2012 11:56 AM, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
Modifying conffiles is forbidden by policy 10.7.3
Well, conffiles are sometimes modified due to the result of asking
questions with debconf - at least the md5sum might change,
On 09/17/2012 12:49 PM, Philipp Kern wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:59:44AM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 09/17/2012 11:56 AM, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
Modifying conffiles is forbidden by policy 10.7.3
Well, conffiles are sometimes modified due to the result of asking
questions with
On Sep 17, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote:
So we shall drop things like automatic configuration of postfix? It
actually even asks the user if the config file should be modified. That
is just one example of a lot others that jump into my mind.
/etc/postfix/{main,master}.cf are not conffiles,
On 2012-09-17 13:10, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
So we shall drop things like automatic configuration of postfix? It
actually even asks the user if the config file should be modified. That
is just one example of a lot others that jump into my mind.
It's perfectly fine to do this on configuration
On 09/17/2012 01:18 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Sep 17, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote:
So we shall drop things like automatic configuration of postfix? It
actually even asks the user if the config file should be modified. That
is just one example of a lot others that jump into my mind.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 01:24:51PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
Oh well yes, bad example. We still have a lot of packages which modify
/etc/default/* with debconf. Portmap, sysstat, ... - and they are
supposed to be conffiles - [...]
Why are they supposed to be conffiles? It's fine for them to
On 09/17/2012 05:56 PM, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
Hi,
another recent addition to piuparts is running debsums to see whether
shipped files are being incorrectly modified. This feature is in a
experimental stage and not available in the git repository, yet.
So far I have seen these problems:
*
On 09/17/2012 01:57 PM, Philipp Kern wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 01:24:51PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
Oh well yes, bad example. We still have a lot of packages which modify
/etc/default/* with debconf. Portmap, sysstat, ... - and they are
supposed to be conffiles - [...]
Why are they
On Sep 17, Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote:
To cite http://release.debian.org/wheezy/rc_policy.txt:
Packages' /etc/default scripts must be treated as configuration files.
Which are not the same things as conffiles.
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Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de wrote:
On 09/17/2012 12:49 PM, Philipp Kern wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:59:44AM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 09/17/2012 11:56 AM, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
Modifying conffiles is forbidden by policy 10.7.3
Well,
On 2012-09-17 15:40, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Very nice. Did you run this archive wide?
Archive wide test is currently running in my local piuparts instance.
This may still take some time until all packages have been retested.
Can I see your log file?
Unfortunately my piuparts instance is not
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